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    Re: Mass Mudering sprees in USA!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    Actually, It doesn't matter, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. I'll give it one go, and try not to make it too long or complicated.

    Natural Rights are those rights that say that since one exists, no one has the right to take that away from them.....PERIOD. END OF EXPLANATION!

    Civil Rights are those rights that give one permission to participate in the social structure of a society and partake of the protections and shared endowments through the legal system and welfare system.

    Constitutional Rights are those rights that protect legal citizens from government overreach.

    Guns, per se, arguably, only fall within the Constitutional Rights category.

    One is not born with a gun attached to the body, so that negates the Natural Rights category, and as far as Civil Rights is concerned, your argument can only be that in addition to the legal system, your gun is a backup to assure you can participate within the society, but it is not a part of one's Civil Rights, per se. That you can purchase a firearm also has little if anything to do with Civil Rights the same as buying toilet paper has little if anything to do with it.

    Do you understand that?
    Yea, I understand your confusion.

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    Too long, I see.
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    You can advocate for guns all you want, that does not advance your argument that guns are either a natural or civil right.
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    Re: Mass Mudering sprees in USA!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    You can advocate for guns all you want, that does not advance your argument that guns are either a natural or civil right.
    Once someone is denied a right based on race it becomes a civil rights issue.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    And firearms have been a part of our security ever since.

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    Re: Mass Mudering sprees in USA!

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    Once someone is denied a right based on race it becomes a civil rights issue.
    Yes, it does but the offense is in the denying, not the thing denied. Denying a gay couple a wedding cake does not make wedding cakes a civil right.
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    Yes, it does but the offense is in the denying, not the thing denied. Denying a gay couple a wedding cake does not make wedding cakes a civil right.
    I think we (I) have been dragging this on way too long.

    Civil rights and wedding cakes are worthy of a whole new thread, one of which I have no interest in starting.

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    Re: Mass Mudering sprees in USA!

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    I think we (I) have been dragging this on way too long.

    Civil rights and wedding cakes are worthy of a whole new thread, one of which I have no interest in starting.
    You don't understand analogies or metaphors, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    You don't understand analogies or metaphors, do you?
    Does it matter?

    I am not interested in wedding cakes.

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    Does it matter?

    I am not interested in wedding cakes.
    Yes it does matter because the wedding cake thing is an analogy, not a detour.
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