Asteroid in Cyberspace?

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Mon May 07, 2012 7:30 pm

Literally, no asteroid will collide with planet earth I assure you. It`s not coming from the outside but from within. This asteroid is a bomb-a cataclysmic bomb that will devastate your favorite websites, facebook, twitter, etc. If that`s the case no more casino slots to enjoy.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Mon May 07, 2012 7:36 pm

The Wormwood Asteroid

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Post by **spot** » Mon May 07, 2012 11:54 pm

rajakrsna;1393197 wrote: Literally, no asteroid will collide with planet earth I assure you.This assurance presumably involves a foreknowledge of the future on your part. Does it come from personal foresight or is it out of a book of predictions you particularly recommend?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Tue May 08, 2012 3:57 am

chuckle. We seem to be getting to the point where some religious nutter or other is predicting Armageddon for every day. Probably booked up til the year 3000 by now.

Think I'll book 1st Jan 3000. That's 1 and 3, which is 13, which is unlucky. Also, if you add 1 three times to 3 you get 6, and three 6's are 666 which is the Number of the Beast.

So it must be true!

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Tue May 08, 2012 8:18 am

spot;1393200 wrote: This assurance presumably involves a foreknowledge of the future on your part. Does it come from personal foresight or is it out of a book of predictions you particularly recommend?

The graphic images you saw ( video ) are all made up by the collective mind to project this doomsday scenario. But in the Vedic sastras, there`s not a verse that the prediction ( meteor revelation, etc ) will come true. What is absolutely true is when Krishna said he`ll descend on planet earth in the form of an avatar ( Kalki ) time after time to restore the principles religion, protect his devotees & annihilate the miscreants.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Tue May 08, 2012 8:32 am

Clodhopper;1393209 wrote: chuckle. We seem to be getting to the point where some religious nutter or other is predicting Armageddon for every day. Probably booked up til the year 3000 by now.

Think I'll book 1st Jan 3000. That's 1 and 3, which is 13, which is unlucky. Also, if you add 1 three times to 3 you get 6, and three 6's are 666 which is the Number of the Beast.

So it must be true!

I know you love numbers. But my favorite number is 13 not because I was born on figure 13 but on 11.03. The figures 666 is simply a metaphor for sex.sex.sex. When God comes in the form of a Kalki avatar the first thing he will do is blast to smithereens the pornographic planet websites, casino websites except poker ( smiling ), etc. in cyberspace.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 08, 2012 9:24 am

rajakrsna;1393231 wrote: When God comes in the form of a Kalki avatar the first thing he will do is blast to smithereens the pornographic planet websites, casino websites except poker ( smiling ), etc. in cyberspace.And why should we humans tolerate this inhuman bullying, if it happens? What makes this external independent God a better judge than anyone else when it comes to human affairs?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Tue May 08, 2012 10:05 am

rajakrsna;1393231 wrote: I know you love numbers. But my favorite number is 13 not because I was born on figure 13 but on 11.03. The figures 666 is simply a metaphor for sex.sex.sex. When God comes in the form of a Kalki avatar the first thing he will do is blast to smithereens the pornographic planet websites, casino websites except poker ( smiling ), etc. in cyberspace.

I have many vices, but gambling is one of the few I've managed to avoid.

I was joking with the numbers. I think numbers are simply numbers. Though I've always had a soft spot for pi and the square root of minus 1.

(ps - I am an agnostic)

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Tue May 08, 2012 10:29 am

spot;1393235 wrote: And why should we humans tolerate this inhuman bullying, if it happens? What makes this external independent God a better judge than anyone else when it comes to human affairs?

Krishna loves cows. We should stop killing cows for food. Cows`s milk benefits us all. There are other sources of food for man to eat in order to survive. Man can survive by eating rice, wheat, soya as source of protein, sea foods, etc.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Tue May 08, 2012 10:34 am

Clodhopper;1393242 wrote: I have many vices, but gambling is one of the few I've managed to avoid.

I was joking with the numbers. I think numbers are simply numbers. Though I've always had a soft spot for pi and the square root of minus 1.

(ps - I am an agnostic)

It`s alright if you are an agnostic. I have friends here who are. Like Snyder & co. I have learned to love them for what they are. Something things never change, you know.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 08, 2012 12:44 pm

rajakrsna;1393244 wrote: Krishna loves cows. We should stop killing cows for food. Cows`s milk benefits us all. There are other sources of food for man to eat in order to survive. Man can survive by eating rice, wheat, soya as source of protein, sea foods, etc.

I've no reason to disbelieve what you say but that's not to the point. You told us that when God comes in the form of a Kalki avatar the first thing he will do is blast to smithereens the pornographic planet websites, casino websites except poker ( smiling ), etc. in cyberspace, and I asked why we humans should tolerate such inhuman bullying if it happens. The pros and cons of milk consumption has nothing to do with the destruction you promise or my reaction to it.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Tue May 08, 2012 4:27 pm

spot;1393259 wrote: I've no reason to disbelieve what you say but that's not to the point. You told us that when God comes in the form of a Kalki avatar the first thing he will do is blast to smithereens the pornographic planet websites, casino websites except poker ( smiling ), etc. in cyberspace, and I asked why we humans should tolerate such inhuman bullying if it happens. The pros and cons of milk consumption has nothing to do with the destruction you promise or my reaction to it.

