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    Re: The 10 Commandments are Done Away.

    Quotes of witnesses to the event (regardless of how corrupted they may become through translation & interpretation) is one thing, but quotes made of things said when no-one else is there proves the whole thing to be utter fiction. For example - The Temptation of Christ. There's Jesus & Satan, out in the Wilderness alone together having a chat, yet everything they said to each other is carefully transcribed. Who by? This happens even from the very outset of the Bible - "And God said 'Let Ther Be Light'. He kept looking upon things & seeing that they were good (and then goes adding to it all because he didn't get it right the first time). Once again, says who? He hadn't supposedly even created the first person by this time, yet the Bible records in precise detail everything he thought, did & said (obviously talking to himself - what would be the point of saying anything? What would be the point of any communication skills if there was only one God?). Plus it records the order in which things were done. Then, the only answer to these fundamental questions by those who attempt to defend its credibility is that "he made it all known to his prophets", or whoever. What utter twaddle. Imagine a statement like that standing up in a court of law. These are not isolated incidents. They are found consistently throughout the Bible on practically every page, yet we are expected to accept all this at face value.

    Jesus was a philosopher & an everyday mortal human being. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    The title of this thread is a lie.
    You cannot be a follower of Christ, and ignore the Ten Commandments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    The title of this thread is a lie.
    You cannot be a follower of Christ, and ignore the Ten Commandments.
    Larsmac, I use to go to the 7th day Adventist church and bought into all the junk you have bought into and probably more, but then I couldn't rectify my belief at all to the person of Jesus.


    Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
    Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
    Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
    Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
    Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
    Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
    Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


    It is funny that Hebrews above references the verses below:


    Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
    Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
    Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.



    Now lets go back to 2 Corinthians 3 and reread it and ask a few questions:


    2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
    2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
    2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
    2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
    2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
    2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

    What kills? The Letter. What letter? The letters written and engraved in stones: the 10 commandments.
    What is the ministration of death, which was written and engraved in stones? The 10 commandments. What was glorious which glory was to be done away? The 10 commandments. What is the ministration of condemnation? The 10 commandments. What is done away which was glorious? the 10 commandments. All the answers to each of the questions in this paragraph are clearly laid out in the verses above.

    I have kids and telling a person THOU SHALT NOT, over and over, doesn't empower a person and tell them how to live, it only has the power to condemn them. The 10 commandments was the weightiest part of the law and it is not empowering, it is condemning. You want condemnation? Live by the 10 commandments. You want to heal yourself and the world? Live by the teachings of Jesus on loving yourself and your enemies, forgiveness, doing good to those who hate you, not embracing materialism but caring only for living right before God, and seeking His mercy by showing it to others. The law is about judging others not empowering them and if you feel you have a right to enforce punishment upon others I feel sorry for you.

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    Re: The 10 Commandments are Done Away.

    Quote Originally Posted by sheep View Post
    Larsmac, I use to go to the 7th day Adventist church and bought into all the junk you have bought into and probably more, but then I couldn't rectify my belief at all to the person of Jesus.


    Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
    Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
    Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
    Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
    Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
    Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
    Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


    It is funny that Hebrews above references the verses below:


    Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
    Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
    Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.



    Now lets go back to 2 Corinthians 3 and reread it and ask a few questions:


    2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
    2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
    2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
    2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
    2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
    2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

    What kills? The Letter. What letter? The letters written and engraved in stones: the 10 commandments.
    What is the ministration of death, which was written and engraved in stones? The 10 commandments. What was glorious which glory was to be done away? The 10 commandments. What is the ministration of condemnation? The 10 commandments. What is done away which was glorious? the 10 commandments. All the answers to each of the questions in this paragraph are clearly laid out in the verses above.

    I have kids and telling a person THOU SHALT NOT, over and over, doesn't empower a person and tell them how to live, it only has the power to condemn them. The 10 commandments was the weightiest part of the law and it is not empowering, it is condemning. You want condemnation? Live by the 10 commandments. You want to heal yourself and the world? Live by the teachings of Jesus on loving yourself and your enemies, forgiveness, doing good to those who hate you, not embracing materialism but caring only for living right before God, and seeking His mercy by showing it to others. The law is about judging others not empowering them and if you feel you have a right to enforce punishment upon others I feel sorry for you.
    What the Heck are you going on about?

    So you tell your kids it is OK to Lie, kill, steal, cheat on your spouse, hate your parents and hate your god, as long as you do it for love?
    It's nothing to do with judging other people, it is about how you treat other people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    What the Heck are you going on about?

