Jives' Desktop Extravaganza

[Sheryl]

Wow Jives those were all really nice. Now gotta go back thourgh and pick out my favorite ones.

[AussiePam]

This newbie thanks you Jives for allowing me to view your treasures. Grin. I think my favourites are the Fall Colors, the Californian Wildflowers and the Escher Sailboats. Do you know Tinker air base? I've a friend in OKC who lives just by that. Lots of aussies get transferred there too, apparently. I can see you churning up a good Oklahoman lake. Grin. I've seen a bit of New Mexico. Santa Fe and Taos, Santa Rosa, Tucumcari. I was staying at the latter, and got up early one morning to go on my usual run - got back and found a local gas station which did coffee and told the bloke there that I was running early across country so as to avoid rattlesnakes in the cactus. I thought they only came out when it got hot.... One lives and learns. Anyway, no rattler got me that time. Maybe I was just too fast for them!!

[Bez]

Jives wrote: Here is a picture of some California wildflowers!


That is SO beautiful...lucky you to have scenery like that around you

[Bez]

Wonderful pictures Jives. Thanks for sharing. I bet there a several flying round the world right now and ending up on 'who know's whos' desktops.....pop back for mine later



Having looked at them all, the wild flowers and the sunset stand out for me.

[Hazel]

These are fantastic!!

I cant use them though, as my laptop is widescreen and they get all stretched, and it spoils them

[Jives]

Awww...I'm sorry to hear that, Hazel. Oh well, some might look Ok, like the flag or the sunset.

[Okie]

Jives wrote: Here is a picture of some California wildflowers!


That is a beautiful sight! Wow.

[AussiePam]

G'day Okie -- yep that's the one that first grabbed my eye too !! Awesome.

[Elouise]

Jives wrote: This is on my Home Page! http://fc.fms.k12.nm.us/~jives/


super!

[Elouise]

From Jon St. Ives:

Here is my entire lesson plan for the Pythagorean Theorem. Please feel free to use this in your class room, however I retain the rights to any use and the lesson may not be altered in any way. Please give me credit if you use it. I would greatly appreciate any feedback about the pros and cons of this lesson. I am always trying to improve my teaching and looking for new and innovative ways to

present material to my students.

Have fun! (I always dress up in a Toga and we fight this Battle around a giant triangle of masking tape in my room with foam rubber swords!)

[Image] I have developed an innovative method of teaching the Pythagorean

Theorem. My method combines the traditional formula with a full blown

re-enactment of a designed short story about the "Battle of Pythagorus". The

students combine theatrical and drama elements with mathematics to tell the

story of a young scholar called to save his country with his newly developed

mathematical formula. Items in the script are referred to using mnemonic

devices, such as the "Aay river" signifying the A side of a right triangle.

Traditional techniques such as worksheets and vocabulary strategies support

the drama of the actual re-enactment.

I have been using this method as a way to make a rather dry lesson extremely

fun and interesting for the last two years and have achieved incredible

success in the retention of the material by the students.( When it's fun and

entertaining, it's just easier to remember!)

I originated this method and wrote the short story myself. The combination

of the active participation and the directed reading/thinking assignments is

a departure from the normal repetitive drill approach of mathematics. Very

rarely is reading included in the math process, although it should have

major emphasis. To address this, I have also included several vocabulary

lessons of my own design.

In addition to the six tests that have included the formula in the

questions, many of the problems in Geometry require that the Pythagorean

Formula be used as a step towards finding the final answer. Students who

have been exposed to this approach consistently do well on test problems

including the formula. Over 90% of the students in the class have retained

the formula and used it to correctly answer questions using this formula.

Also, the conceptual leap from slant height to the Pythagorean Formula is

much easier for the students. (The ideas are the same ,but slant height has

to do with three dimensions instead of two.)

The exact numbers are a mean of 82.5% for students who did not act

out the story opposed to a mean test average of 93% for those who

did. This shows an increase of 11% in comprehension and ability.

I have enclosed the entire lesson plan. Also included are the worksheets and

vocabulary lessons to go along with the project.

Since the "Battle of Pythagorus" method concerns a lesson that is already

being taught in school classrooms, implementation will be very simple. The

materials only need to be replicated and distributed to the appropriate

teachers and classrooms. Materials needed for the project are common to all

schools in the District and are accessible to all teachers concerned.

