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    The nation's favourite hymns

    6. I Vow To Thee My Country

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49871456
    I Vow To Thee My Country, for those who live off-planet, starts as follows:

    I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above,
    Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love;
    The love that asks no questions, the love that stands the test,
    That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best;
    The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,
    The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.
    It is scandalous "my country right or wrong" jingoism at its coarsest, it is Boris Johnsonian from its roots to its eyeballs. It's what remains wrong with England. I'm horrified that it has just been voted sixth place in a poll to find the nation's favourite hymns. I'm horrified it even has a place at the Albert Hall every year.

    The lyrics are adapted from a poem which is, to be frank, poor counterfeit Kipling. Kipling did this sort of thing much more equivocally, he actually considered his words. Here's Sir Cecil Spring-Rice's original:

    I heard my country calling, away across the sea,
    Across the waste of waters, she calls and calls to me.
    Her sword is girded at her side, her helmet on her head,
    And around her feet are lying the dying and the dead;
    I hear the noise of battle, the thunder of her guns;
    I haste to thee, my mother, a son among thy sons.
    Anyone who reads that and fails to hear Kipling is tone-deaf. This is Kipling on the same theme with much the same rhythm:

    By the old Moulmein Pagoda, lookin' lazy at the sea,
    There's a Burma girl a-settin', and I know she thinks o' me;
    For the wind is in the palm-trees, and the temple-bells they say:
    "Come you back, you British soldier; come you back to Mandalay! "
    - which was, people might remember, just one of Boris Johnson's faux-pas while Foreign Secretary.

    Johnson’s impromptu recital was so embarrassing that the UK ambassador to Myanmar, Andrew Patrick, was forced to stop him. The incident was captured by a film crew for Channel 4 and will form part of a documentary to be broadcast on Sunday about the fitness of the MP for Uxbridge and South Ruislip to become prime minister.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...myanmar-temple
    You don't remember, but I remember. Once is enough.
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    It’s normal. You must provoke. You must insult the belief of all monotheists. You must make fun of the belief of all monotheists.
    From the upper tier of the Leppings Lane End of the Hillsborough Stadium, I watched the events of that day unfold with horror.
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    Re: The nation's favourite hymns

    Glad you said that I would be accused of being anti-english

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    Kipling 's apple and blackberry pies are gorgeous with spoonfuls of Devon clotted cream .

    Kipling thought he was a poet , but did not know it .
    He was a colonial bum and terribly twee .
    Which is why I would never invite him to tea .

    Publish please .

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    If you would like to discuss punctuation at any stage, do please ask.

    Similarly regarding computer security, your system is sufficiently unpatched that it is leaking private data to every site you visit. Not that I've pried, but my console alarms glow red whenever you touch the server.
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    Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game!

    The watch of your vision has become reasonable today.

    England's troubles will increase until the bishops open Joanna Southcott's box.
    It’s normal. You must provoke. You must insult the belief of all monotheists. You must make fun of the belief of all monotheists.
    From the upper tier of the Leppings Lane End of the Hillsborough Stadium, I watched the events of that day unfold with horror.
    When the flowers want to oxygen and nutrition, or you’re a wedding or party planner, I will help you too much.
    Write that word in the blood

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    I expect you were in a rush when you unintentionally invented the word , punctuation .

    I appreciate you meant punk tuition .

    But we are all very busy , and sometimes worrying too much about details sends a person

    stark staring mad .

    So don't forget your annual MOT .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael View Post
    I expect you were in a rush when you unintentionally invented the word , punctuation .
    On the contrary, I've spent a significant portion of my professional life distinguishing between content and layout.

    Both convey meaning. It's a question of whose choice is paramount, the browser's or the content creator's. The browser may have any number of special needs - blindness immediately springs to mind.

    The content creator should mark up her content in a meaningful way and may provide a default preferred layout showing her own aesthetic, but what she should never do is override the browser's layout preference if one is applied. The one technique which is universally deplored in markup circles is to vary the content to implement a layout override, least of all with the spacebar.
    Nullius in verba|||||||||||
    Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game!

    The watch of your vision has become reasonable today.

    England's troubles will increase until the bishops open Joanna Southcott's box.
    It’s normal. You must provoke. You must insult the belief of all monotheists. You must make fun of the belief of all monotheists.
    From the upper tier of the Leppings Lane End of the Hillsborough Stadium, I watched the events of that day unfold with horror.
    When the flowers want to oxygen and nutrition, or you’re a wedding or party planner, I will help you too much.
    Write that word in the blood

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    Check out your Humour Meter and Funny Bone .

    Don't be caught out trying to inadvertently outdo Captain Mainwearing .

    Nothing worse than being accused of being a boring old buffer .Or an OAP version of Mark Francois .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael View Post
    Nothing worse than being accused of being a boring old buffer .Or an OAP version of Mark Francois .
    I'm not sure how my age is significant.

    As regards your security issue, your operating system dates from September 2015. That's over four years back. The current release is a mere three weeks old and the upgrade is free.

    The supplied browser in the earlier release has allowed what I guess to be an adware extension to effectively broadcast your location within 5 metres every time you click any web page, assuming your service provider isn't offering default location values when you power up and acquire an IP address.

    The issue has long since been squashed but it does require the user to accept upgrades. In your position (50.8178 -0.1102 apparently) I'd upgrade rather than leak.

    I do wish people would listen rather than try to be humorous.
    Nullius in verba|||||||||||
    Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game!

    The watch of your vision has become reasonable today.

    England's troubles will increase until the bishops open Joanna Southcott's box.
    It’s normal. You must provoke. You must insult the belief of all monotheists. You must make fun of the belief of all monotheists.
    From the upper tier of the Leppings Lane End of the Hillsborough Stadium, I watched the events of that day unfold with horror.
    When the flowers want to oxygen and nutrition, or you’re a wedding or party planner, I will help you too much.
    Write that word in the blood

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    I have no security issue .Here or anywhere else .
    Never had and I am confident , never will .
    What are you referring to ?

    Have you been chatting to Mark again and he has blown a few of your circuits ?
    Guess so .

    Incidentally HRC loves ;-

    Onwards Christian Soldiers
    Marching off to war ( anywhere will do )

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    The utterly eccentric Sabine Baring-Gould certainly never wrote it so sloppily.

    Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war.

    "As to", you'll note. Important distinction.

    The "Christian soldiers" of the hymn were the Sunday School children of his parish and eccentric doesn't even begin to convey the chap but there were, very properly for a Christian processional, no actual soldiers. It was the tail end of the Crimean farrago and soldiers were definitely not the mode du jour. Some had even shot themselves rather than return home in such disgrace.

    Nobody would remember the hymn these days were it not for Arthur Sullivan's rollicking tune.
    Nullius in verba|||||||||||
    Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game!

    The watch of your vision has become reasonable today.

    England's troubles will increase until the bishops open Joanna Southcott's box.
    It’s normal. You must provoke. You must insult the belief of all monotheists. You must make fun of the belief of all monotheists.
    From the upper tier of the Leppings Lane End of the Hillsborough Stadium, I watched the events of that day unfold with horror.
    When the flowers want to oxygen and nutrition, or you’re a wedding or party planner, I will help you too much.
    Write that word in the blood

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