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    Re: I just had an odd thought.

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    Of all of the prominent figures of WW II very few were actually in a healthy state.

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    Re: I just had an odd thought.

    Far too many willful lies are told about people in the public eye.

    A reliable refutation of Churchill's alleged but unfounded alcoholism can be found at Drunk and Ugly: The Rumor Mill

    I can happily believe the well-attested tale relating to Bessie Braddock - "Winston, you are drunk, and what's more you are disgustingly drunk" - but the fact that she said it is very little evidence that her allegation was true, even on that occasion.

    As for familial neuro-syphilis, it's scarcely a genetic trait. His father was one of the vilest Victorians ever to grace the House of Commons and became, over the years, one of its most disreputably insane members, but I don't think one can reasonably hold that against the wartime Prime Minister.

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    Re: I just had an odd thought.

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    Is this a comment on medical advancement ?
    I didn't mean it to be. I am beginning to wonder though if madness (in one form or another) is required to even want to rule a nation.

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    Re: I just had an odd thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by FG View Post
    Far too many willful lies are told about people in the public eye.

    A reliable refutation of Churchill's alleged but unfounded alcoholism can be found at Drunk and Ugly: The Rumor Mill

    I can happily believe the well-attested tale relating to Bessie Braddock - "Winston, you are drunk, and what's more you are disgustingly drunk" - but the fact that she said it is very little evidence that her allegation was true, even on that occasion.

    As for familial neuro-syphilis, it's scarcely a genetic trait. His father was one of the vilest Victorians ever to grace the House of Commons and became, over the years, one of its most disreputably insane members, but I don't think one can reasonably hold that against the wartime Prime Minister.
    I haven't said a word on alcoholism (Churchill) but about his mental illness, he himself referred to it as his “Black Dog” so I'm guessing there's some truth in it.

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    Re: I just had an odd thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by High Threshold View Post
    I didn't mean it to be. I am beginning to wonder though if madness (in one form or another) is required to even want to rule a nation.
    My own theory about anyone that aspires to be Famous either as a performer or Politician is that they are.......strange....not mad, but definitely different than most other people. Of course there are many high profile people that most surely are a bit loopy.
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    Re: I just had an odd thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by FG View Post
    I can happily believe the well-attested tale relating to Bessie Braddock - "Winston, you are drunk, and what's more you are disgustingly drunk" - but the fact that she said it is very little evidence that her allegation was true, even on that occasion.
    Isn't that the one to which his reply was something like, "Yes Madam, and you're ugly, but in the morning I'll be sober".

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    Re: I just had an odd thought.

    Did he?

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    Re: I just had an odd thought.

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    Sorry, you didn't finish your sentence. What exactly happened while he was standing in his field? Was there a bombing raid or was he under parachute barrage? Tell you the truth I'm not all that certain he was prominent enough to qualify. We could put it to the vote if you like?
    He is more then prominent enough .. and all his comrades as well ...
    They might not have a huge title or a huge pocket book ...
    They have pride and dignity ...I am sure lots of them had poor health as well ..
    Most prominent people sit in a great huge office .. get all credit for work other people have done ..

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    Surely someone standing in a field would qualify as a Scarecrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    Isn't that the one to which his reply was something like, "Yes Madam, and you're ugly, but in the morning I'll be sober".
    Yes indeed, I believe it was, and it just goes to show that he still had the wit to make a quick retort even whilst drunk !

    Churchill suffered from depression from time to time, which is hardly surprising, given his situation and responsibility.

    Another thing that is not widely known is that Winston Churchill always carried a hand gun, whilst he was the wartime Prime Minister - he was a marksman.
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