Grade levels:

This lesson can be taught to either Algebra or Geometry classes. Since

this lesson is very basic and is the same in all standard textbooks it

may be used with any existing lesson plan or book. It will also work at

any school, except for possibly an alternative behavioral problem

class. The method does involve physical activity.

Students affected:

In our district alone, close to 4,200 students could be exposed to this

method.

Current Implementation:

This method is not currently being implemented in other classrooms.

Teacher Training:

Since the method uses techniques that are familiar to teachers in new

and different ways, very little training would be required. The

training could be recieved at a formal seminar during regularly

scheduled In-Service Training days.

Time Line:

The method could be distributed within a month to all existing

classrooms and teachers.

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The Battle of Pythagorus

by: Jon St. Ives

READING ACTIVITY:

Designed short story:

The Battle of Hypotenuse

Long ago,Two thousand three hundred years ago to be exact, a young man

very much like you, sat in a room very much like this one.(except

without electricity and carpeting!) His name was Pythagorus.

In those days, there were very few choices of occupations. A young man

could join the army;(a good career, but a short one for some men!); he

could be a farmer;( you ate well, but it was very boring); or a young

man could be a scholar. The scholars had the best life because the

state looked out for them and fed them. Pythagorus was in the army, but

he wanted to be a scholar! He thought,

"Then all I'll have to do is sit around all day thinking and

inventing! Won't that be the life!"

About this time, the neighboring army of Geometrica, across the Aay

river, decided to invade Pythagorus' home town of Hypotenuse. The

Hypotenusian army, warned of the planned invasion by it's spies,

prepared to defend the South pass. Even though they were outnumbered 10

to 1, the Hypotenusian commander was confident they could hold the

pass. He told his troops,

"It's a narrow pass. The Geometricans will have to come at us

in a straight line. That will give us a tremendous

advantage!"

. The battle of the South pass was a vicious and horrible one!! When

the battle smoke had cleared, the Geometrican army had withdrawn,

realizing that they could not take the pass. Instead ,they decided to

backtrack to the Aay river, cross at the North bridge and invade

Hypotenuse from around the Cie desert to the North.

The Hypotenusian commander was very worried. He cried,

"There is no way we can catch them, we do not have the

resources to cross the Cie desert! Hypotenuse is doomed!!"

Now, our young hero Pythagorus had been in the battle and he had an

idea. He had been working with the recently discovered "three-sided

figure" which everyone was now calling the Right Triangle. He was positive

that there was a a relationship between the legs (the two short sides

of the triangle) and the hypotenuse (the longest side). He tried adding

the sides first, but that didn't work. Then he tried dividing the two

sides, but that didn't work either. Finally, he tried squaring

(multiplying a number by itself). Eureka! Cool, man!! When he squared

the lengths of the two short sides and added them together, the answer

was the same as the length of the longest side squared. He wrote down

his theorum in this way:

A squared+ B squared = C squared

Where A and B are the two legs and C is the hypotenuse.

Pythagorus had his breakthrough! Now all he needed was a chance to use

it and prove himself. So, Pythagorus went to the commander of his army

with his idea.

"I can calculate the distance across the Cie desert from our

position, Sir!", stated Pythagorus.

"How is this possible?", his commander asked.

"Through the miracle of the new mathhematics formula I have

just invented!", replied Pythagorus.

"Allow me to explain, Sir. The distance from the South pass

to the Aay river is three miles and the distance from the

South bridge to the North bridge is four miles. First, I will

square the distances of the short sides and add them

together. Then, I'll take the square root of the answer and

we will know the distance across the Cie desert!"

"If we can get to the North bridge first, we can hold off the

invasion and save Hypotenuse!", his commander said

thoughtfully.,br> "Well?!, what are you waiting for? Do the

math!"

Pythagorus added the square of three (nine) to the square of four

(sixteen) and got twenty five.

"The square root of twenty five is five since five times five

is twenty five," calculated Pythagorus, "so the Cie desert

must be five miles across!"

"By jove! We may be able to make it that far, if we use half

our force and take all the provisions that we can carry!"

exclaimed his commander!

So the Hypotenusian army cut straight across the desert and reached the

North bridge first! Again,they were able to hold off the Geometrican

army with a small force and a desparate battle.Finally, Hypotenuse was

saved!

