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    Red meat

    Just for the heck of it just though to throw up some stats for the heck of it.

    Tracking Shootings in America

    In 2018, there were 27 active-shooting incidents in 16 states, according to new FBI data
    By Elbert Wang
    Published Apr. 12, 2019 at 11:00 a.m. ET
    Active-shooter incidents around the U.S. fell slightly last year, but they remained at the second highest level since 2000, according to new data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

    Deadly incidents in 2018 included the shooting at a Parkland, Fla., high school, the shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh and the Borderline Bar and Grill shooting in Thousand Oaks, Calif. In total, there were 27 incidents around the country last year, leaving 85 people dead and 128 wounded. That compares with 30 shootings in 2017, the deadliest year in the FBI’s records.

    Between 2000 and 2018, there have been 277 active-shooter events, which have killed 884 and injured 1,544, according to the FBI. These shootings have taken place in 44 states and Washington, D.C., in churches, workplaces and neighborhoods, and at all hours of the day.



    After the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, the FBI began tracking active-shooter events to develop new ways to prevent, prepare for and respond to these incidents. The agency also compiled some historical information back to 2000.

    The bureau defines an active shooter as “an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area” with firearms. In some of the incidents the FBI includes, there are no casualties.

    By examining all of the events, the FBI said it has found that many shooters signal impending violence before the attack.

    “Shooters rarely ‘just snap,’ and it’s rare that no one saw it coming,” said Pete Blair, executive director of the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University. “They plan these things out over an extended period of time, display troubling behavior, and make threats on social media.”

    These behavioral patterns have shed light on how ordinary citizens and law enforcement can respond to future attacks and even how they can intervene before they happen, said Mr. Blair.

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    So would a gangland spat in which a guy attempted to take out a couple of members of a rival gang be considered an active shooter event?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr View Post
    So would a gangland spat in which a guy attempted to take out a couple of members of a rival gang be considered an active shooter event?
    I don't think so.

    After the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, the FBI began tracking active-shooter events to develop new ways to prevent, prepare for and respond to these incidents. The agency also compiled some historical information back to 2000.

    The bureau defines an active shooter as “an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area” with firearms. In some of the incidents the FBI includes, there are no casualties.

    By examining all of the events, the FBI said it has found that many shooters signal impending violence before the attack.

    “Shooters rarely ‘just snap,’ and it’s rare that no one saw it coming,” said Pete Blair, executive director of the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University. “They plan these things out over an extended period of time, display troubling behavior, and make threats on social media.”

    These behavioral patterns have shed light on how ordinary citizens and law enforcement can respond to future attacks and even how they can intervene before they happen, said Mr. Blair.[/quote]


    Most shootings took place in businesses, schools and workplaces. In over half of the incidents, the shooter chose the location specifically to target at least one of the victims. Others’ motives are unknown.

    In 2018, citizens intervened to try to end five of the shootings. “Citizens were faced with split-second, life-and-death decisions,” the FBI said. “They saved many lives.”

    Two law-enforcement officers were killed in 2018 in active-shooter incidents, and six were wounded.

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    Looks to me like America is bleeding to death from gun violence. Hey...but what's 30,000 dead a year when you have 300 million?

    America has gun crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    I don't think so.

    After the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, the FBI began tracking active-shooter events to develop new ways to prevent, prepare for and respond to these incidents. The agency also compiled some historical information back to 2000.

    The bureau defines an active shooter as “an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area” with firearms. In some of the incidents the FBI includes, there are no casualties.

    By examining all of the events, the FBI said it has found that many shooters signal impending violence before the attack.

    “Shooters rarely ‘just snap,’ and it’s rare that no one saw it coming,” said Pete Blair, executive director of the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University. “They plan these things out over an extended period of time, display troubling behavior, and make threats on social media.”

    These behavioral patterns have shed light on how ordinary citizens and law enforcement can respond to future attacks and even how they can intervene before they happen, said Mr. Blair.

    Most shootings took place in businesses, schools and workplaces. In over half of the incidents, the shooter chose the location specifically to target at least one of the victims. Others’ motives are unknown.

    In 2018, citizens intervened to try to end five of the shootings. “Citizens were faced with split-second, life-and-death decisions,” the FBI said. “They saved many lives.”

    Two law-enforcement officers were killed in 2018 in active-shooter incidents, and six were wounded.[/QUOTE]

    It was the
    “an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area” with firearms
    that prompted the question - how does the gang murder not qualify?

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    Re: Red meat

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr View Post
    Most shootings took place in businesses, schools and workplaces. In over half of the incidents, the shooter chose the location specifically to target at least one of the victims. Others’ motives are unknown.

    In 2018, citizens intervened to try to end five of the shootings. “Citizens were faced with split-second, life-and-death decisions,” the FBI said. “They saved many lives.”

    Two law-enforcement officers were killed in 2018 in active-shooter incidents, and six were wounded.
    It was the that prompted the question - how does the gang murder not qualify?[/QUOTE]

    Most gang shootings have specific targets, and by-standers are generally not targeted.
    Once the intended target has been dispatched, the shooters pack up and go home, and by the time the police hear about it, it is no longer an "active shooter"

    Most of the incidents mentioned here, shooters are going after random targets and don't stop until they run out of ammo, or targets, or are neutralized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    It was the that prompted the question - how does the gang murder not qualify?
    Most gang shootings have specific targets, and by-standers are generally not targeted.
    Once the intended target has been dispatched, the shooters pack up and go home, and by the time the police hear about it, it is no longer an "active shooter"

    Most of the incidents mentioned here, shooters are going after random targets and don't stop until they run out of ammo, or targets, or are neutralized.[/QUOTE]

    Exactly

    Active shooter:Active shooter or active killer names the perpetrator of a type of mass murder marked by rapidity, scale, randomness, and often suicide. The United States Department of Homeland Security defines an active shooter as "an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area; in most cases, active shooters use firearms and there is no pattern or method to their selection of victims."[1]]

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    Re: Red meat

    The original article is behind a paywall. How about a direct link to the FBI site where the data can be found?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    The original article is behind a paywall. How about a direct link to the FBI site where the data can be found?
    You could go to fbi.gov

    https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/...013-1.pdf/view
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    I was wondering if the link was even included in the article - figuring, of course, that it had been scrutinized, which it apparently wasn't since after doing so the article is completely misleading on its face. Reading the second footnote on page four makes this abundantly clear. I have, over the years, posted repeatedly on this forum that the FBI is prohibited from capturing crime data themselves due to laws that were lobbied for by the NRA on the federal level. On the state level, the NRA has lobbied for laws that prohibit many state and local authorities from volunteering crime data to any federal agency.
    The UCR is the FBI’s widely used system for recording crimes and making policy decisions. It has tracked data on seven crimes since 1930: murder, robbery, rape, aggravated assault, burglary, theft and vehicle theft. In 1979, the UCR started reporting on arson. Nearly 17,000 law enforcement agencies report UCR data to the FBI but those data have several limitations that make them unsuitable for analyzing local crime.
    https://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/pages/ucr-nibrs.aspx So, when two-bit reporters and editors such as the WSJ employs to spread its NRA propaganda publishes statements such as "Tracking Shootings in America" and opens the article with lines like "Active-shooter incidents around the U.S. fell slightly last year..." the article loses all credibility, and, I'll add, adds credibility to your signature. Aside: why won't the forum editor allow for paragraph breaks?
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