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    Re: Greta Thunberg Is Time's Person Of The Year for 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    FFS - this is absurd! You make the leap that since you've had certain discussions with others regarding climate change, that the posting of two photos taken 100 years apart without any background or explanation other than your post containing a reference of 100 years from someone completely ignorant of the subject matter says all that? Sorry dude, if this were a court of law you'd be admonished for leading the witness, not just leading, but testifying for the witness. Why is it left up to you to explain to the rest of us what TD is thinking? Isn't that what he should be doing?

    Give me a break! However, now I see a "yeah, what he said" cartoon coming.

    For all we know, given TD's reputation and past behaviors, I'd say he's making a case for landscaping or showing us the building he used to work in more so than anything else. He does have a tendency to conflate things that are foreign and out of context to discussions.
    Oh my.

    You really should mind that PWI.

    Given that he started that post by quoting my previous comment, it strikes me as fairly obvious that he posted those pics in response to my post - quoted here to save you floundering around looking for the tie-in

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    So, a hurricane is a natural event. IF you do not prepare for one when it is coming at you, it may not end well.

    The Natural Climate change would likely not be nearly as big a deal, if the last 100 years of Humans burning Petro Chemicals with impunity had not accelerated the process. And, if we continue on the same course for the next 100 years, our offspring may not like the world we will have made for them."

    You may wish to go back a couple or three posts prior to get the full conversation. It might help. And then, might I suggest that you read my response to that post with the pictures.( mean, the part AFTER I typed "An interesting point:"

    I think that following the whole converstion may clear up your confusion a bit.
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    Re: Greta Thunberg Is Time's Person Of The Year for 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    Oh my.

    You really should mind that PWI.
    That's your best defense? You project someone else's argument onto a poster that said nothing of the sort, and I'm drunk? Good one. I prefer encouraging standing on one's own rather than coddling them, Mommy Dearest.
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    Re: Greta Thunberg Is Time's Person Of The Year for 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    That's your best defense? You project someone else's argument onto a poster that said nothing of the sort, and I'm drunk? Good one. I prefer encouraging standing on one's own rather than coddling them, Mommy Dearest.
    So, does that mean you are NOT going to read the entire conversation?
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    So, does that mean you are NOT going to read the entire conversation?
    I already have. You clearly projected some else's argument onto TD's post. The question is...why. I suspect you needed to showcase some small bit of knowledge you've gained about climate change and ppm rhetoric. It makes no sense otherwise and we do behave in such a way that benefits us as individuals. I get it, we all like to appear smart. There's no shame in any of that, though in this particular case it encourages idiocy.
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    Re: Greta Thunberg Is Time's Person Of The Year for 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    I already have. You clearly projected some else's argument onto TD's post. The question is...why. I suspect you needed to showcase some small bit of knowledge you've gained about climate change and ppm rhetoric. It makes no sense otherwise and we do behave in such a way that benefits us as individuals. I get it, we all like to appear smart. There's no shame in any of that, though in this particular case it encourages idiocy.

    Umm, OK, Whatever you say, Boss.
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    Re: Greta Thunberg Is Time's Person Of The Year for 2019

    Look, if your boy is going to enter a discussion by insulting a 16-year-old female for being a bit emotional about a subject as vital as this one by calling her silly or stupid and then go about using unintelligible sentence fragments and unexplained photos to make some idiotic point that he's incapable of expressing in words, I'm going to call him on it since Greta isn't here to do that herself, though I suspect she'd make mincemeat of TD if she was here.

    You can try to defend or cover for TD's shameful posture if you like, but don't expect it to go unchallenged.
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    Re: Greta Thunberg Is Time's Person Of The Year for 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    Look, if your boy is going to enter a discussion by insulting a 16-year-old female for being a bit emotional about a subject as vital as this one by calling her silly or stupid and then go about using unintelligible sentence fragments and unexplained photos to make some idiotic point that he's incapable of expressing in words, I'm going to call him on it since Greta isn't here to do that herself, though I suspect she'd make mincemeat of TD if she was here.

    You can try to defend or cover for TD's shameful posture if you like, but don't expect it to go unchallenged.
    I do not see how you interpreted anything that I said as agreeing with or defending TD's posts.
    But I can tell by your rant that you actually read very little of the relevant conversation itself.

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    Re: Greta Thunberg Is Time's Person Of The Year for 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    An interesting point:
    If that second photo was taken in 2009, that was at about the point where the CO2 concentration reached the peak level as recorded via Ice Core Sample from Vostok in the last nearly 500 thousand years.
    We have no data to show what happens when the levels get that high. We have no record of that ever happening.

    We do know that the concentration level rise has accelerated phenomenally over the last 110 years.
    In 1810 the levels were at ~284 ppm
    In 1909, they were at 300 ppm - about 16 ppm more than 100 years before.
    in the next 100 years they increased to 387 ppm, as I pointed out earlier, that is near the highest we have seen in nearly half a millennium.
    In the last ten years, it has increased to 411 ppm, a change of 24 ppm, half again the change we saw in the hundred years prior to your first picture being taken.

    I suggest you might want to take another picture this year and then another each decade to come. It might be very interesting.
    Or not.
    I should have explained those pictures. I had an explanation but deleted it. In short, I was giving an example of the technological and societal advances/changes unimagined those 110 years ago.

    I have no idea of the actual date of that old picture of what the weather was like.

    Today few people own horses and they are not used on a daily basis. The streets are now paved and everybody has electrical power, the internet, etc.

    1920 census population 390 and now barely 100.

    My problem with the panic of weather change is all those who want to preach what we all should do/can about it.

    It is a global situation, there is no global concesus what if anything we can/do about it.
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    Re: Greta Thunberg Is Time's Person Of The Year for 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    I should have explained those pictures. I had an explanation but deleted it. In short, I was giving an example of the technological and societal advances/changes unimagined those 110 years ago.

    I have no idea of the actual date of that old picture of what the weather was like.

    Today few people own horses and they are not used on a daily basis. The streets are now paved and everybody has electrical power, the internet, etc.

    1920 census population 390 and now barely 100.

    My problem with the panic of weather change is all those who want to preach what we all should do/can about it.

    It is a global situation, there is no global concesus what if anything we can/do about it.
    there is a lack of consensus on whether there even is a problem. How, then, might we reach a consensus on what to do about it?

    Obviously reigning in the consumption of Fossil Fuels will end up being one major step, but to do so without compromising the reasonable quality of life for the 8-10 Billion people we will have soon is the real challenge.

    I believe that it's time to stop arguing about whether it is going to happen, and start arguing over what to do about it.
    Though, Most of us will likely never see the results of whatever action Humanity takes to deal with it. People like Greta and her generation will be the ones who face the full brunt of the impact our lack of decision for the last 40 years will have.

    She seems to know that, and that is why she seems so angry.
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    Re: Greta Thunberg Is Time's Person Of The Year for 2019

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    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    I should have explained those pictures. I had an explanation but deleted it. In short, I was giving an example of the technological and societal advances/changes unimagined those 110 years ago.

    I have no idea of the actual date of that old picture of what the weather was like.

    Today few people own horses and they are not used on a daily basis. The streets are now paved and everybody has electrical power, the internet, etc.

    1920 census population 390 and now barely 100.

    My problem with the panic of weather change is all those who want to preach what we all should do/can about it.

    It is a global situation, there is no global concesus what if anything we can/do about it.
    The only country denying that there is a problem and breaking the consensus is the good old USA. Whilst the world’s largest economy refuses to take action on the grounds that it will “damage American jobs” the rest of the world cannot take effective steps.

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