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    Re: Trump Pulling Back In Syria

    Honestly, I'm trying to understand what, exactly, America gets out of all the lives and treasure we have spent in that region.

    We don't need their oil anymore. I'd say it's time to abandon that entire part of the world.

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    Re: Trump Pulling Back In Syria

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    Honestly, I'm trying to understand what, exactly, America gets out of all the lives and treasure we have spent in that region.

    We don't need their oil anymore. I'd say it's time to abandon that entire part of the world.
    You have, for the first time in living memory, an isolationist President. What more could you want.
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    Re: Trump Pulling Back In Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_ View Post
    Honestly, I'm trying to understand what, exactly, America gets out of all the lives and treasure we have spent in that region.

    We don't need their oil anymore. I'd say it's time to abandon that entire part of the world.
    We buy the oil from them, so we can save our reserves for when the they hike the price. They can no longer hold us hostage with their oil. (for now)
    We also leave our oil in the ground while we take the Natural Gas.

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    https://www.hydrocarbons-technology....-gas-reserves/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr View Post
    He’s the leader of the most powerful state in the world, it’s his job to understand the issues before he acts.
    Aaaand by that definition he has never done his job correctly once...

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    You have, for the first time in living memory, an isolationist President. What more could you want.
    An isolationist president who is sane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_ View Post
    An isolationist president who is sane?
    The sane ones clearly don't want the job. Stands to reason.
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    Re: Trump Pulling Back In Syria

    So, has Trump trumped the Democrats, yet again? He's left them all exposed as the pro-endless-war mongers they've been since the Buba administration.

    With headlines like "Agreement to pause Turkey’s campaign in Syria destroys US credibility, top Democrats say, despite demanding it" and pieces like "Trump’s Ending of Wars Could Derail the Democrats" it's difficult for the Democratic party elites to escape a fate of possible irrelevancy.

    The only comments I recall from the last debate that echoed Trump's policy of ending these wars was from Bernie Sanders' passing comment, and of course, Tulsi Gabbard's shaming of her competitors. Granted, the links I've provided are from RT News, which often leans right, and Truthdig, which is pretty far left. Neither being read as much as the establishment media sites like NYT, WP, MSNBC, CNN, and others, where one will not find such honesty, but for those of us who look beyond establishment propaganda, it's eye-bulging stuff.
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    Re: Trump Pulling Back In Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    So, has Trump trumped the Democrats, yet again? He's left them all exposed as the pro-endless-war mongers they've been since the Buba administration.

    With headlines like "Agreement to pause Turkey’s campaign in Syria destroys US credibility, top Democrats say, despite demanding it" and pieces like "Trump’s Ending of Wars Could Derail the Democrats" it's difficult for the Democratic party elites to escape a fate of possible irrelevancy.

    The only comments I recall from the last debate that echoed Trump's policy of ending these wars was from Bernie Sanders' passing comment, and of course, Tulsi Gabbard's shaming of her competitors. Granted, the links I've provided are from RT News, which often leans right, and Truthdig, which is pretty far left. Neither being read as much as the establishment media sites like NYT, WP, MSNBC, CNN, and others, where one will not find such honesty, but for those of us who look beyond establishment propaganda, it's eye-bulging stuff.
    I am far more concerned with headlines such as,

    Trump hails a cease-fire deal with Turkey, but its effect was largely to mitigate a grave foreign policy crisis of his own creation.

    Fighting continues in spite of "Cease Fire" : AP journalists witness continued fighting in a northeast Syrian town at the center of the fight between Turkey and Kurdish forces, despite a U.S.-brokered cease-fire that went into effect hours earlier.

    White House shifts position on Ukraine (Mick Mulvaney, acting chief of staff, acknowledges that Trump’s decision to hold up military aid to Ukraine was linked to his demand that Kyiv investigate the Democratic National Committee and the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign.)

    These are from AP, not some political lackey rag.

    I am also concerned that with the US "pull-out" leaving a number of nuclear weapons in the hands of Erdogan.
    That is a pretty serious "WTF?!?"
    Erdogan: "I Don't Accept" Being Told Turkey Can't Have Nuclear Weapons
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    Re: Trump Pulling Back In Syria

    So, an observation from a fellow I have been following for a while:
    A ceasefire whereby Turkey and Russia get everything they want -- including the US abandoning the region -- and the Kurds being thrown off their land or slaughtered.

    Now, for this ceasefire to hold, Turkey's leader Erdogan said this morning: "It's the responsibility of the United States to ensure that Kurdish fighters withdraw in the 120-hour window."

    Ah.

    You see it, right?

    That's the Joker in the deck. Right there.

    It's the responsibility of the United States.

    The United States.

    It's our job to see all Kurdish fighters are removed from an area designated by Erdogan and Putin.

    Got it?

    And we have 5 days, 120 hours, to get it done -- using ... troops that have already retreated from the area and bombed their own bases, I guess.

    Or Turkey resumes its attack.

    So, when the Turkish slaughter resumes, and it will, it will be blamed on the United States for not evacuating these alleged fighters. That's right. And Russia and Turkey will justify it by pointing to Trump's comment that Turkey has a right to "clean out" the Kurds.

    Essentially what's happened here is that Trump sent Pence to Turkey to take responsibility for genocide and hand a brutal tyrant a get out of jail free card.
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    And the Donald is very proud of this "Cease-fire"
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    Re: Trump Pulling Back In Syria

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    Looking at it from a logical perspective: Many of us have said the U.S. has no business there. So now we'll see.

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