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    Re: Sincerely held religious beliefs or moral convictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted View Post
    I do accept all faiths as legit for the particular location in which it is found.
    That notion distresses me a lot.

    Christianity is not legitimate in Saudi Arabia, for instance? That is an acceptable circumstance?

    We should accept that bringing up children as Islamic is unacceptable in China or Serbia, or that Hindu worship is illegitimate in Pakistan?

    And I don't think we should even contemplate the current position of Judaism. Why would you not demand that all faiths must be welcome in all locations?
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    [QUOTE=gmc;1524882]"Chrch or not, doesn't matter to me."

    It wasn't a place of worship else this would probably not have been an issue.

    OK so you do not wish to marry someone of a different colour or race

    I never said that.


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    That is your prerogative. Why do you think you or they have the right to deny someone else making that choice?
    Never said that either.

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    But that's precisely what the Mississippi law says can be done. That's its words. Here they are:



    How does that conform with your "It is illegal to deny service to somebody because of race, gender, sexual orientation and so forth."? The Mississippi bill explicitly makes it legal. Or is it trumped by a higher law - is that what you're suggesting? Which higher law?
    Two different worlds.

    Secular issues or religious.

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    Two different worlds.

    Secular issues or religious.
    Don't tell me, tell those bigoted legislators in Mississippi. They seem not to know.
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    The way some Christians interpret things in the bible is often either prejudiced or in serious error. It is an error itself to even think they speak for what is right or wrong, they do not. They made themselves judges of law. They do not represent God or his views. They just like to think they do. Many Christians have very harsh and merciless views on humanity; not all of them, and many of them have been misled on how to view moral issues and laws. Its a very sad subject on how historical Christianity has been taught in some areas. They think God himself is just as harsh.

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    xMaybe we should remove marriage from the religious sphere altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    "Chrch or not, doesn't matter to me."

    It wasn't a place of worship else this would probably not have been an issue.

    OK so you do not wish to marry someone of a different colour or race

    I never said that.




    Never said that either.
    You said this

    "It is illegal to deny service to somebody because of race, gender, sexual orientation and so forth.

    Mississippi law or not.

    What I can do is not participate or contribute to a perverted ceremony.

    That is my right, and I am NOT a Christian. "

    The inference I took was that you considered the mixed race marriage to be perverted. Looking at it again I realise you may not have been expressing a personal attitude so my apologies if I gave offence.

    However. you can't have it all ways if it is illegal to deny someone service to somebody because of race, gender, sexual orientation and so forth then what this venue did is illegal especially as it was not a place of worship where the religiuus argument might have a case (and this probably not have been an issue as the couple probably would not have planned to use it in the first place) but a place advertised as being available for weddings. The point about religious freedom is that the religious cannot impose their beliefs on others or use faith to justify hatred.

    Turn it on it's head, what if a venue had refused to allow pentecostal christians to use their wedding venue as the proposed union and service went against her catholic faith.

    Or a protestant owner didn't want catholics to use it as practising pagan rituals was an abomination against the laws of god - at least to them it is in light of theiri christian beliefs.

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