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    Re: Positive outcome from brexit

    Self-destructive behavior seems the "new-norm" for nations, these days.
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    Self-destructive behavior seems the "new-norm" for nations, these days.
    It's fascism. It never really went away and a lot of the rhetoric certainly in the UK, is eerily like that used by the nazis/fascists. We have tory MP's prattling on about cultural marxism either through ignorance of it's connotations or because they have fallen for it. Jerymy corbyn is being talked up as a marxist threat to the UK never mind the political debate let's just bandy labels about.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-nazis-796197/

    Americans seem to forget the nazis had a lot of support in the US as did the KKK it doesn't take much for it all to start up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    It's fascism. It never really went away and a lot of the rhetoric certainly in the UK, is eerily like that used by the nazis/fascists. We have tory MP's prattling on about cultural marxism either through ignorance of it's connotations or because they have fallen for it. Jerymy corbyn is being talked up as a marxist threat to the UK never mind the political debate let's just bandy labels about.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-nazis-796197/

    Americans seem to forget the nazis had a lot of support in the US as did the KKK it doesn't take much for it all to start up again.
    I wish I could come up with a good argument against that, but, sadly, it is all too evident.
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    Re: Positive outcome from brexit

    The EU has apparently this evening set the Brexit deadline for Halloween. This is not, for once, an attempt at gallows humour on my part, it's from a Reuters report.
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    Re: Positive outcome from brexit

    As far as I'm concerned the Scots can have their Independence. They will then lose all the funding from the UK, as well as having to develop their own currency. They will need to go through all the application procedure to join the EU (if it still exists by then) & to commit themselves to the Euro. There would also be the question of a Hard Border with England & perhaps the UK Industries pulling out of Scotland. No more representation in Westminster. Plus the majority for Leave amongst the rest of the UK would dramatically increase.

    The only down side is that with the loss of the Scottish seats in the Commons, the Government would have a stronger majority. But, hey, we can live with that.

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    So, Ireland unites, and Scotland runs off to join the EU, and Wales will be stuck listening to all the tales of old glory from the aging big brother during family dinners, wondering if any of the rest of the old family will ever come around for the holidays.
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    So, Ireland unites, and Scotland runs off to join the EU, and Wales will be stuck listening to all the tales of old glory from the aging big brother during family dinners, wondering if any of the rest of the old family will ever come around for the holidays.
    That sounds an ideal outcome. The Cornish could perhaps regain their own parliament too.
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    As far as I'm concerned the Scots can have their Independence. They will then lose all the funding from the UK, as well as having to develop their own currency. They will need to go through all the application procedure to join the EU (if it still exists by then) & to commit themselves to the Euro. There would also be the question of a Hard Border with England & perhaps the UK Industries pulling out of Scotland. No more representation in Westminster. Plus the majority for Leave amongst the rest of the UK would dramatically increase.

    The only down side is that with the loss of the Scottish seats in the Commons, the Government would have a stronger majority. But, hey, we can live with that.
    I see you have bought in to the myth that england subsidises scotland. It's the other way round without the oil revenues the UK was bankrupt, instead of using the oil windfall to build up out economy it was used to give tax breaks to the rich and pay dole money to all the people thatcher threw out of work. Scotland contriubutes 13% of the UK'sd DP we reeive back 8.5% through the barnett formula. Do the arithmetic.

    It was also one of the lies told at the 2014 referendum that the only way to stay in the EU was to vote no. It was an important issue to many scots and too many in scotland fell for that one and now we find ourselves being taken out of the eu against our will. Scotland voted 62% to remain.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/17...new-billboard/

    As to the currency I suggest you read the article and if westminster wants tio have a hard border that is up to them.

    As to representation in westminster the scots MP's havb e been ignored and the scottish givernment has been excluded from any discussions about the negotiations. The snp are the third party in westminster not the libdems and by membership they are the second largest party in the UK after labour.

    To give you a bit of perspective of the 27countries in tye eu deciding on whether to extend brexit 12 have smaller economies and populations that scotland and ireland is being backed up to the hilt unlike the treatment by westminster.

    It's not a case IMO of whether we for for indeendence it's when and quite frankly westmiinster is not going to be able to do much to stop it. In a hung parliament with 50 or so snp mp's they will have to allow a referendum ande if they try and stop it it makes the farce of a "union" of equals even more obvious. .

    You're going to have to find somewhere else to puit your nuclear submarines and the replacement for trident when that gets approved.

    As to UK indistries pulling out out of scotland what exacty would they be and why would they want to lose access to the ei trading artea?? More likely we would see a move up here dso they can access the EU without tareiff barriers getting in the way.

    It also seems increasingly likely that northern ireland may opt to join with the south although no doubt a few unionist fanatics will object.

    In 2014 the westminster establishment panicked when ot looked like it would be a yes vote - hence the "vow" and the likes of gordon brown being riolled out and unbelieveably some waverers fell for it. Not again I donl't think. Basically the UK will cease to exist we will be OK as part of the eu you are stuffed.

    Even if brexit gets stopped I think another referendum is very much on the cards.

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    You may not be aware, since the bbc et al ckoose not to treport on the matter but the scottish government has announced the intention to hold another indepependence refereendum before may 2021 if the uk leaves the EU. You'd think the end of the united kingdom would get more interest.

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