    So you tell your kids it is OK to Lie, kill, steal, cheat on your spouse, hate your parents and hate your god, as long as you do it for love?
    It's nothing to do with judging other people, it is about how you treat other people.
    Have you never read the teachings of Christ? Jesus teaches to Love your enemies: can you kill someone you have emotional affection for and that you value equal to yourself? Jesus taught not to value material goods: so why steal things you don't value? Do you have to be told it is wrong to do harm to others? Doesn't your spirit tell you it is wrong? Do you know how to hear what your spirit is telling you? Doesn't everything in your inner being speak to good and against bad? Isn't peace, or a lack thereof, the guiding light within a man's spirit?

    Thef law cannot enable you to live right. Those who live by the law will die by the law. Those who live by grace, mercy, compassion and forgiveness, will find it lavished upon them. You can embrace condemnation in the DON'TS of the law; I will choose to embrace the healing power of compassion, which is found through being focused on loving others and showing compassion.

    Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
    Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
    Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

    It is this rest that a person embracing the teachings of Christ finds, which the law cannot offer. You have no rest because you feel you have a right to see others punished for their wrongs and you fail to see that such a person will not find God's mercy, nor rest for their soul. People who embrace Christ don't need law, they don't have a desire to do harm or bad towards others: how is it that you cannot understand that the law is redundant for one that embraces the teachings of Christ: unless you fail to do just that?

    Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

    Jesus is saying the only way you will know the truth of his teachings is if you know them from experience. How can a person not know the truth of what I am talking about, unless they have failed to know it from experience?

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    All I have to say is that you presume much about me, and you are wrong, both in your presumptions about me, and pretty much everything you have come up with in this thread.
    I have seen some interesting interpretations of the Bible in my sixty-odd years of being around, but you, sir, take the cake.

    I will close, and leave you with a few simple thoughts.
    Matthew 4:4 "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
    And I suggest you read Matthew 5 again, paying particular attention to verses 18-22.

    No, my dear sir, His point is that you are to be the judge of yourself, rather than the judge of others.

    The Law of God is forever. It is the laws of men that shall one day be no more.

    The problem with interpreting the Bible is remembering which is which.

    I am finished with this. Thank you and God Bless you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    All I have to say is that you presume much about me, and you are wrong, both in your presumptions about me, and pretty much everything you have come up with in this thread.
    I have seen some interesting interpretations of the Bible in my sixty-odd years of being around, but you, sir, take the cake.

    I will close, and leave you with a few simple thoughts.
    Matthew 4:4 "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
    And I suggest you read Matthew 5 again, paying particular attention to verses 18-22.

    No, my dear sir, His point is that you are to be the judge of yourself, rather than the judge of others.

    The Law of God is forever. It is the laws of men that shall one day be no more.

    The problem with interpreting the Bible is remembering which is which.

    I am finished with this. Thank you and God Bless you.


    Why stop at verse 22? it is in the next few verses that we see the raising of the standards from the Don'ts of the law, being changed to the Dos of Christ. And why just mention one of the laws of the 10 commandments, when Jesus changes the standards of a few other laws and raises those standards also, in chapter 5.

    When reading verse 19 you should pay particular focus on the word "these" and ask yourself why Jesus doesn't use the word "the" there: if he is referring to the old covenant 10 commandments or law. And in case anyone is wondering, the use of the word "these" is not a filler word, nor could it have been translated "the", from the Greek text.


    Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
    Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
    Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
    Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
    Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
    Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
    Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
    Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
    Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
    Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
    Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
    Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
    Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
    Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
    Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
    Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
    Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
    Mat 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
    Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
    Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
    Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
    Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
    Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
    Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
    Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
    Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
    Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
    Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
    Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
    Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


    The law and commandments Jesus is referring to, in the verses you are mentioning, are not the old covenant laws but the new covenant laws: His words; loving your enemies is a commandment: you cannot do harm to one you love. Jesus' teachings are all about defusing bad energy in oneself to cause them to only do good. If you have bad in your heart you are not embracing the teachings of Christ and if you search the teachings of Christ and embrace them they will defuse the bad energy in your heart to replace it with love and affection towards the one whom you are irritated by and thus you shall see the irritation dissolve and learn to love instead of hate. Doing harm to others is never justifiable: but when knowingly done it is the result of justifying the evil in ones heart; It is the bad feelings of ones heart that need to be changed and replaced with love: to stay/stop evil. And that is what Jesus' teachings are all about and where the Old Covenant Law failed.

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    Lars: "I am finished with this. Thank you and God Bless you."

    Weird. That's how Mickiel would end a discussion he no longer wanted to participate in, except I think he ended with 'Go in Peace' or somesuch.

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    PS, Lars: I think M. said "Peace on your Journey"............I don't want to look it up, that just popped in my head.

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