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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    and the lose of eu protected status.
    The protection derives under the Harris Tweed Act 1993:

    to register and maintain in any part of the world intellectual
    property rights including patents, trade marks and other marks
    and designs, and to authorise the user of such intellectual property
    on such lawful terms and conditions as the Authority may think
    fit;
    Registered trade marking isn't an EU function and Harris Tweed, with the orb and suchlike, is protected worldwide. Anyone doing it without permission of the authorized body is counterfeiting. Their stock gets burned to discourage others.

    What makes you think the EU has any overriding power that will be lost? It's like Boris and the kippers last week. It is and always has been a British decision, not a European one. The protected status isn't going to evaporate by reason of the UK leaving the EU.
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    Re: You just couldn't make this stuff u

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    The protection derives under the Harris Tweed Act 1993:



    Registered trade marking isn't an EU function and Harris Tweed, with the orb and suchlike, is protected worldwide. Anyone doing it without permission of the authorized body is counterfeiting. Their stock gets burned to discourage others.

    What makes you think the EU has any overriding power that will be lost? It's like Boris and the kippers last week. It is and always has been a British decision, not a European one. The protected status isn't going to evaporate by reason of the UK leaving the EU.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geogra...European_Union

    What makes yo8u think anyone would pay attention to what we say? It needs international agreement for it to stick and we are about to walk away with no deal.

    It's not just harris tweed that could suffer.

    https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-la...on-protections

    http://www.businessforscotland.com/s...23364257812500

    "GIs were introduced by the EU in 1992, setting down measures to protect products and goods based on three categories: Protected Designation of Origin, Protected Geographical Indication and Traditional Speciality Guaranteed. The UK has 86 protected food names, including 15 Scottish products. Securing a GI for a product is likely to give that product a competitive advantage over rivals and add value to it. This is because a GI designation is seen as a guarantee of authenticity and quality and enhances the reputation of the product. In addition, GI status ensures imitation products cannot easily enter the EU market."

    Harris tweed act was part of this it doesn't stand alone it's part of the benefits of being in the eu.

    "Scotch whisky was worth £4.4 billion last year to the economy north of the Border and is sold in around 200 markets across the world. It accounts for more than 20% of all UK food and drink exports, with the value of exports set to grow."

    There are plenty of distillers who will market their whisky as scotch or clothing manufactuirers that will sell "tweed" to take advantage of the cachet associated with the names. .

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    Re: You just couldn't make this stuff u

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    Harris tweed act was part of this it doesn't stand alone it's part of the benefits of being in the eu.
    The current Act, not to mention its predecessor pre-war Act, predated all the EU regulations for regional product protection by decades.

    What puzzles me is that search as I might, I can't find any hint anywhere that an EU protected designation of origin (PDO), protected geographical indication (PGI), or traditional specialities guaranteed (TSG) designation has been applied within the EU to Harris Tweed. I'm usually quite good at that sort of search. Scotch, yes, because Scotch as a category isn't capable of being trade-marked. Why do you think Harris Tweed is subject to EU regional protection at all? I mean, you might be right but I can't turn it up if you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    The current Act, not to mention its predecessor pre-war Act, predated all the EU regulations for regional product protection by decades.

    What puzzles me is that search as I might, I can't find any hint anywhere that an EU protected designation of origin (PDO), protected geographical indication (PGI), or traditional specialities guaranteed (TSG) designation has been applied within the EU to Harris Tweed. I'm usually quite good at that sort of search. Scotch, yes, because Scotch as a category isn't capable of being trade-marked. Why do you think Harris Tweed is subject to EU regional protection at all? I mean, you might be right but I can't turn it up if you are.
    My understandin is that it is now under theor umbrella. Although I could be totally wrong about it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_Tweed_Authority

    "The Harris Tweed Authority was established in 1993, replacing the Harris Tweed Association under the terms of the Harris Tweed Act 1993.

    In early 1990, the UK was reviewing its trade mark law with the intention of moving towards the single trade mark system for the whole European Community. The Harris Tweed Association had already faced difficulties presented by different trade mark laws in different countries, leaving the association concerned that the new trade mark laws could move direct control of their Orb Mark to the owners of the vested interests of the Harris Tweed companies. This move of control from an independent association to the commercial producers threatened an erosion of Harris Tweed's craft status and connection to the islands of the Outer Hebrides due to inevitable economic pressures to reduce costs and move production elsewhere.[5]

    The association concluded the best option was to transform the association into a public law body, i.e., legal persons governed by public law with statutory functions, one of which would be safeguarding the Orb trade mark.[6]

    Taking a lead from two previous Acts of Parliament, the Scotch Whisky Act 1988[7] and the Sea Fish Industry Authority under the Fisheries Act 1981,[8] both of which had set out an appropriate mechanism for the protection and promotion of a Scottish product, a proposal was submitted to the Department of Trade and Industry."

    This might cheer you up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8euRbY2CSt8

    Course some of the press are portraying it as anti-english which it actually isn't it's just anto-tory. He left by the back door to avoid the crowds.

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