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    Such a shooting or even bombing of abortion clinics is nothing new. My point is it is rare.
    You have, I think persuaded me. On average there are only three people illegally killed - murdered, if you like - by the use of firearms in the USA each day. That is so trivially small a number that reacting hysterically to it by changing the lifestyle of all Americans by curtailing their peculiar and idiosyncratic "right to bear arms" would be a major admission of defeat at the hands of a fringe element of people who turned out to be bad. Refusing to be beaten is more important than saving, at best, a thousand lives a year, while possibly endangering many more.

    It is, as you say, rare, and backing down as a result of badness is the wrong approach.
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    Re: Gun control

    3 per day in the USA?

    Breaking it down further, three people are killed by a gun per hour and almost seven people are shot every 60 minutes.
    Murders, Shootings And Gun Sales Per Day: An Average Day In United States

    Yes, stats a couple of years old, but I can't imagine them changing as much as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    Yes, stats a couple of years old, but I can't imagine them changing as much as that.
    It's all a matter of vocabulary. There are 30,000ish deaths by firearm in the USA each year. Of those, around 1,000 are illegal. The vast majority are suicides. My "three people illegally killed - murdered, if you like - by the use of firearms in the USA each day" is bang on.
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    Today there has been another gun attack in America. 14 dead, not sure how many injured. It was an attack inside a disabled persons' institute. Apparently the attack started at 11.00 am USA time and is still not sorted 6 hours later ! There seem to be dozens of police and soldiers and it seems to be a siege situation. Reports say that one of the attackers has been shot. They had body armour on and carried at least rifles.

    Why is this sort of thing getting more and more common in America ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by G#Gill View Post
    Why is this sort of thing getting more and more common in America ?
    Endemic explicit violence in the entertainment and games industry, and the increasingly polarized capitalist inequality throughout American society. That it was "inside a disabled persons' institute" doesn't seem relevant, there seems to be a significant category of co-worker attacks and this sounds like another of them (though bringing one's wife to join in would be a bit bizarre).
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    I wonder who has more fatalities, armed American citizens or terrorists ?

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    It has no bloody comparison..... HERE
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    I notice that 9/11 falls conveniently just outside of the timescale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    I notice that 9/11 falls conveniently just outside of the timescale.
    280,024 domestic gun deaths................whether intended or accidental.....its a death.

    3000 plus due to 9/11, add that to the 24 terrorist related deaths, thats 3024 ?

    Hardly matters statistically...............somebody is making a lot of money off both statistics cynical me thinks.
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    280,024 domestic gun deaths................whether intended or accidental.....its a death.
    That's close to the same number as died driving. They're deaths too. Most are accidental or suicide.

    Of those "280,024 domestic gun deaths" - I wonder what "domestic" means in this context? - around 10,000 are illegal killings. Of the remaining 96%, most are accidental or suicide.

    By about 20 years from now a lot of cars are going to drive themselves and the accidental total of driving deaths will drop to - let me guess - less than a tenth. Most of the remainder will be people refusing to give up driving despite the extra risk.

    I wonder whether we could do that with guns too. Allow them to decide when to fire, instead of leaving it up to their owner. They'd need a similar amount of computing power as the car, which might add a few grams inside the handle. They'd need sensors to recognize body heat and detect other weapons, they'd need communications to discover whether the other guns in range had a hostile intention or capability. And they'd fire without command to protect their owner and his recognized compadres. People would soon stop carrying concealed manual weaponry if all the intelligent guns could detect them and consider them potentially hostile.

    We may have a glimmer of an answer here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    It's all a matter of vocabulary. There are 30,000ish deaths by firearm in the USA each year. Of those, around 1,000 are illegal. The vast majority are suicides. My "three people illegally killed - murdered, if you like - by the use of firearms in the USA each day" is bang on.
    What is illegal, the shooting of the gun used to do it?

    If only one in thirty deaths by firearms are illegal then either Americans are committing suicide in unbelievable numbers or the definition of illegal shooting has to be looked at.

    If only one in thirty firearms used to kill is illegal then that is a strong argument to get rid of legal guns.

    If your "The vast majority are suicides" is suggesting that twenty five thousand plus Americans shoot themselves each year then that is an appalling statistic - one person in each ten thousand of the population each year ...

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