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    Re: The scandalous assassination of Joshua Brown

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    How does that work with your chart?
    Clearly my comment, "If the genders and ethnicities were reversed there would have been a significantly longer sentence, too", was a generalized statement about the statistics of American sentencing. What an empathic hug-prone judge does with a bible, or the composition of one jury, is irrelevant to my observation. The chart simply gives considerable support to what I wrote, because you asked how I knew it.
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    Re: The scandalous assassination of Joshua Brown

    We have a further news item.

    Joshua Brown, the slain Amber Guyger trial witness, was killed in a drug deal gone wrong, police say

    Brown was killed after an argument with one of three men from Louisiana who had met him in Dallas for a drug purchase, Moore told reporters.

    A conversation between Brown and Thaddeous Green, 22, escalated into a physical altercation in which Brown allegedly shot and wounded Jacquerious Mitchell, 20, according to Moore.

    Green then shot Brown twice, Moore said. Green took a backpack from Brown as well as the gun used to wound Mitchell.

    After receiving tips, police obtained a search warrant and recovered 12 pounds of marijuana, 143 grams of THC cartridges, and $4,000 in cash from Brown's apartment.

    "As you know, there's been speculation and rumors that have been shared by community leaders claiming that Mr. Brown's death was related to the Amber Guyger trial, and somehow the Dallas Police Department was responsible," Moore said.

    "I assure you that is simply not true. And I encourage those leaders to be mindful of their actions moving forward because their words have jeopardized the integrity of the city of Dallas as well as the Dallas Police Department."

    [...] Almost a year before he testified at Guyger's trial, Brown was wounded in a shooting at a Dallas strip club that left another man dead, police said.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/08/u...day/index.html
    That's the police side of things. There then follows comment from representatives of Mr Brown's family.

    Brown believed he was the target in that November 23 shooting and felt there were "still people out there who wanted to do him harm," said attorney S. Lee Merritt, who represents Brown's family.

    Merritt on Tuesday called for Dallas police to recuse themselves from the investigation into Brown's shooting.

    Brown's family, in a statement Tuesday, also asked the Dallas Police Department to turn the investigation over to an "alternate investigative agency."

    "This family and their representatives have consciously avoided speculating about law enforcement involvement in this tragedy, however, due to the proximity of this murder with the trial of Amber Guyger -- rumors abound, " Merritt said in the statement released on his Instagram page.

    "It is important for everyone involve(d) that this case not only be solved but the conclusions arrived to by investigators be seen as authentic and reliable."

    If anyone recalls the shootings at the Danziger Bridge in 2005, and the immediate farrago of lying which the entire police department engaged in, and the eventual revelation of what actually happened, I may be excused for not drawing any conclusion at this stage.

    It seems reasonable to claim on the basis of previous experience that the Dallas police have said exactly what they'd have said regardless of the actual facts, and that Dallas is blessed with more than enough armed drug dealers to find an unrelated shooting at about the same time and link them. Anyone feeling above the law and called to be judge, jury and executioner on account of pervasive villainy might follow pretty much the same course if they grew up on Batman comics.
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    Re: The scandalous assassination of Joshua Brown

    So, the guy was a drug dealer, and ended up on the wrong side of the wrong deal.
    But of course a lot of people will hold on to the conspiracy thing because it's so much more enticing that way.

    Kind of an Occam thing, though, dontcha think?
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    Re: The scandalous assassination of Joshua Brown

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    But of course a lot of people will hold on to the conspiracy thing because it's so much more enticing that way.

    Kind of an Occam thing, though, dontcha think?
    I agree with your position entirely, but exactly the same argument was put forward when accusations were made against the police after the shootings at the Danziger Bridge in 2005 if you remember. Spend a couple of minutes refreshing your memory at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17616965

    Perhaps you could consider the parallels and then tell me how they differ. If we can establish differences we can abandon my suggestion immediately.

    As for which suggestion is simplest, the idea that rogue police are routinely supported by their colleagues who ought to have learned better isn't just a possibility, it's a certainty. No police force has ever existed where it didn't happen. I've written a manifesto policy for rebuilding trust in the police, and it starts by having two forces one of which patrols the public and the other of which covertly patrols the first bunch, their sole job being to pro-actively watch and trip up corrupt serving officers and get them put in jail. Without that balance I don't see how anyone can trust the service. People trusted priests and look where that ended up.
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    Re: The scandalous assassination of Joshua Brown

    An afterthought, having brewed coffee.

