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    Helsinki Summit

    Too important not to have a thread of its own.

    Now my understanding is that not only are 12 Russians indicted but US intelligence services are currently warning that the Russians intend to interfere in the mid terms.

    If Trump goes in and complains seriously about these matters and the Novichok use and the Crimea and Ukraine I'll be reassured. If he disappears off and has a buddy chat he's at best a fool and at worst a traitor.

    The only question in my mind in that case is, does he know he's a tool of Putin's or not?


    Perhaps this is also a good place to explain my current understanding of the situation regarding removing Trump from office.:


    Basically, it's near impossible, requiring a vote with a 2/3rds majority in the Senate (just a majority in Congress) so unless clear undeniable treachery can be proven (which I doubt) few will breach party lines and his core vote will be unaffected. Particularly those who follow Trump as God's prophet (see kids in cages). Even if impeached he might just shrug and ignore it and not resign. As far as I'm aware there is no way legally to actually remove him if he chooses not to go.


    Please tell me if that's not the case. I am not an expert in the US constitution.
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    Re: Helsinki Summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Clodhopper View Post
    Too important not to have a thread of its own.

    Now my understanding is that not only are 12 Russians indicted but US intelligence services are currently warning that the Russians intend to interfere in the mid terms.

    If Trump goes in and complains seriously about these matters and the Novichok use and the Crimea and Ukraine I'll be reassured. If he disappears off and has a buddy chat he's at best a fool and at worst a traitor.

    The only question in my mind in that case is, does he know he's a tool of Putin's or not?


    Perhaps this is also a good place to explain my current understanding of the situation regarding removing Trump from office.:


    Basically, it's near impossible, requiring a vote with a 2/3rds majority in the Senate (just a majority in Congress) so unless clear undeniable treachery can be proven (which I doubt) few will breach party lines and his core vote will be unaffected. Particularly those who follow Trump as God's prophet (see kids in cages). Even if impeached he might just shrug and ignore it and not resign. As far as I'm aware there is no way legally to actually remove him if he chooses not to go.


    Please tell me if that's not the case. I am not an expert in the US constitution.
    Well, you have a better grasp, it seems, than many of my countrymen.
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    And even if it were possible, his fanatical support base will say it's a conspiracy..............and they are the armed second amendment knobs.
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    Well, I watched the coverage of the Helsinki summit and it was more in line with my fears than my hopes. I now think that Trump is a willing tool of Putin's.

    He sold out his own Intelligence services, the Ukraine, Georgia, NATO and the American people. Just in the press conference.


    J.Brennan, ex director of the CIA said what Trump did in the press conference rose to and exceeded the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. I'm not sure what that is but it sounds serious.
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    Re: Helsinki Summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    And even if it were possible, his fanatical support base will say it's a conspiracy..............and they are the armed second amendment knobs.
    Alarmist perhaps?

    Every time I hear impeachment I hear the stupid talk.

    There has been two impeachments, Impeachmen of Andrew Johnson a savage attack against the presidency for partisan agenda.

    Fortunately, saved by one vote he was not convicted.

    Then there was Impeachment of Bill Clinton who escaped conviction by partisan vote.

    I clearly remember watching the whole Clinton thing was did the crimes he was accused of rising to the level of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"?

    By partisan vote, the Senate did not convict and remove him from office. As much as I hated Bill Clinton, I 'll just be satisfied with that.

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    How come you don't mention Richard Nixon who resigned to try and avoid impeachment and was pardoned by Gerald ford otherwise he would most definitely have been found guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    How come you don't mention Richard Nixon who resigned
    Because he wasn't impeached.

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    and was pardoned by Gerald ford
    A controversial decision.


    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    otherwise he would most definitely have been found guilty.
    Guilty of what?

    Interesting the pardon did not specify a crime but was a general pardon, far as I know was never before done.

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