When they returned, Pythagorus was a hero and was rewarded with the

scholarship that he had always wanted. Thanks to Pythagorus, many

engineering feats of today,including the design of many of our bridges

and skyscrapers, are possible. That is why his theory became the most

famous theorum in all of history!

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ANTICIPATION STEP:

Prereading activity #1:

"Two thousand three hundred years is a very long time! That's

Twenty three centuries! It's Two hundred and thirty decades!!

Wouldn't you like to be remembered for that amount of time? Well,

a young lad just like you invented a theorum that long ago, and we

still remember him and use his formula today! Maybe someday you'll

invent something important. If He could do it so could you!

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VOCABULARY STEP:

Prereading activities:

Vocabulary strategies for Pythagorean Theorum lesson

The following words have been identified as possible trouble spots ,due

to the fact that they can be classified as obsolete, colloquial, or

scientific and technical terms:

* leg

* squared

* right triangle

* angle

* theorum

* hypotenuse

* scholars

* tremendous

* square root

* vicious

* confident

* degrees

* Eureka

* backtrack

Catagory 1:

Obsolete words-

Eureka- This word is not in the student's listening vocabulary. The

teacher should equate this word with it's modern day equivalents such

as "Holy smokes", and "Ai Carumba!"

Backtrack- This word is not familiar, although students know the

concept. Since the concept dates back to the days of animal tracking,

bring Wild West examples into the lesson.

Scholars- Teach the meaning definition of this word. Students will see

this word often in the future. Stress should be placed on the fact that

this was the original use of the word. The root word of "school" can be

introduced as a place where people go to think.

Catagory 2:

Descriptive colloqial words-

These words are probably not in the vocabulary of an immature

reader.

Tremendous- Use examples dealing with something motivational to the

students. "I had a tremendous amount of steak to eat last night." or

"That was a tremendous amount of money."

Vicious- vivid word pictures can be painted with this adjective. " The

vicious hound chased the young girl", or The vicious football game went

on, as player after player was injured."

Catagory 3:

Scientific and technical terms-

These terms shold be defined very precisely in the terminology of

previously learned terms.

Legs- the two shorter sides of a three-sided figure

Hypotenuse- the longest side of a three-sided figure

Angle- the corner formed when two rays meet(from previous lesson)

Degree- a unit of measure for angles. There are 360 degrees in a

circle.

Right triangle- a three sided figure containing three angles, one of

which measures 90 degrees.

Squared- multiplying a number by itself. This is equal to raising the

number to the second power.

Square root- the opposite of squaring. In this process, a number is

separated into the two identical factors known as "roots" Analogy: Just

as a tree comes from the roots, so does the squared number come from

the square roots.

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Vocabulary Worksheet Number One

Unscramble the sentences:

Rewrite using the correct bold word.

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* The athletic lady had a very well developed hypotenuse

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* The longest side of the triangle was the Eureka.

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* When the miner struck gold he shouted, "Vicious!"

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* The legs dog attacked the innocent child.

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* The robbers got away with a theorum amount of money.

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* A mathematically proven concept is a tremendous.

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MATCHING:

Match the following definitions to the proper vocabulary words.

Definition Vocabulary Word

1. The longest side of a triangle________________ a. legs

2. The two short sides of a triangle______________ b. triangle

3. The unit of measure of an angle______________ c. squared

4. A three-sided figure_______________________ d. backtrack

5. A number times itself______________________ e. square roots

6. The opposite of squaring___________________ f. hypotenuse

7. People who think for a livin_________________ g. Scholars

8. to go over an area twice____________________ h. degree

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Vocabulary Worksheet Number Two

Think of all the words that are similar to the word listed below:

Insert word of choice

Write a sentence about three of the words. Try to pick exciting and

interesting examples!

1. -----------------------------------------------------------------------

2. -----------------------------------------------------------------------

3. -----------------------------------------------------------------------

What three words would be the opposite of "vicious"?

1. ----------

2. ----------

3. ----------

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Worksheet Number Three

List fifteen modern words that could be used instead of the word:

EUREKA!

