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    Where Does Responsibility Lie?

    Andrew Pimlott: Police pay family of Taser death man - BBC News

    Devon and Cornwall Police do not accept any liability for Mr Pimlott's death.
    A police spokesman said: "Whilst the outcome of the inquest in 2015 did indicate that the Taser was the most likely cause of the ignition, no criticism was levied at the force or the officer, and confirmed the officer had used his Taser in accordance with national training."

    The fact that the poor guy was covered in petrol and holding a lighted match does not have any bearing on liability? Really?


    Anyone with half a brain cell would see that tasering a man under those circumstances was likely to end up with a conflagration so how can the policeman not be negligent? The fact that it was in line with his training is secondary and only suggests that the training was faulty.

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    I think you hit that nail on the head........the half brain in that coppers head was the wrong half.
    No body thought maybe a firehose? Just for this instance? Theyll render you pretty helpless ....and whamo! No ignition

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    A good example of when to do nothing.

    Still trying to understand how a taser started the fire.

    they could not be sure whether Mr Pimlott started the fire by striking the match. The jury said the officer had acted in line with his training before firing.
    Cha Ching, the parents cash in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    A good example of when to do nothing.

    Still trying to understand how a taser started the fire.



    Cha Ching, the parents cash in.
    When you're playing with voltages in the tens of thousands sparks are very common as the charge tries to find its way to Earth. As a Taser has multiple conductors carrying those sort of voltages I'd say a spark was more likely than not.

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    Did anyone miss the, he was holding a lighted match part ?
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    Did anyone miss the, he was holding a lighted match part ?
    No, that would just guarantee disaster - I was responding to the question raised.

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    The problem with cases like these, are the public, who are so quick to jump to condemnation against police officers. In situations like these, it's usually a split second decision. Had he not of used the tasar and the victim had gone up in flames, dying a slow death, by his own match, the officer would be condemned for not acting quickly enough. I doubt anyone will ever have the misfortune to be in the officer's shoes one day. But, let's hang him out to dry and ruin his life eh ?
    The fault lies with the lack of mental health care in the UK, along with care in the community who didn't appear to be doing their jobs properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Momus View Post
    The problem with cases like these, are the public, who are so quick to jump to condemnation against police officers. In situations like these, it's usually a split second decision. Had he not of used the tasar and the victim had gone up in flames, dying a slow death, by his own match, the officer would be condemned for not acting quickly enough. I doubt anyone will ever have the misfortune to be in the officer's shoes one day. But, let's hang him out to dry and ruin his life eh ?
    The fault lies with the lack of mental health care in the UK, along with care in the community who didn't appear to be doing their jobs properly.
    The trouble is that his action guaranteed that the victim would go up in flames, dying a slow death but the Police consider that to be acceptable because he "acted according to his training", end of story - no consideration of whether any learnings could come out of the tragedy or whether common sense should have been applied.

    Personally, I see nothing that the policeman could have done to save the guy but tasering him was NOT the correct response.

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