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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    Bloody cheek what do you mean it MAY be from the holocaust museum I am not in the habit of claiming something unless I can back it up. .
    Well, I said MAY because I am guessing that you got the list from a Brit scandal sheet which claims that the list is from the museum, and that MAY be true.

    If you have actually visited the museum then I actually apologize.

    The point is, my OPINION is that a FEW posters to this thread do not seem to have the slightest idea of how the USA is governed and how its laws and especially its constitution protects its citizens from all of the vile things that we have been discussing here. What scares me most is that a few of them are actually citizens of this country. We have remained free since 1776 and will remain so long after all of us, Americans and others, are long gone.

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    Just wondering what you consider as being free.
    And i know your systems of governing because it was compulsary at school to learn other countries political and governing systems. I notice America does nothave that in their own school curriculum.

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    Well, I said MAY because I am guessing that you got the list from a Brit scandal sheet which claims that the list is from the museum, and that MAY be true.

    If you have actually visited the museum then I actually apologize.

    The point is, my OPINION is that a FEW posters to this thread do not seem to have the slightest idea of how the USA is governed and how its laws and especially its constitution protects its citizens from all of the vile things that we have been discussing here. What scares me most is that a few of them are actually citizens of this country. We have remained free since 1776 and will remain so long after all of us, Americans and others, are long gone.
    The independent hardly qualifies as a scandal sheet. It was a tweet by somebody that has made it topical. Never mind

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-a3453921.html

    Actually I do know how the usa is governed although I do not claim to be an expert by any means. Your constitution only works if the checks and balances are kept in place and not twisted to serve the ends of a few. Maybe the voters in those states where voting resrtriction have been introduced don't have anything to worry about but they're going to have to get off theior backsides.

    Anyway the post was about fascism not the us constitition. You might fond tghis of interest if you can be bothered reading it.

    Fascism USA - A Review of the Growing Loss of Democracy

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    "The dangerous American fascist is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power...

    Still another danger is represented by those who, paying lip service to democracy and the common welfare, in their insatiable greed for money and the power which money gives, do not hesitate surreptitiously to evade the laws designed to safeguard the public from monopolistic extortion...

    The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact. Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection."

    Henry A. Wallace, 1944
    The american fascists went very quiet after ww2 but they didn't go away. Nor did ours

    Who owns america? Fascism, corporations, church and state working together. trump is playing the god card I notice as well as the blind patriotism one.

    Actually I think your constitution will work in the end, not least because ordinary people can vote and hopefully outnumber the nutjobs at the end of the day.

    Methinks here in the UK we have a more serious problem our fiorst past the post system really skews the actual vote so we end uo with governments the majority of people voted for. Roll on indyref 2.

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    Methinks here in the UK we have a more serious problem our first past the post system really skews the actual vote so we end up with governments the majority of people voted for. Roll on indyref 2.
    Methinks amongst the typos you wanted to put against but substituted for.

    Slow down your typing and proof read please Jock.
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    As long as he doesnt make an audio recording...we'd never understand what he wanted to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    Actually I do know how the usa is governed although I do not claim to be an expert by any means. .
    Thank you for not claiming that.

    Wallace was a well-known socialist and something of an extremist/Trotskyite. I, a lifelong socialist, would NEVER have voted for him.

    The rest of your post pretty much proves my point. Although I've lived elsewhere, I'm a loyal American and haven't the slightest idea where you get some of your assertions. I would especially like to hear more about "church and state working together". I am a cradle Catholic and a proud member of a Jewish household. I have never noticed any indication whatsoever of either of those religions DIRECTLY involved with government, maybe you can give some examples.

    Have you ever even VISITED the USA?

    Afterthought: Aren't England, Scotland and Wales all "church and state working together"? Not sure, just asking. What's the point? In any case , the USA is definitely church neutral. If you can give any info to the contrary, please do so.

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    Oh i see what you do now. You dont discuss the points or argue whats actually said.....you just label and shoot the messenger

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    And Trump now flouts international laws. After all the efforts by African conservationists Trump is going to allow ivory back into America.
    Guess whos sons are avid international hunters?

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    And Trump now flouts international laws. After all the efforts by African conservationists Trump is going to allow ivory back into America.
    Guess whos sons are avid international hunters?
    One of the only bits of legislation that **** in the Presidency has managed is to allow polluting within 600 yards of natural water sources - streams, lakes, that sort of thing.

    Laws don't apply to Trump. He knows that from grabbing women by the pussy, Mob contacts from his real estate business years and expensive legally qualified but morally bankrupt ****s (ie the sort of lawyer who will work for someone like that).
    The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    Methinks amongst the typos you wanted to put against but substituted for.

    Slow down your typing and proof read please Jock.
    You're quite right I did mean against.

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    As long as he doesnt make an audio recording...we'd never understand what he wanted to say.
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    Wallace was a well-known socialist and something of an extremist/Trotskyite. I, a lifelong socialist, would NEVER have voted for him.

    The rest of your post pretty much proves my point. Although I've lived elsewhere, I'm a loyal American and haven't the slightest idea where you get some of your assertions. I would especially like to hear more about "church and state working together". I am a cradle Catholic and a proud member of a Jewish household. I have never noticed any indication whatsoever of either of those religions DIRECTLY involved with government, maybe you can give some examples.
    As a socialist you are surely aware of what fascism is and be able to recognise fascism for what it is and the part religion plays in it. Trump is actively encouraging the christian right to get their support. It's not their active participation but their support and infuence that affects policy. Just because they do not actually hold office and are not ACTIVELY involved does not mean they have no impact. If trump gets to appoint conservative supreme court judges you will no doubt see even more evidence of the religious influence winding back civil liberties in the name of protecting religious freedom.

    Have you ever even VISITED the USA?
    Nope not yet, plan to next year. The point of this forum is to discuss things with people who have a different perpective on things. My assertions as you would have it are put to find out if my opinions and preconceptions about the usa have any kind of validity. I'm still convinced my initial assertion that most americans would not recognise a fascist if they met one is correct. If I said racist, bigot would that help?

    Afterthought: Aren't England, Scotland and Wales all "church and state working together"? Not sure, just asking. What's the point? In any case , the USA is definitely church neutral. If you can give any info to the contrary, please do so.
    On paper yes we have a state religion, the queen is head of the church of england and the bishops get seats in the house of lords where they exert their baleful influence the but not the church of scotland but that organisation has power out of all proportion to the actual membership and on the 5th of november we burn effigies of catholics and set off fireworks to celebrate their failure to bring back a catholic monarchy and the divine right of kings. Religion is a cancer that occasionally exerts itself usually to try reclaim their rights to discriminate against people they deciude are a good target. But we also have a strong history of fighting the state that's why we have a parliamentary system of government where parliament is supposedly sovereign. Unfortunately we donlt have the same kind of checks and balances built in to our system - On the other hand not convinced a written cinstitution would work for us the us does seem to get hung up on the wording rather than the intent in some things.

    We exported our religious bigotry to you - the pilgrim fathers weren't fleeing persecution they were so obnoxious we wanted to get rid of them. In boston USA you don't just have a st. patricks day parade you have an orange walk as well at least they don't end up fighting. You've only ever had one catholic president why is that?

    I digress. The arrangements mussolini made with the catholic church and they with him were to reinforce the state power, the catholic church endorsed hitler Trump courts the religious right to reinforce his support although I wouldn't put him in the same league. Why do you think the writers of the constitution wanted seperation of state and religion it was because they had seen how one was used to reinforce the other.

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