1. ________________

2. ________________

3. ________________

4. ________________

5. ________________

6. ________________

7. ________________

8. ________________

9. ________________

10. ________________

11. ________________

12. ________________

13. ________________

14. ________________

15. ________________

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Structured Overview

CONCEPT 1

A triangle has three sides

CONCEPT 2

A right angle equals ninety degrees

CONCEPT 3

A right triangle is a triangle with one ninety degree angle

CONCEPT 4

The legs of a triangle are the two shortest sides (designated as A and

B)

CONCEPT 5

The hypotenuse of a triangle is the longest side (designated as C)

CONCEPT 6

Squaring is the process of multiplying a number by itself

example- 9x9=81

CONCEPT 7

The square root of a number is one of two identical factors of the

number

example- 49 =7

MAIN FORMULA (Pythagorean Theorum)

A + B = C

The sum of the lengths of the two short sides squared equals the

longest side squared

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Distribute Vocabulary study guide:

Review and learn each vocbulary word(See vocabulary handout). This will be

followed by squaring practice, in the form of a prereading five question

quiz:

QUIZ 1

1. What is the product of 5 times 5?

2. What is the square of 5?

3. Name one triangle that you see every day!

4. What is the name of the long side of a right triangle?

5. What is the name of the short side of a triangle ?

The first three questions are designed to show the relationship

between multiplication and squaring as a review for students. The

other two questions talk about the parts of a triangle. An added

strategy would be to ask the students which side of their triangle

would be the hypotenuse.

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Teacher Directed Exercises

1. Would Pythagorus' army have made it to the North bridge in this example?

2. How about this one?

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Unit Test

(Post-reading activity#1)

1. What was Pythagorus' great idea?

2. Why did Pythagorus want to be a scholar?

3. What people of today are like the scholars of long ago?

4. Critical thinking: Would Pythagorus' theorum work with a non-right

triangle? Why or why not?

5. If the length of the legs of the "Battle of Hypotenuse" triangle were

six and eight, and Pythagorus' army could only cross ten miles of

desert maximum, would they be able to cross?(yes or no)

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Denoument

(post reading activity #2)

The students will act out the "battle of Hypotenuse" on a triangle

of masking tape placed on the floor of the classroom.

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Vocabulary Handout

Key Terms

1. EUREKA-

o An exclamation of joy!! example: The miner shouted "Eureka!", when

he struck gold.

2. TREMENDOUS-

o A very large amount. example: That was a tremendous load of dirt.

3. BACKTRACK-

o To retrace an area. example: The climber backtracked along the

trail.

4. ANGLE-

o A figure formed by the meeting of two rays.

5. TRIANGLE-

o A three-sided closed figure containing three angles.

6. RIGHT TRIANGLE-

o A triangle where one of the three angles measures ninety degrees.

7. DEGREES-

o The unit of measure of angles and circles. There are 360 degrees

in a circle.

8. LEGS-

o The two shorter sides of a triangle

9. HYPOTENUSE-

o The longest side of a right triangle.

10. SQUARED-

o The process of multiplying a number by itself. example: 1x1=1,

2x2=4, 3x3=9, etc. . .

11. SQUARE ROOT-

o The opposite of the squaring function

12. CONFIDENT-

o very sure. example: I was confident you could learn!!

13. SCHOLAR-

o In ancient terms, a man who studied all day for a living. This is

where the word school came from.

14. THEORUM-

o A mathematically proven formula.



Bibliography

1. Eric Hobson; R. Baird Shuman; NEA Professional Library; "Reading And

Writing In High Schools: A Whole Language Approach"; 1990

2. Irene M. Reiter, Ph.D; George D. Spache, Ph.D; Polaski Company, Inc;

"Why Can't They Read It?; How To Teach Reading In Content Areas", 1974

3. Marian J. Tonjes, Miles V. Zintz; WCB Group; Teaching

Reading,Thinking,and Study Skills; 1981; Pg. xviii

4. Marian J. Tonjes, Miles V. Zintz; WCB Group; Teaching

Reading,Thinking,and Study Skills; 1981; Pg. xiii



Super lesson plan...I loved it. Thanxx Jon.

[abbey]

Why did you post this, what's your point????

[Elouise]

abbey wrote: Why did you post this???


for general information...it's very good and informative for Pythagorean freaks.

It shouldn't be buried.

Also see my comment on the bottom...



This thread is for individuals interested in Art.

