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    Re: Iraqi jihadists order genital mutilation of all women

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    Well.........I am sorry............it sounds like Hobsons choice to me.
    And to me, Bruv.

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    Re: Iraqi jihadists order genital mutilation of all women

    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    This story came from the United Nations & was reported by reputable press.
    It came from a UN spokesman and has been repeated in MSM, which doesn't count for a hill of beans anymore! It has long been discredited, so there's no point in arguing the details. I think a tipoff should have been when ISIS spokesmen denied it...this being an organization that admits and even brags about beheadings and severing limbs of thieves! I mentioned previously that female genital mutilation is a cultural practice that might have been Islamized if it had been adopted early and widely throughout the Muslim World; but it remained isolated in pockets of East Africa, and has been practiced in tribal groups that include Christian and Animist.

    I think a general rule has to be applied to MSM that their news has to be treated as suspect until it can be confirmed by more than one "original" source...and that doesn't include the same source...like "Curveball," the source of the Saddam WMD stories being recycled back and forth between the Whitehouse and their favorite MSM mouthpieces.

    On that topic, one of the primary reasons why so called respectable news sources like the New York Times and Washington Post can no longer be trusted anymore, is because they have followed a clear policy of exiling reporters who actually do their job and break stories that their government sources and friends in Washington don't want the public to know about/ while the liars and idiots who either make up their stories or embellish them even after they know that they are false (Judith Miller at the Times) fail upward...just like their political friends in Washington! We had another taste of this when Seymour Hersh discovered that the Administration - through John Kerry, was presenting a false case claiming proof that the Syrian government was behind the poison gas attack a couple of years ago. More recently, there is nothing to confirm whether the downed Malaysian airplane was hit by a ground-to-air missile (as Obama repeats over and over) or was hit by an air-to-air missile, as some Russian Government officials claim is a possibility...claiming that they have proof through radar images that a Ukrainian fighter came in close proximity to the plane. And, when it comes to the MSM repeating a story from a mid-level UN official...that hardly counts as proof of anything anymore!

    If it is a hoax, I'm happy to know that. If it is propaganda, it was not deliberately spread with bad intent by me. This thread did lead to talk about FGM, & anxious, irritable men took it over for their own propaganda purposes (LOL, I Swear!).
    Yes, but like I said previously, there are real FGM issues to deal with, why base it on one that is likely part of another scam to justify another invasion or moving back into the Iraq War again?

    I don't appreciate the addition of circumcision into this issue, which constantly gets tossed in every single time I see an FGM story anywhere on a news thread that allows comments! It trivializes an issue that is not only excruciating, but extremely dangerous for young women. Circumcised male babies face far fewer complications that can be balanced out by the health benefits to males later in life....all I know is I don't miss my foreskin!

    It can be said with certainty that Isis (there are enough links supporting this) is causing havoc in Iraq's Christian communities, who are suffering forced conversions, seizure of property, & Death threats. With such behavior, propaganda about FGM is not far-fetched.
    I don't know if you are aware of this...because it was rarely reported early on in the Iraq War...but U.S. forces stood by and did nothing while more than a million of Iraq's large Christian populations went into exile early on when the Shia/Sunni conflicts and terrorist attacks were ongoing. The original Al-Qaeda in Iraq specifically targeted Christians, while the Shias who were rising to positions of power, felt no desire to protect them...as the Christians had been a large segment of the Baath Party, the military and the civil service under Saddam...another one of those stories rarely mentioned in the west, because they were still trying to build their Saddam-is-Hitler story.

    It's going to be hard to protect Iraq's remaining Christians, because the few news sources that are actually covering their plight (I did hear a segment on the CBC radio show "The Current" this weekend about them), have noted that the remaining Christians are the poorest ones with little or no money to travel. Many from Mosul (the Iraq hq of ISIS) have found refuge in the Kurdish territories in the north, along with the other fringe Islamic sects that are declared heretics by the Sunni and Shia majorities. To me, it sounds like it would be one more situation where western interests motivated by oil and disguised as humanitarian efforts, would likely create more harm than good through ignorance and hubris...but that would follow the pattern of events since overthrowing Saddam I suppose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by High Threshold View Post
    It's a sad state of affairs. Who killed the labia? It comes as no surprise ... it's the Americans again. Here's my personal view.

    Playboy magazine was at the forefront of general-use “Girlie” publications. They began photographing women in full bodied swimsuits, BUT WOW exposing their bare legs!!! Whew! Playboy pushed the limits further and further until they hit a brick wall: Pubic hair and labia. Both had to go if Playboy wanted to publicize women completely dis-robed. So off they came!

    The common woman, it seems, gets her beauty inspiration from magazines so now it's a full shave and an elective labiaectomy . Too bad! There's nothing quite as exciting as the untampered female body.
    Ummm, it didn't show much really...but the big scandal with that original issue of Playboy was a Marilyn Monroe nude centerfold. The chronology of men's mags that I recall from about 1970 onward was that they showed pubic hair/but airbrushed out genitalia. I think it was Hustler - Larry Flynt's magazine that became the first to feature the real thing...and that's why Hustler could not be sold over the counter where I was back in the early 70's.

