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    You know the Cersei is Tyrion's sister, right?[
    Yes, and why she can't dispose of him as easily as she would like to. A family member is constantly standing in her way. This is why, in my view, she beheads Missandei, to spite Tyrion for once again throwing her lack of true motherhood in her face. Tyrion's recklessness is to blame for that one. Cersei gambles that Daenerys understands this and punishes him for it, but Daenerys' self-interest is to be Queen and that stands in her way to empathize with Cersei. Poor decisions all around.
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    It seems that from your PoV, I guess, Self interest is the only true motivating factor that drives human activity.
    Correct. Since species survival is the main goal of any member, the only control we have is that of ourselves, so personal survival becomes paramount. However, don't take that to mean it is the only concern at all times with all members. We are, after all, variants of the species subject to selection processes.

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    What do you make of Tyrion's plea to Jon Snow in season 8 while in prison? Is it a genuine concern for people and their future or is it to save himself from execution?
    I haven't watched Season 8 yet. I don't have cable tv so I've had to watch these on DVD and Season 8 was just released in December.

    I'm re-watching the series and I'm just finishing up Season 6.

    I'll come back to your question later after I'm finished!

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    What do you make of Tyrion's plea to Jon Snow in season 8 while in prison? Is it a genuine concern for people and their future or is it to save himself from execution?
    Tyrion was, at the beginning, the very essence of your argument of Self interest being the principal driver of human activity.
    But I believe that by the time he gets to that point, he had long ago outgrown that aspect of himself. He became far more concerned with the future of humanity than his own well being.

    It is interesting when one's self-interest becomes aligned with the needs of humanity in general.
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    I haven't watched Season 8 yet. I don't have cable tv so I've had to watch these on DVD and Season 8 was just released in December.

    I'm re-watching the series and I'm just finishing up Season 6.

    I'll come back to your question later after I'm finished!
    Oops! Sorry about the spoilers.

    If you have any sort of decent internet connection you might be able to go to HBO's website and get a free trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    Tyrion was, at the beginning, the very essence of your argument of Self interest being the principal driver of human activity.
    But I believe that by the time he gets to that point, he had long ago outgrown that aspect of himself. He became far more concerned with the future of humanity than his own well being.
    I disagree because he's still hung up on being the family outcast, he says he sees himself living to 80, and, in his last-ditch effort plea with Jon Snow, he resorts to the personal interests of his two sisters. Snow needs to kill Daenerys, and that's what Tyrion is after. Lastly, Tyrion is an alcoholic

    Other characters complain about Tyrion's constant talking himself in and out of trouble. He wears on other people, and Daenerys makes the statement that he commits too many mistakes as her advisor.
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    It is interesting when one's self-interest becomes aligned with the needs of humanity in general.
    That's the trick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    Oops! Sorry about the spoilers.

    If you have any sort of decent internet connection you might be able to go to HBO's website and get a free trial.
    It's okay, I know how the story ends! I just can't offer an opinion on that scene yet.

    I found Tyrion to be incredibly likable and i hope nothing I see in Season 8 changes my opinion on that but I'll let you know!

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    It's okay, I know how the story ends! I just can't offer an opinion on that scene yet.

    I found Tyrion to be incredibly likable and I hope nothing I see in Season 8 changes my opinion on that but I'll let you know!
    He is very likable through the end, but that doesn't mean likable people don't have self-interest. In fact, making oneself likable is a self-interest.
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    Oops! Sorry about the spoilers.

    If you have any sort of decent internet connection you might be able to go to HBO's website and get a free trial.
    I have HBO through Amazon Prime. Got it back when Westworld came out. Then went back and watched all the GoT. episodes.

    I don't think that we have posted anything, yet that really will spoil Season 8 for Tabby.

    Now that all the seasonal stuff is over, I may have time to go back and watch the season that I missed - Once I figure out which that was.
    In what season was the historical info about the Ice King and his cronies explained?
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    He is very likable through the end, but that doesn't mean likable people don't have self-interest. In fact, making oneself likable is a self-interest.
    Tyrion never really seemed to care whether anyone liked him. But, like Vayris, his primary "self-interest" evolved to being the good of the realm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    I have HBO through Amazon Prime. Got it back when Westworld came out. Then went back and watched all the GoT. episodes.

    I don't think that we have posted anything, yet that really will spoil Season 8 for Tabby.

    Now that all the seasonal stuff is over, I may have time to go back and watch the season that I missed - Once I figure out which that was.
    In what season was the historical info about the Ice King and his cronies explained?
    6 or 7. Whichever one of those you didn't watch.
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