    As for how police can go beyond their remit, some have the concept of the "perp" which is completely dehumanizing. When you have a national mindset that the correct post-apocalyptic approach to zombies is to plaster them with rapid fire, all you need is an attitude that the population at large, or suspects in cars, or refugees from Katrina crossing a bridge in floodwater, are a legitimate target, and hey presto. Dead people. The other thing you need is to think you'll never be held to account for it.

    As for colleagues lying after the event, I think it might be important to repost this clip from an earlier thread:
    New Orleans, La. --This morning members of the New Orleans Police Department issued an update regarding the attempted murder of a Deputy Sheriff with the St. Landry Parish Sheriff's Office, as well is seven members of the New Orleans Police Dept. The incident culminated into the shooting of six people, two of which were fatal. The ordeal occurred September 4, 2001, at approximately 9:00 a.m., on the Danziger Bridge, located in the 5800 block of Chef Menteur Highway near Downman Road.

    [...] As the officers drove into the area they were met with gunfire from, at least four suspects at the base of the bridge. The officers positioned themselves and began an exchange of gunfire. The gunmen, along with three other persons, totaling seven, jumped over the side of the concrete barrier onto a walkway, approximately three feet high, and continued the exchange of gunfire, when five persons were shot by officers.
    And those, as you will recall and as the police and Grand Jury accepted years later, were unarmed refugees in the middle of the Katrina aftermath trying to reach safety, one of whom was given a life sentence after perjured evidence.

    By all means apply Occam's Razor. Lying police institutionally backed up by their colleagues is a very simple evidence-based position to consider.
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    Re: The scandalous assassination of Joshua Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    An afterthought, having brewed coffee.

    As for how police can go beyond their remit, some have the concept of the "perp" which is completely dehumanizing. When you have a national mindset that the correct post-apocalyptic approach to zombies is to plaster them with rapid fire, all you need is an attitude that the population at large, or suspects in cars, or refugees from Katrina crossing a bridge in floodwater, are a legitimate target, and hey presto. Dead people. The other thing you need is to think you'll never be held to account for it.

    As for colleagues lying after the event, I think it might be important to repost this clip from an earlier thread:

    And those, as you will recall and as the police and Grand Jury accepted years later, were unarmed refugees in the middle of the Katrina aftermath trying to reach safety, one of whom was given a life sentence after perjured evidence.

    By all means apply Occam's Razor. Lying police institutionally backed up by their colleagues is a very simple evidence-based position to consider.
    It is quite a stretch to link the 2001 NOPD with Dallas PD of today. NOPD was under investigation long before the Bridge.
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    Re: The scandalous assassination of Joshua Brown

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    It is quite a stretch to link the 2001 NOPD with Dallas PD of today. NOPD was under investigation long before the Bridge.
    2005. It's a gap of 14 years and it was 6 years before the officers were dealt with, that's only 8 years ago.

    I'd regard it as an international generic policing problem rather than grading individual cities outstanding. We're talking more about individuals and whether they're backed up by individuals or steamrollered by vigilance from outside their circle of comfort, whether that's the public or their management.

    I do not hold out much trust in their management. I think management's first response it to circle the wagons and say their organization is spotless. Without challenge, that first statement is all there will be.
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    Re: The scandalous assassination of Joshua Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    Clearly my comment, "If the genders and ethnicities were reversed there would have been a significantly longer sentence, too", was a generalized statement about the statistics of American sentencing. What an empathic hug-prone judge does with a bible, or the composition of one jury, is irrelevant to my observation. The chart simply gives considerable support to what I wrote, because you asked how I knew it.
    Oh, I see, a government commission has come to conclusions. And that has to do with this particular case?

    UNITED STATES SENTENCING COMMISSION

    I have no idea how much taxpayer money is wasted for this farce, that nobody ever heard of.

    The Commission collects, analyzes, and distributes a broad array of information on federal sentencing practices.
    This is a local issue.

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    Re: The scandalous assassination of Joshua Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    This is a local issue.
    And you really think local courts are less influenced by gender or ethnicity than federal courts?

    I find it hard to believe you'd be so credulous.
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    And you really think local courts are less influenced by gender or ethnicity than federal courts?

    I find it hard to believe you'd be so credulous.
    What you presented is irrelevant to the case.

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