    When it comes to shaving....this is difficult to discuss without turning hardcore, but back then getting a mouthfull of pubes was part of the price you paid when you were going to reciprocate when it came to oral sex. I think the trend that went beyond trimming to shaving got started some time after I was married...had young kids running around the house...and wasn't paying attention to the porn market, because by the time I became aware of this trend, it seemed to have already become the standard of the porn industry. I suspect that guys watching porn started wanting the women in their lives to shave too, just as they try to talk them into doing anything and everything they see in porn....remember how there was no anal sex at all in the days of the old 8mm stag movies...now it's become standard...but, I still avoided the trend anyway. I doubt many women say to their guys:"take me through the back door!" I'm sure it starts with the guy, and that starts with what he learns from porn in modern consumer society.

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    Re: Iraqi jihadists order genital mutilation of all women

    I think "forced" is being used in this context as a synonym for "put under pressure". I don't think the word ever warrants such usage.
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    Re: Iraqi jihadists order genital mutilation of all women

    Quote Originally Posted by Týr View Post
    I think "forced" is being used in this context as a synonym for "put under pressure". I don't think the word ever warrants such usage.
    I warned you I'm kind of out of it, BUT...........when your life is at stake, Forced is the only word. Not that I've read the last few posts or anything.

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    Re: Iraqi jihadists order genital mutilation of all women

    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    I warned you I'm kind of out of it, BUT...........when your life is at stake, Forced is the only word. Not that I've read the last few posts or anything.
    The thread makes it clear ISIS offers various alternatives, of which conversion to Islam is only one.
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    Re: Iraqi jihadists order genital mutilation of all women

    Sorry R.C. I just can't concentrate enough to make any sense right now & that's brave for me to say, IMO.

    However.....for me, credibility was lost during the W. Bush Iraq wars when the print & television news were more involved with being embedded with the military and exchanged any truth for that privilege. There was no critical thinking by the press during the Iraqi invasion, none that I can recall. It was all swallowed whole. The lies by those involved have never been punished in any way, & no one in the press has called for their heads. Please don't forget Rupert Murdoch's Empire in all this. They just make stuff up, period. There's no effort at all to investigate or stray into truth.

    The Bosnia/Serbia thingy involved Christians persecuting Muslims. I don't recall seeing any Arab or Muslim state rushing to defend them either. I guess we all suck, to make a long story short.

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    Re: Iraqi jihadists order genital mutilation of all women

    Quote Originally Posted by Týr View Post
    The thread makes it clear ISIS offers various alternatives, of which conversion to Islam is only one.
    Some choices. And this has been going on for centuries.
    1. Pay us lots of money and we may not bother you for a while (at least until your money runs out)
    2. Pack up and leave the home of your ancestors and try to find a home somewhere else
    3. Convert to our religion
    4. We will kill you. (Maybe torture you, and THEN kill you. we'll see.)

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    Re: Iraqi jihadists order genital mutilation of all women

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    Some choices. And this has been going on for centuries.
    1. Pay us lots of money and we may not bother you for a while (at least until your money runs out)
    2. Pack up and leave the home of your ancestors and try to find a home somewhere else
    3. Convert to our religion
    4. We will kill you. (Maybe torture you, and THEN kill you. we'll see.)

    Want Fries with that?
    I thought we'd made it clear that every major monotheistic religion, with the single exception of the Mormons, has done exactly the same in the past, except only Islam has allowed the humane choice of heavier taxation.

    Where does the reference to torture come from? I don't recall that being part of the deal since the hyenas of the Roman Catholic church were finally obliged to stop using it... umm - relevant Wikipedia quote time?
    Legal basis for some inquisitorial activity came from Pope Innocent IV's papal bull Ad extirpanda of 1252, which explicitly authorized (and defined the appropriate circumstances for) the use of torture by the Inquisition for eliciting confessions from heretics. By 1256 inquisitors were given absolution if they used instruments of torture.
    At a guess they stopped around 1958.
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    Re: Iraqi jihadists order genital mutilation of all women

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    Quote Originally Posted by Týr View Post
    I thought we'd made it clear that every major monotheistic religion, with the single exception of the Mormons, has done exactly the same in the past, except only Islam has allowed the humane choice of heavier taxation.

    Where does the reference to torture come from? I don't recall that being part of the deal since the hyenas of the Roman Catholic church were finally obliged to stop using it... umm - relevant Wikipedia quote time?
    Legal basis for some inquisitorial activity came from Pope Innocent IV's papal bull Ad extirpanda of 1252, which explicitly authorized (and defined the appropriate circumstances for) the use of torture by the Inquisition for eliciting confessions from heretics. By 1256 inquisitors were given absolution if they used instruments of torture.
    At a guess they stopped around 1958.
    I was including "every major monotheistic religion" in my comment. This kind of thing has been going on since at least the fall of the Roman Empire, if not long before, and I am not sure it was even limited to monotheistic religions.And, BTW, even the Mormons had their moments.
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