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    Re: Medical Reasons for Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by chonsigirl
    Life begins at conception, if she aborts, she murders her child.
    That is the black and white of it.
    In your opinion.
    I do think it's important to clarify that.

    Bez, I should amend my comments, too. It should depend on the relationship each person has with their parents whether or not they bring them into the equation. You handled the conversation with your daughter well, my mother would not have. Like most situations, each circumstance should be considered on a case-by-case basis.
    Obviously, each person would know best themselves whether or not to include their parents.
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    Re: Medical Reasons for Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by BabyRider
    Like most situations, each circumstance should be considered on a case-by-case basis.
    Obviously, each person would know best themselves whether or not to include their parents.
    I wholeheartedly agree....
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    Re: Medical Reasons for Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by LilacDragon
    Well, of course the man should be able to give his opinion. We let you have yours after all.
    So you agree that if a woman wants to abort (kill) the baby and the man does not, the woman must carry the baby to term?

    Quote Originally Posted by LilacDragon
    So, do you draw a line at all, or is abortion for any reason not an option? If the child will have major deformities (missing arms, legs) and will have limited brain function, should the mother still have this child?
    Ask the lady, a fellow Gardener, whose young son has Down's Syndrome that question. Or the parents of the young man born with useless legs (he had them amputated) I saw on 60 Minutes or one of its twins, who took a date to his high school prom. Or the young man born with half-length arms & legs, who made his high school varsity wrestling team. Personally, I think both parents of any child conceived of concentual sex should have veto power over the decision to abort.

    Quote Originally Posted by LilacDragon
    And if the mother has this child (that requires round the clock care) and the father of this child is either not present from the beginning or leaves the mother because he just can't take the stress of having to deal with the emotional and financial drain of both the child and now the mother - should the mother be able to collect welfare and every other type of financial support that the government has to offer so that she can stay home and care for this child?
    If either parent of any child can't - repeat can't - support his or her child, assistance is already in place. Can I infer from your statement that inferior babies must be aborted? Or that any inferior baby abandoned by the father should be post-natally aborted?

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    Re: Medical Reasons for Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by pina
    I think its down to each individual whether or not to abort, yes ask advice from friends and family but when it comes down to it, its the parents that have to raise that child to adulthood.....If it were me then after finding out all the details I could, and it was definate that the baby was going to be seriously handicapped or mentally retarded, the Yes I would abort, the simple reason is that, I know I couldn't look after and raise a child like that.... I so admire the people who do..... I do not take abortions lightly but in some circumstances I think its ok.
    What if you husband disagrees?

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    Re: Medical Reasons for Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Bez
    Geez....when's someone going to start some HAPPY stuff ????
    That's in the pub!

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    Re: Medical Reasons for Abortion

    while i appreciate all of your input i cant say i agree with all of it. I am pro choice/abortion. I think that there are far to many abused and neglected children in this world in the first place. I do not see how anyone could disagree and it is difficult for me to see the other side of this issue. The concept of life to me is when something//someone can survive outside the uterus. If you took a 6 week fetus out of the womb it would die. Period end of sentence. But eh, thats just me. I hate the blind people who see this issue as black and white. because it is not. If you are not able in anyway to care for a child physically emotionally or financially then in my oppinion you should not have that child. If you cannot see giving it up for adoption then you should abort. Why are you going to make an inncent child suffer because you are selfish. (yes i know that this can be turned around and argued for the other side. but as i have stated i do not believe life begins untill there is some self sustaining ability.)
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    Re: Medical Reasons for Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Accountable
    What if you husband disagrees?
    My husband and I will:

    A) already know each others views on abortion, and be compatible, and in agreement
    B) agree on whether there will be children to begin with
    C) have had the conversation about what would happen if we found out we were going to have a child with disablities.

    In other words, it would not be something that had to be worked out after the pregnancy was in place. It would be something that was already decided, long before the possibility of children.
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    Re: Medical Reasons for Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by TenneseeGirl
    while i appreciate all of your input i cant say i agree with all of it. I am pro choice/abortion. I think that there are far to many abused and neglected children in this world in the first place.
    Read this by itself. Doesn't it look barbaric?

    Quote Originally Posted by TenneseeGirl
    I do not see how anyone could disagree and it is difficult for me to see the other side of this issue. [...] I hate the blind people who see this issue as black and white. because it is not.
    Do you not understand you are being as blind as those you accuse of blindness?

    Quote Originally Posted by TenneseeGirl
    If you are not able in anyway to care for a child physically emotionally or financially then in my oppinion you should not have that child. If you cannot see giving it up for adoption then you should abort. Why are you going to make an inncent child suffer because you are selfish. (yes i know that this can be turned around and argued for the other side. but as i have stated i do not believe life begins untill there is some self sustaining ability.)
    I believe every choice has consequences, and every freedom has responsibility attached. The choice of having sex in the first place seems to get lost in this debate. The consequence of having sex is that the woman may get pregnant. The freedom to choose to have sex is attached to the responsibility to deal with the consequences of the child. The real selfishness comes when one chooses to have sex. The even more selfish choice is to destroy a life before it has a chance to grow up and make you proud that you've worked and sacrificed to raise a wonderful, mature, eloquent, free-thinking woman.

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    Re: Medical Reasons for Abortion

    Acc, here's a scenario for you:
    A young woman is living with a man. She is having sex with him, using condoms to prevent pregnancy and STD's. He is abusive, and a drunk. Somehow, despite all the girls efforts, she finds herself pregnant. It's not a good pregnancy, and she's bleeding quite a bit. She sees her Dr., who tells her, the pregnancy *might* be carried to term, no guarantees if the baby will be "normal" and no guarantees the girl will survive the pregnancy, let alone the delivery. She decides to abort the pregnancy.
    How do you view this person?
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    Re: Medical Reasons for Abortion

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    As some of you may know, I had a little baby premature....somewhere in that "gray" area....I was 20 weeks pregnant. Labor was 24 hrs. He came out squirming and grimacing. I held him for 2 hrs. He died in my arms that night. Just a little under a pound, almost a foot long, and yet so beautiful. One of God's miracles. My little Daniel. There isn't anything I wouldn't have given to be able to take my little boy home with me. But it wasn't to be. In the months that followed, many well-wishers said things like "Oh it was probably best--he may have been retarded", or "It was for the best--there was probably something wrong w/ him". These things broke my heart. I wanted to scream, "NO! I want my baby! I wanted him no matter what! I loved him unconditionally". And that is the bottom line here...its unconditional love. I love my little boy. He is in Heaven. Everybody needs to remember the love. I know Daniel would want it that way.

    Now fast forward to 3 months after his birth. I sat in the waiting room of the hi-risk pregnancy specialist and as I sat I watched a little boy making his way around the room talking to all of us waiting. He had thick glasses.....hearing aids in both ears, trouble walking, talking.......he was what some would describe as a "mess". So many problems. I silently thought "Oh that poor mother...the heartbreak she must suffer"........and suddenly a feeling came over me as if I was sent a message. NO! This mother was proud! How lucky she was to be able to say "MY SON! He made it".......I looked up and sure enough a beaming mother sat watching her son. I wanted to run over to her--tell her how fortunate she was. Her son had lived. Mine had died. But I knew she already knew. I hid my tears that morning for I had experienced a revelation.
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