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    https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...-bill-consent/

    " Questioning the "value of the guarantees from the Prime Minister and his ministers", he said: "In many ways the reason I’m here now is because of my own frustrations the dilemma that Brexit has imposed upon our island, particularly Northern Ireland, without its consent."

    Giving his take, that party's leader Colum Eastwood commented: "They do not care about people here, they don't care about people in Scotland, and they are determined to go on with the madness that is this Brexit.

    "Next week we will be dragged out of the European Union against our will, against the will of people here and people in Scotland. That's why it's important that we're here, that's why it's important that we're rejecting it."

    Looks like an independence referendum in northern ireland might be on the cards.


    https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...minster-talks/

    So much for keeping the union together. I hear there is talk about bringing back the sixth verse of the national anthem.
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    Bonnie Prince Charlie, the Young Pretender, invaded England in 1745, which is why the National Anthem was written that year in a fever of patriotic terror in London.

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    May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush,
    Rebellious Scots to crush,
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    Re: English independence

    You just could not make this stuff up could you?

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...ttee-1-6474994

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    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...sent-1-6480288

    So tell me why are the english or rather westminster establishment so terrified of thescots gettin independence. Actually it's not getting our independence it's taking back control.

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    So tell me why are the english or rather westminster establishment so terrified of thescots gettin independence. Actually it's not getting our independence it's taking back control.
    Just the sheer task, and costs of changing all the stationary and signage must be rather daunting.
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    Re: English independence

    The scotsman is a unionist paper. That's not actually true. The eu have made it clear the way would be open for us to continue our membership as we already comply with all eu rulesas part of the euany agreement with the UK would apply to us. Evewn thew spanish have stated they would have no objection despite rumpurs to the contrary.

    did you read the whole article?

    "Scotland would be in a unique position, having already been inside the EU. Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, the author of Article 50 and a former UK ambassador to the EU, has said an independent Scotland’s accession to the EU could be ‘very fast’.”"

    At the time of the 2014 referendum one of the main planks of the unionist argument was that leaving the UK also meant leaving the eu to maintain membershipm we would have to stay aspart of the UK. Now we are being dragged out against our will they were lying then they are lying now.

    The really interesting is why is westminster so terrified of us becoming independent if indeed as they claim we are subsidised by them. a simple fact check gives the lie to that one. Bear in mind scotland is not part of england but a seoerate country joined in a union with them back in 1707. Can you imagine the reaction if our oppressors the EU refused the UK permission to hold a referendum?

    It also seems likely a call for a unified ireland and reentry in to the eu woill be on the cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    The scotsman is a unionist paper. That's not actually true. The eu have made it clear the way would be open for us to continue our membership as we already comply with all eu rulesas part of the euany agreement with the UK would apply to us. Evewn thew spanish have stated they would have no objection despite rumpurs to the contrary.

    did you read the whole article?

    "Scotland would be in a unique position, having already been inside the EU. Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, the author of Article 50 and a former UK ambassador to the EU, has said an independent Scotland’s accession to the EU could be ‘very fast’.”"

    At the time of the 2014 referendum one of the main planks of the unionist argument was that leaving the UK also meant leaving the eu to maintain membershipm we would have to stay aspart of the UK. Now we are being dragged out against our will they were lying then they are lying now.

    The really interesting is why is westminster so terrified of us becoming independent if indeed as they claim we are subsidised by them. a simple fact check gives the lie to that one. Bear in mind scotland is not part of england but a seoerate country joined in a union with them back in 1707. Can you imagine the reaction if our oppressors the EU refused the UK permission to hold a referendum?

    It also seems likely a call for a unified ireland and reentry in to the eu woill be on the cards.
    Well, it seems timing is of the essence.
    If Scotland and N Ireland exit the EU with the Brexit, how long would they have to reconnect under the current rules, should they decide to bale out on the UK and settle back into the EU?

    It seems that Ireland would find the path much easier. They simply reunite with Ireland, already a Member.

    You Scots need to extract yourselves from the UK, and then negotiate a membership of your own.

    It is easy to talk about how easy it will be, but once all the politicians and lawyers get started on the paperwork, You could be facing Mt Everest.
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    Re: English independence

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    Well, it seems timing is of the essence.
    If Scotland and N Ireland exit the EU with the Brexit, how long would they have to reconnect under the current rules, should they decide to bale out on the UK and settle back into the EU?

    It seems that Ireland would find the path much easier. They simply reunite with Ireland, already a Member.

    You Scots need to extract yourselves from the UK, and then negotiate a membership of your own.

    It is easy to talk about how easy it will be, but once all the politicians and lawyers get started on the paperwork, You could be facing Mt Everest.
    We're already members by virtue of being part of the UK. We were told the only way to remain a member was not to leave the united kingdom (that was a lie by the way). The uk is a union of supposedly equal partners now we are being dragged out of the EU against our will and the westminster mafia want to prevent us having another vote on it. Quite frankly scottish independence terrifies them. We are not subsidied by england we get partial refund of the monies we pay to the treasury of a goveernment we have no ability to hold to account.

    As members of the eu it is the rest of the uk that will have ro deal with us as one of twenty seven members of the eu. Just look at the backing ireland received from the EU in these negotiations as opposed to us being totally excluded from any discussion with the eu about brexit.

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    Re: English independence

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    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...show-1-6494735

    Donald Tusk says plans for Scotland to rejoin EU would be welcomed 'enthusiastically'

    You have to laugh at the tories, look at what dominic rabb has to say.

    Speaking on the same show, foreign secretary Dominic Raab said the remarks were "un-European".

    "He said other EU countries dealing with independence movements could be against the inclusion of Scotland in the EU.

    "Given the secessionist, separatist tendencies in Spain, in France, in Italy, I'm not sure European leaders, let alone here in the UK, would actually welcome that kind of language.""

    Can you imagine what he would have said if the eu had refused to allow the UK a referendum. The simple fact seems to be england does not have the confidence to go it alone without scotland.

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