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    Vote here.
    Curiously, although "The organization has more than a million members in the United States and internationally", votes from abroad are blocked by the site. Clearly there's something I've not understood.

    The other oddity is that if you ask Progressive Democrats who they'd like to see contending with President Trump in November they'd mainly say Bernie Sanders, but if you put the same question to Republicans you'd quite likely get the same response. Or have I again failed to grasp an essential aspect?
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    The other oddity is that if you ask Progressive Democrats who they'd like to see contending with President Trump in November they'd mainly say Bernie Sanders, but if you put the same question to Republicans you'd quite likely get the same response. Or have I again failed to grasp an essential aspect?
    On its face, I guess Republicans believe moderate democrats will migrate over to Trump (and Republicans in general) if Sanders is the nominee. They might be correct for all I know. But that doesn't persuade me to abandon my preferred policy principles. The Democratic moderate candidates are nothing more than a nicer version of Trump who says they want to expand the ACA. That's not good enough in the minds of many true progressives. The status quo has to be overcome in order for change to occur.

    All that said, Trump might be playing reverse psychology games. That's his style. Who knows or gives a damn, IMV, people should focus on voting their conscience on policy and nothing else.

    Perhaps some of the moderates on the forum will chime in.
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    Perhaps some of the moderates on the forum will chime in.
    You imply, sir, that I might not fall within that category. Where I come from, duels have been fought with less justification.
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    I've been here a long time, and I recall you claiming to be socialist. Though I was referring to moderate American voters. The ones who enjoy complaining that nothing ever changes and then go and vote for the status quo candidates. Kind of like Republicans did mistakenly with Trump and refuse to admit it and continue to buy into his phony rhetoric.
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    I'll settle for "moderate Stalinist" if that helps.
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    The NY Times and Washington Post go nuclear and do the intelligence agency's bidding by publishing unsourced fake stories that Sanders and Trump both are benefiting from Russian interference. What this is is a hail mary to try and stop Sanders. Unbelievable.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2020/02/2...iding-sanders/
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    The NY Times and Washington Post go nuclear and do the intelligence agency's bidding by publishing unsourced fake stories that Sanders and Trump both are benefiting from Russian interference. What this is is a hail mary to try and stop Sanders. Unbelievable.
    We could take this in tiny steps.

    Firstly, would the Russians interfere in the American Presidential election? Of course they would, why on earth wouldn't they.

    Name me - this is a serious request - name me a single election that the Americans haven't attempted to influence during your lifetime. Just one. I'll go and find you evidence that they did. It's called American Foreign Policy, it's what they do.

    Now, either Americans are Exceptional and what they do is allowed but nobody else can do it, or if it's acceptable American practice then it's acceptable for other states to do the same back.

    Has America ever tried to affect elections in, say, Russia? Is the pope a Catholic?

    Is America Exceptional?

    So. If Russia has indeed attempted to influence the American Presidential election, which candidates would they most want to affect. The front runners? The threats to the front runners?

    And finally to the point. In what way can the front runners be held responsible in any way for this attempted interference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    So. If Russia has indeed attempted to influence the American Presidential election, which candidates would they most want to affect. The front runners? The threats to the front runners?
    Establishment members of the democratic party have now smeared only progressives within the party with Russian kooties, namely, Gabbard, and now Sanders. Another progressive who is outside the party is Jill Stein. Then tRump and his associates. As Joe Lauria points out in his piece, Sanders is left in a situation where if he calls out the fake news, he becomes associated with tRump and his tactics, and he can't deny something he has no control over, so that leaves him only one option and that is to rebuke Putin, which lends credibility to the accusation. It's disgusting. This is the trap that intelligence has set the dems up with by having them swear allegiance to the Russiagate narrative. This is how sophisticated our intelligence apparatus is
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    And finally to the point. In what way can the front runners be held responsible in any way for this attempted interference.
    It's guilt by alleged association. Most Americans buy into just about anything the intelligence community asserts through its various news agencies (NY Times - WaPo for two).

    Who benefits from this? My guess is that the hope within the intelligence community is that Buttigieg does. If I'm right they are also working hard elsewhere promoting Buttigieg in the background.

    All things being equal, if Bernie gets burned by this then Warren would be the most likely candidate his supporters would flock to. I think intelligence would want to see how Nevada pans out now, and where Buttigieg places after this accusation.

    Another problem for Sanders is that even if he survives this, intelligence has now inserted itself inside his campaign and can have sway on the direction it takes to a larger degree.
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