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    Project "Black Sun":experiments in anti-gravity?

    Whilst casually looking around online,I discovered some very interesting sites (some were German!) detailing German exploration and comprehensive aerial photo-mapping of a large part of Antarctica, called by us Queen Maud's Land, Neuschwabia by the Germans, in 1938. Two Dornier seaplanes, " Passat" and "Borealis" took thousands of reconnaissance photos of the entire region.
    After a year or so, rumours began to circulate of an "uber-secret" base in "Neuschwabia" (Base 211),dedicated to advanced propulsion techniques;Indeed, Martin Bormann boasted in 1942 that; "We have constructed for the Fuhrer an impregnable fortress in the far-south, a Shangri-la on land!" If you couple this with allied fighter-pilot reports on the "foo-fighters" (pilot-jargon for these unexplained objects that often shadowed allied aerial activity),reports that Winston Churchill took very seriously, you have the makings of a tantalising mystery; were these strange "UFO"s actually German in origin?

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    I found a page at random, googling "Fortress Antarctica". It's Nazi Swastika Found In Ancient Antarctica Lake Sparks Russian Fears

    The last thing I saw so obscenely bogus was a magazine published by Garner Ted Armstrong and called The Plain Truth. Garner Ted was a wealthy chap by the time he died.
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    The Nazi Swastika found in the lake was probably dropped from one of the seaplanes as a territorial marker (they dropped hundreds,apparently),indeed, some of these territorial markers can clearly be seen in some of the aerial pictures taken by "Passat" and "Borealis"! (these aerial images were available to view online,though only SOME of them remain).Some markers were apparently planted by some of the many German exploratory troops that disembarked the "Neuschwabia" exploration ship. All this has only come (somewhat) into the public domain in recent years,thanks to certain documents being de-classified,or part de-classified (such as documents pertaining to "Operation Paperclip",the alleged American assimilation of German rocket scientists immediately after the war).
    I agree that there are as many self-enriching charlatans as there are gullible folk, but the enigma remains, to this day, difficult to disprove or confirm. If it IS/WAS true, would you, as a wartime leader, or recent post-war leader, want to admit that there was some enemy vehicle or weapon you could do nothing or little to defend against?

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    The way I'd normally see where these stories originated would be to search key terms on google books and find earliest references, see how far back the stories can be traced, find out how they then changed over time in legitimate ("book") publications as opposed to privately-driven web pages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    The way I'd normally see where these stories originated would be to search key terms on google books and find earliest references, see how far back the stories can be traced, find out how they then changed over time in legitimate ("book") publications as opposed to privately-driven web pages.
    Definitely a good idea! I always go back as far as possible, to capture any story/theory in it's original form/first edition, before too many romanticists have added their interpretation to it, or at least, as far back as possible! I totally accept that this is on a par with OOPARTS (out-of-place-artifacts), however, like man's ever-expanding globular knowledge, something regarded as fact ( the Earth is flat) was superceded by new "knowledge" (the Earth is a sphere, and the sun orbits us) eventually leading to our current level of understanding. This, of course, has taken a few centuries to achieve, and is due in large measure to free-thinking individuals dilligently and dauntlessly pursuing, examining, evaluating, prioritising and sifting, with a healthy degree of scepticism, new knowledge and discoveries.

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    Without wishing to sidetrack the thread, when and where was it commonly regarded as fact that the Earth is flat?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth might help as background.
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    Re: Project "Black Sun":experiments in anti-gravity?

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    Without wishing to sidetrack the thread, when and where was it commonly regarded as fact that the Earth is flat?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth might help as background.
    Wiki is very helpful isn't it? Even without looking, I know that several cultures believed this, going right back to pre-biblical times! My points are these; use every available resource, carefully evaluate all available facts, extrapolate your possible conclusion(s), be aware that some of the "facts" may be anything but, and as such, will almost certainly lead to incomplete or distorted conclusions based on a false premise, or premises, much like "Chinese whispers". I don't just blindly believe any old twaddle someone chooses to spout about, but grade things on a sliding scale of probabilities based on what, if anything, is known already, when and by whom it was first postulated by, any contradictory information and healthy scepticism ! If, after all these processes, I think something has some basis in fact, such as Germany annexing Queen Maud's Land for reasons of exploration and experiment, then I get rather interested!

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    Re: Project "Black Sun":experiments in anti-gravity?

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    Without wishing to sidetrack the thread, when and where was it commonly regarded as fact that the Earth is flat?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth might help as background.
    The entire article refers to historical beliefs that the earth was flat. Even where they say the earth is round doesn't necessarily refer to it being spherical. Even in the belief of the earth being flat it would be perfectly logical to believe that it was also round, as you can look & see the horizon whichever direction you look. A flat disc is round. The Wiki article does also seem to differentiate between Round & Spherical, though.

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    Re: Project "Black Sun":experiments in anti-gravity?

    Apparently, in 1947, Admiral Byrd, U.S.N. was given the task of exploring "Neuschwabia", to see what he could find. This endevour was called "operation high-jump", and he didn't go alone! His flotilla consisted of; 1 aircraft carrier (Philippines Sea), 2 sea-plane carriers (Pine Island, Curritich), 2 destroyers (Brownsen?,Henderson), 2 escort ships (Yankee and Merrick), 2 re-fuelling/re-supply ships (Canister and Capacan) and one submarine (Sennet). He also took 4000 combat troops!
    This large force was equipped for an 8-month stay,yet whithin 48 hours of arrival,Byrd was already making arrangements for departure, finally departing six months earlier than originally planned,minus 4 escort aircraft! Upon return to Washington for de-brief, his personal diary and mission logs were seized by U.S. intelligence, and remain highly classified to this day (interesting,in this era of de-classified documents...).
    Admiral Byrd was obviously keen to relate his story to someone, so he did, to one Lee Van Atta, a reporter for the Chilean El Mercurio, seeing as the American press was taking no interest (also interesting,given U.S. suppression of stories deemed " in the interests of national security"). In one El Mercurio article, Admiral Byrd is quoted with saying; "It is necessary for the United States to put into effect defensive measures against enemy airmen who come from the polar regions". Open to interpretation, yes, but sayings about "no smoke without fire" spring to mind here!

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    It must be a bit like being a Roman Catholic, the effort of belief involved in writing that.

    In what sense is Paragraph 2 falsifiable?
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