Here's Jon at his desk where he teaches a Remedial Transition course for kids...

I wanted to see what Jives looked like. He posted it, so I don't think he would mind.











If yer wondering if I know Jives, I don't. I'm doing a bit of searching and detective

work on my own, since I like to come to my own opinions and conclusions about a

person and wonder what makes a person tick.

I don't mind answering your politely worded question, Abbey, there, ole girl....

I hope that is openly plain enough for ya....

[Elouise]

abbey wrote: Why did you post this, what's your point????


Oh...I see you did a little bit of an edit up there with a bunch of question marks.

Am I to believe you are upset with my free roaming and decision-making ability of where I go and what I do and say on the forum?

Don't be Abbey, I'm not gonna let the big monster out of his cage..I'll leave that

up to you and whoever else that wishes to construe yer own perceptions...

you can handle yer own damage control. I see Jives is still a member here...

[Okie]

AussiePam wrote: G'day Okie -- yep that's the one that first grabbed my eye too !! Awesome.
Yep, you are a bit too fast for American rattlers. Heee. I guess dodging them Eastern Browns down under is good practice. Hey, you have a birthday coming up. I sent you a card but its gonna get there late. got any plans? Champers and cake? Maybe go visit the Uni?

We are going to have a barbie at a friends house. Well today we will have one here too. Porterhouse steaks.

Might get me a different car today or in the next day or two. Not brand new tho.

[abbey]

Elouise wrote: Oh...I see you did a little bit of an edit up there with a bunch of question marks.

Am I to believe you are upset with my free roaming and decision-making ability of where I go and what I do and say on the forum?

Don't be Abbey, I'm not gonna let the big monster out of his cage..I'll leave that

up to you and whoever else that wishes to construe yer own perceptions...

you can handle yer own damage control. I see Jives is still a member here...I have no beef with you or anyone else on FG, just wondered that's all.

Just seemed to me that you was stirring a little trouble.

[AussiePam]

Thanks Okie. I'll look forward to the card!! Jen's back in hospital, so life is on hold again here. But I'm thinking of just vanishing for a few hours in the morning - might go and have a swim or something. Take care!!

[Crème brûlée]

[Okie]

AussiePam wrote: Thanks Okie. I'll look forward to the card!! Jen's back in hospital, so life is on hold again here. But I'm thinking of just vanishing for a few hours in the morning - might go and have a swim or something. Take care!!
Yes!! I would tell you not to go into the sea too early and make a sharks dinner but I know you . I have been having a time with the power blowing out three times. I heard a transformer blow outside. Oh well.

Just had a manwich. Hamburger meat with sort of barbie sauce on a bun. I have Dustins little dog now. He is well behaved is is lying there watching me.

Sorry Jen is back in the hospital.

[AussiePam]

Okie is entirely cute, Snoozie!! Grin.

[chonsigirl]

Are you BBQ-ing for Labor Day, Okie?

[Okie]

SnoozeControl wrote: I always laugh when you post 'heee'... that's so cute.
Hey Snooze. I thought you had a hidey hole or something. then I read you are into a tiff with management? whats the scoop??

[Okie]

chonsigirl wrote: Are you BBQ-ing for Labor Day, Okie?
Probably will. We are doing one today and tomorrow so maybe Labor day too.

MY daughter just stocked up the freezer with all sorts of meat.

[Okie]

AussiePam wrote: Okie is entirely cute, Snoozie!! Grin.
:-4 Woooo, Pam. You got me embarrassed.

[Elouise]

Jives, yer almost 50 or are...? ....where you hiding that Camaro? How long you been teaching transitional remedial. I have a very good friend who just last year

put his son into a similar program at a public school and his grades skyrocketed.

He supposedly has the dreaded ADD ..but because all the material is presented in entirely different ways other than the humdrum...the pace is much faster in "fun, fast, informative with humor" the dryest of information is retained...Great connectivity, and the kids love it. In fact, some mainstreaming kids in the public school are signing up for the class with good grades.

Good on ya.

You know, curioser...

I wonder why many think yer a dirtbag. A dirtbag doesn't usually take on remmies and is simultaneously, an internet jerk.

[abbey]

What's a remmy?

[Okie]

SnoozeControl wrote: I think we've worked it out. And it wasn't a problem with management, he's a very nice guy.
Ah, OK. Glad you got it worked out.

