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    MEPs are elected on a PR basis.
    Look at the mess that's in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    MEPs are elected on a PR basis.
    Look at the mess that's in.
    It's still better than first past the post and the mess is a reflection of the method chosen and the indifference people with which people view the european elections. So what is your suggestion to sort it?

    Most people in this country do not vote tory, indeed in most tory seats most of the electorate vote for anyone but the tories yet we have a tory government. Very few MP's get more than 50% of the vote to win outright most are on less than 1/3rd of the vote. We imposed proportional representation on germany, austria and italy post ww2 as it is a system that prvents a minority taking control. hitler did it with less than 1/3rd of the deputies in the reichstag the first thing he did was prevent opposition members being able to vote. There are rioght wing parties in germany nand austria yes they get seats ad make headway but they are not able to take over in the way brexiteers have in this country.

    Boris johnston was elected by less than 1% of the electorate in this country you are trying to defend the indefensible.

    Unionists are now talking aboutb imposing a 2/3rds of the electirate in favour for a future indyref in scotland. Yoo bad they didnlt do that for brexit.

    Why is westminster so terrified that scitland become independent if we are such a drain as they keep suggesting we are.

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    The tories are definitely running scared now

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/17...urgeon-summit/

    The snp hardly need to make the case any more.

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    Re: English independence

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    The tories are definitely running scared now

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/17...urgeon-summit/

    The snp hardly need to make the case any more.
    He’s not helping his cause is he - foot, mouth, insert

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    https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...hnsons-letter/

    Well he said no. apparently the snp are su[p[osed to keep their promises even if they are fictional while the tories are not.

    Can you imagine the reaction if the UK had to get the eu's permission to hold a referendum? The level of ignorance and arrogance shown by some of the commentetors piers morgan and the like is wonderful to behold.

    Does any of them ever stop to wonder why scots independence is so terrifying a prospect to the westminster establishment?

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    Ever wonder why you never see any snp mp's being interviewed on the mainstream bbc et al?

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...speech-snp-mp/

    They're so much better than the opposition they have to try and shout them down than let them be heard.

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...ombe-1-6465200

    To think she represents us in any way at all is depressing not to say just just downright embarrassing

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    Re: English independence

    The English are seeking independence?
    From whom?
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    Re: English independence

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    The English are seeking independence?
    From whom?
    From the United Kingdom. At the moment there is a Welsh assembly with devolved powers, on a par with your State governments perhaps. The Ulstermen have had their Stormont for the last hundred years, during most of which they've ground the original inhabitants into the dirt and refused them both employment and civil rights - the parallels with State government is perhaps becoming clearer already. The Scots have their debating chamber in Edinburgh and might be compared with the Hawaiians in that they want secession from the Union.

    England has nothing except a minority opinion calling for the abolition of the Westminster government and fully devolved English administration and actually that's been growling in the background ever since Gladstone, the Irish and the 1880s. Since 1977 it's been called the West Lothian Question and it's never been answered. The English are strategically outvoted at Westminster by all these partisan foreigners with their regional demands, whose parochial interests never benefit the nation as presently constituted.
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    Re: English independence

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    The English are seeking independence?
    From whom?
    It's tongue in cheek aimed at the english/british posters on the forum to wind themup.. The westminster establishment are terrified of scots independence because they know they are heavily subsidised by them as well little isues such as where would they base trident


    "The English are strategically outvoted at Westminster by all these partisan foreigners with their regional demands, whose parochial interests never benefit the nation as presently constituted."

    Actually snp mp's have always abstained from voting in solely english matters until quite recently as a way to make a point. Labour used to need scots labour MP's to have any chance of forming a government. they have gone from 49 scot's labour MP;s down to one and that's just one of the rteasons england would be looking forward to decades of tory rule rturning tghem in to a third world country. They still haven't taken the hunt and oppose another referendum.

    If you want a hint of the level of ignorance we have to put up with have a read of this.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...eil-interview/

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    Re: English independence

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    https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...-bill-consent/

    " Questioning the "value of the guarantees from the Prime Minister and his ministers", he said: "In many ways the reason I’m here now is because of my own frustrations the dilemma that Brexit has imposed upon our island, particularly Northern Ireland, without its consent."

    Giving his take, that party's leader Colum Eastwood commented: "They do not care about people here, they don't care about people in Scotland, and they are determined to go on with the madness that is this Brexit.

    "Next week we will be dragged out of the European Union against our will, against the will of people here and people in Scotland. That's why it's important that we're here, that's why it's important that we're rejecting it."

    Looks like an independence referendum in northern ireland might be on the cards.


    https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...minster-talks/

    So much for keeping the union together. I hear there is talk about bringing back the sixth verse of the national anthem.

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