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    I've always thought all these Genesis stories were meant to be told around night-time campfires and consequently carry a hefty dose of slap-thigh comedy.
    I've never thought of it that way but makes perfect sense.

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    I suggested there was subterfuge involved. In order to gain the advantage, Jacob's tribe pretended to make a deal. Part of the deal incapacitated the menfolk temporarily, allowing the massacre to succeed. Nothing in the story suggests that the tribe intended to accept payment at any stage, merely that they wanted the villagers prostrate after they'd each cut their own foreskins off.

    I've always thought all these Genesis stories were meant to be told around night-time campfires and consequently carry a hefty dose of slap-thigh comedy.
    The way that they achieved it is immaterial, they set the rules and accepted the payment, what happened afterwards was totally wrong.

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    The way that they achieved it is immaterial, they set the rules and accepted the payment, what happened afterwards was totally wrong.
    This is an interesting exchange between two brothers, the older holding out the serious moral value and the younger seeing jest.

    How many brothers are there in total and where in the order are the two of you? I'm guessing Bryn is the oldest and spot being next.

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    I've always thought all these Genesis stories were meant to be told around night-time campfires and consequently carry a hefty dose of slap-thigh comedy.
    Interesting way of looking at it.

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    I don't think I would play nice with a dirtbag who raped my sister.

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    The way that they achieved it is immaterial, they set the rules and accepted the payment, what happened afterwards was totally wrong.
    English folklore is replete with examples of one clan or other, invariably English, lying through their teeth and then pulling a fast one on the God-fearing border families of either Scotland or Wales. Or, if we expand the notion of borders, Ireland too. What is unacceptable is that the English were usually the stronger force and had the upper hand to begin with. Presumably they lied not through necessity but to add insult to the injury they inflicted. We then did the same relentlessly wherever we spread the Empire, to any indigenous people we encountered. Even when the colonies rebelled against their mother country the colonists continued to lie as they reduced all neighboring first peoples to destitution. I wouldn't be surprised if the Biblical upbringing these Empire-builders absorbed at home and at school gave them a sense of entitlement to lie with such impunity.




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    This is an interesting exchange between two brothers, the older holding out the serious moral value and the younger seeing jest.

    How many brothers are there in total and where in the order are the two of you? I'm guessing Bryn is the oldest and spot being next.
    That is a question the two of us have dodged over the last decade on this site. We have neither of us offered biographical notes other than saying we have so many grandchildren we'd need to ask around to find the present total.

    We never had siblings. I have inflicted five children on the world, the youngest of whom I'm still hand-rearing. Bryn's (despite his being my junior) have all successfully established households of their own, leaving him more free to travel.
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    That is a question the two of us have dodged over the last decade on this site. We have neither of us offered biographical notes other than saying we have so many grandchildren we'd need to ask around to find the present total.

    We never had siblings. I have inflicted five children on the world, the youngest of whom I'm still hand-rearing. Bryn's (despite his being my junior) have all successfully established households of their own, leaving him more free to travel.
    This is a surprise to me. I recall Bryn posting a few years ago that he was then in his seventies. A post, I might add, that appeared to have a devastating effect on Lon because he was surprised to learn that Bryn was older than him.

    Oh well, an interesting exchange between the two of you none the less. Sorry to sidetrack you.

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    English folklore is replete with examples of one clan or other, invariably English, lying through their teeth and then pulling a fast one on the God-fearing border families of either Scotland or Wales. Or, if we expand the notion of borders, Ireland too. What is unacceptable is that the English were usually the stronger force and had the upper hand to begin with. Presumably they lied not through necessity but to add insult to the injury they inflicted. We then did the same relentlessly wherever we spread the Empire, to any indigenous people we encountered. Even when the colonies rebelled against their mother country the colonists continued to lie as they reduced all neighboring first peoples to destitution. I wouldn't be surprised if the Biblical upbringing these Empire-builders absorbed at home and at school gave them a sense of entitlement to lie with such impunity.
    My specific objection is that this is a not a family of brigands from the borderlands, it's a family that the Bible holds up as the chosen of God, indeed, the descendants of one of the murderers went on to become the anointed priesthood and, as such, the arbiters of morals and ethics for the people of Israel.

    For them to act in such an immoral fashion is doubly wrong.

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    This is a surprise to me. I recall Bryn posting a few years ago that he was then in his seventies. A post, I might add, that appeared to have a devastating effect on Lon because he was surprised to learn that Bryn was older than him.

    Oh well, an interesting exchange between the two of you none the less. Sorry to sidetrack you.
    I don't remember posting that I was in my seventies but I seem to recall that I posted at on time that I was around when Victoria came to the throne :-)

    I'm as old as I feel and sometimes I feel very old indeed but for all of that I'm nearly four years younger than Spot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr View Post
    My specific objection is that this is a not a family of brigands from the borderlands, it's a family that the Bible holds up as the chosen of God, indeed, the descendants of one of the murderers went on to become the anointed priesthood and, as such, the arbiters of morals and ethics for the people of Israel.

    For them to act in such an immoral fashion is doubly wrong.
    Morality is relative especially to a religious person. Read the bible it's OK to lie to someone of as different faith or take their land and women because they are not of your faith on the other hand it's immoral to cheat a fellow believer. The bits about who can be enslaved and under what ciurcumstances are particularly enlightening. The chosen people can take what they want and by the way the rights of women don't feature at all since they are cursed by god and should know their place.

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