I once went to a chat room that had so many fights we just had to leave. Posers were a bit of a problem but some just lurked and then trashed the room with multiple postings and making all fonts huge or bright red etc. We went to a new one and we made a rule to keep politics out. There are sites that like to argue so thats fine there.

[Okie]

SnoozeControl wrote: What'dya mean?:-2
Heeeeee. Love it. But I meant that somehow they could change posts that were already there to make the whole room red and like that. I dont know how they did it.

[spot]

SnoozeControl wrote: Is there a point to this? You can just PM him with your admiration and regards, you know.She's never been introduced, there are limits to what someone can do socially. Discuss on an existing thread, fair enough. PM out of the blue, totally out of order.

[spot]

SnoozeControl wrote: Please stop chastising me.It would never cross my mind that you might benefit from it.

[Elouise]

SnoozeControl wrote: Is there a point to this? You can just PM him with your admiration and regards, you know.


Now here we go again...people I don't even know, questioning my rights within

a "FORUM" who I address....how I address people, and why.

Pay particular attention to 'b.'...

Why I ask questions on the public forum is pretty much self-evident.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Origin: 1425–75; late ME b. A public meeting place for open discussion.

A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper or radio or television.



c. A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.

A court of law; a tribunal.



[Middle English, from Latin. See dhwer- in Indo-European Roots.]

[spot]

It must be said, in Elouise's defence, that she has a thunderingly legitimate interest in Jives after all that happened this week. Let her analyse, why not - a new perspective might help everyone here, even Jives himself.

[Elouise]

Jives wrote: My best Sunset Pic!


I am definitely on this one with you. This could be the ultimate sunset...but I always believe we just should not categorize the 'best'..shortens our far-reaching horizons.



What do you think, Spot?

[spot]

Elouise wrote: What do you think, Spot?I think you're going to get such a slapping if you keep needling poor Snooze, she's had a bad weekend and you're turning into a nightmare for her. If we all re-holster our handguns and start talking fish recipes we might return to the quiet contemplative board we all so enjoy, and you can bask with us in the light of occasional sermons and dry analyses of the situation in Gaza.

I do sermons sometimes, people fall asleep after my "fifthly" paragraph.

[spot]

SnoozeControl wrote: Oh. Was it needling me? I couldn't tell since it meandered all over the freaking forum.That's surely still an attempt at inflammation, I thought we were going to behave ourselves?

[spot]

SnoozeControl wrote: Was it my use of the word 'freaking'?It was your following her to carry on your argument, mostly. Not wise given admin's sticky, I thought.

[Elouise]

SnoozeControl wrote: Oh. Was it needling me? I couldn't tell since it meandered all over the freaking forum.

I'll try to be more annoyed just to humor it, alias "the growth."


First of all, Snoozie...you came at me in Jives thread demanding information, and

frankly, you don't have right to demand anything of me about anything....

Secondly, if you've been informed I'm here solely for your pleasure to wind you

up, yer sadly mistaken.

AND...if you have any balls you will name your informant....if he/she even exists....:rolleyes:

Thirdly, you follow me around the forum and post where I'm posting,..what for?

You another one of those individuals who need constant reassurance about your real purpose in life?....I'm not posting about you...get the hell off my block and go bother someone else. Realize this...I don't know you, I don't

think about you, I don't even care if you even exist....

and, SPot... I have no desire to "needle" dear old snooze control....if that is your assumption...you've been mistaken.

What is it with you, Snoozie...you attack me, and when I respond to your dimwittedness psychosis...in this very thread, you then claim I attack you and it's "ALL OVER THE FORUM"...

Do you drink?

Get your own posting life somewhere else....go follow your destiny...shoo...

[Elouise]

Elouise wrote: I am definitely on this one with you. This could be the ultimate sunset...but I always believe we just should not categorize the 'best'..shortens our far-reaching horizons.



What do you think, Spot?




I was asking you about the Sunset..you likey?

[anastrophe]

for those who may be interested in doing some searching and detective work, in order to come to their own opinions and conclusions about jives, one may find useful the very helpful 'similar threads' section at the very bottom of the page, where the system has conveniently placed the 'gin blossoms and jives' thread as the foremost similar topic. reading it will provide some interesting background on the matters under investigation.