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    Re: Will President Trump run for a second term?

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    To my knowledge Socialism doesn't seem to work, so capitalism may not be perfect but it seems to lead to overall better lives for most than socialism has shown.
    There are plenty of examples of Socialism actually working. Even here in the Good Ol' US of A.
    Just like there are plenty of examples to be found of Capitalism failing dismally.

    Much of the world uses some form of a hybrid system.
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    Re: Will President Trump run for a second term?

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    Who said anything about "Socialism" or "overall better lives for most"? I thought we were discussing corruption in American Politics and what we saw as the root cause. I gave you my best guess. What's yours? Clearly, electing non-incumbents hasn't been working for the reasons I already stated.
    My best guess, would be greed, corruption and the 2 party system. Does capitalism cause this? Your guess is as good as mine. Term limits and less perks would be a start to curbing it somewhat.

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    I realize Americans have been indoctrinated since birth to loathe the word Socialism, but America is even so a Socialist nation. The word is anathema but the notion is a necessity. Allow me to persuade you as follows.

    Let's invent a new country just in the thread, Ourland. We happy few are the designers of Ourland. At some stage we can give it a Constitution and design its governance but there are questions to answer first before we we can go that far.

    Let's keep it simple and say that the only people allowed on Ourland's soil are citizens of Ourland. All citizens are human.

    Do we choose to allow citizens with no resources to die for lack of food or water or shelter? Would we like to let some categories of citizen die in such circumstance but provide relief for other categories?

    The thing is, if we have any category of citizen to whom we will provide relief as a duty of the nation, then we're introducing socialism. We've had members on ForumGarden who have said no, no relief regardless of category, they can live or die on the handouts of charities but the government of Ourland should have no mandate to intervene. They say this because Socialism is, in their opinion, Bad. Charities on the other hand, they add, can show benevolence to any category of citizen they consider deserving.

    You'll remember the old joke?
    “Well,” says the gentleman, “just for the sake of our argument, suppose I offered you $1000 - would you sleep with me?” The lady, smiling coquettishly: “Who knows - I might very well!” The gentleman: “Now suppose I offer you $10 for the night?” The lady: “What do you think I am!” The gentleman: “We’ve already established what you are. Now we’re just haggling over the price.”
    So what kind of country do you want? You can go on to discuss possible categories of deserving or abandoned, and whether education or other functions should be included alongside food, water and shelter, but you have to start with that yes/no choice of ever intervening for social reasons in the first place. If you allow any category then I suggest we've already established that Socialism has a necessary place in Ourland.
    I do realize that the US has many social services that would be considered a form of socialism. And yes we have been conditioned to hate "socialism" and are constantly shown examples of the "failures" of socialism. i.e. ( Venezuela, Cuba etc. etc.)

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    Re: Will President Trump run for a second term?

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    I do realize that the US has many social services that would be considered a form of socialism. And yes we have been conditioned to hate "socialism" and are constantly shown examples of the "failures" of socialism. i.e. ( Venezuela, Cuba etc. etc.)
    The problem seems to be the mixing of politics and economics.
    Political Corruption is rampant in all forms of economic systems, and there is where the problem lies, IMHO.
    Freemarket Capitalism simply makes it a bit easier for all the players to keep score.
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    Re: Will President Trump run for a second term?

    I have no more trust in Trump than I have in Putin.

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    Re: Will President Trump run for a second term?

    YZGI it could be a disease like "Lackus of Brainus.

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    Re: Will President Trump run for a second term?

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    YZGI it could be a disease like "Lackus of Brainus.
    LOL. You could be right, or it might be TDS Trump derangement syndrome.

    I never said I like Trump personally, but exactly what has he done as POTUS that would make you distrust him like Putin?

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    Re: Will President Trump run for a second term?

    I'm quite puzzled that anyone rationally mistrusts President Putin, if it comes to that.
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    Re: Will President Trump run for a second term?

    Quote Originally Posted by YZGI View Post
    LOL. You could be right, or it might be TDS Trump derangement syndrome.

    I never said I like Trump personally, but exactly what has he done as POTUS that would make you distrust him like Putin?
    TDS also stands for Trump Delusion Syndrome which is what his base suffers from. As for your second remark, try this on for size, hot off the presses:

    "President Donald Trump may not alert the FBI if foreign governments offered damaging information against his 2020 rivals during the upcoming presidential race, he said, despite the deluge of investigations stemming from his campaign's interactions with Russians during the 2016 campaign."
    "Trump disputed the idea that if a foreign government provided information on a political opponent, it would be considered interference in our election process."
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/id-e...ry?id=63669304

    This breaks the law. The campaign finance laws prohibit accepting not just money, but anything of value from a foreign source.

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    Re: Will President Trump run for a second term?

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    I have no more trust in Trump than I have in Putin.
    I trust Putin a damn site more that I would ever trust the Trumpster.
    Putin is actually quite predictable.
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