There`s war in cyberspace between the good & evil. Krishna`s on the side of the good. It`s not Krishna who does the blasting to smithereens the pornographic & gambling sites created by the asuras but Krishna`s greatest devotee Siva-the demigod in charge of destroying the miscreants. But there are instances Krishna has to do the killing himself e.g. Krishna killing Kansa. With regards to cows if humans stop killing cows Krishna will also stop this inhuman bullying you`re implying. It`s tooth for a tat, a tit for a tooth, so to speak..

Post by **spot** » Tue May 08, 2012 10:32 pm

Ah. Well yes, if you're an adherent of the "good vs evil" philosophy then there's no way of helping you really, you're stuck with that. Bad luck. The rest of us can only sympathize with your problem while remaining faintly disgusted with this "God" notion you're peddling.

You show me one of these external independent Gods and I'll try to kill it for you, that's the best I can offer. They seem indistinguishable from parasitic vermin.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Wed May 09, 2012 1:56 am

Ah well. Metaphysical asteroid or actual Armageddon...

There's nothing we can do about it either way, so just keep buggering on!

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Wed May 09, 2012 8:52 am

spot;1393277 wrote: Ah. Well yes, if you're an adherent of the "good vs evil" philosophy then there's no way of helping you really, you're stuck with that. Bad luck. The rest of us can only sympathize with your problem while remaining faintly disgusted with this "God" notion you're peddling.

You show me one of these external independent Gods and I'll try to kill it for you, that's the best I can offer. They seem indistinguishable from parasitic vermin.

So, there you are. The key word is transcend. If one happens to transcend this duality & situated in his original position as servant of God then he is called a liberated soul. A liberated soul`s only business is to please the One who sent him. & spread the Good News of Salvation according to His words.

Post by **spot** » Wed May 09, 2012 9:50 am

rajakrsna;1393300 wrote: So, there you are. The key word is transcend. If one happens to transcend this duality & situated in his original position as servant of God then he is called a liberated soul. A liberated soul`s only business is to please the One who sent him. & spread the Good News of Salvation according to His words.All I hear there is exclusivist power language. Exclusivist power language should have no place in any religious philosophy. I can't imagine any external independent God which isn't inherently and invariably demonic by its very nature, were such a thing to exist, which fortunately we have no conceivable evidence for. What we have are priestly power structures and deliberately invented fairy stories, among which "annihilate the miscreants" is all to frequently to be found. Language like that is the province of insanity, not any valid aspect of religion.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Wed May 09, 2012 1:02 pm

spot;1393305 wrote: All I hear there is exclusivist power language. Exclusivist power language should have no place in any religious philosophy. I can't imagine any external independent God which isn't inherently and invariably demonic by its very nature, were such a thing to exist, which fortunately we have no conceivable evidence for. What we have are priestly power structures and deliberately invented fairy stories, among which "annihilate the miscreants" is all to frequently to be found. Language like that is the province of insanity, not any valid aspect of religion.

As I said cow slaughter is the cause of it all.

Post by **spot** » Wed May 09, 2012 1:12 pm

rajakrsna;1393311 wrote: As I said cow slaughter is the cause of it all.

I doubt that very much. I think it far more likely that the cause is evangelical intolerance. Putting an end to killing animals is a different matter entirely, and one in which I see no difference in the degree of wrongness whether it's a cow, a cod or a chicken.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Wed May 09, 2012 1:47 pm

spot;1393313 wrote: I doubt that very much. I think it far more likely that the cause is evangelical intolerance. Putting an end to killing animals is a different matter entirely, and one in which I see no difference in the degree of wrongness whether it's a cow, a cod or a chicken.

Our teeth is not made for eating meat like the tigers & lions do. We slaughter cows as if the animals have no souls. We protest if cats & dogs are not treated well not knowing if not immunized carry the deadly rabies virus. Cows do not carry rabies. Cows do not bite or scratch. Cows are not noisy. Cows only produce milk. That`s all & yet they are herded to slaughter houses & killed for their meat & skin. Do cows complain they are abused? Because cows can not harm anyone & are helpless against carnivores. Who in other words will protect them? It`s Krishna! & if they are killed it`s Krishna in return who, a tooth for a tooth, annihilates the miscreants who breed cows not for their milk but for food. People do not eat cats or dogs, do they?

We so-called human beings do not have a heart for cows. Because they can not fight back, we BULLY & kill them. The bulls are killed for sport. Ole! Ole! Ole! The matadors they are murderers & those who support killing these bulls are accomplice. That`s why tsunamis, earthquakes, super typhoons occur because we have committed an offense against Krishna ( God ) for killing his pets, the cows & bulls. & mother nature which is Krishna`s external energy ( maya ) is returning back the favor.

Post by **spot** » Wed May 09, 2012 2:20 pm

rajakrsna;1393314 wrote: Who in other words will protect them? It`s Krishna! & if they are killed it`s Krishna in return who, a tooth for a tooth, annihilates the miscreants who breed cows not for their milk but for food.Any deaths on a UK farm caused by a large blue chap spearing farmers with a trident would result in his immediate detention by the local constabulary. I've never heard of such an instance.

Given how many cows are killed in the UK each year, and the lack of consequent human casualties, I beg leave to doubt that "Krishna in return who, a tooth for a tooth, annihilates the miscreants". You labor under a misapprehension. Farming beef would be a practical impossibility if you were right. No British beef farmer, of whom there are thousands, has so much as seen a tsunami, earthquake or super typhoon much less died of one.

No animal in the UK, domestic or wild, is infected with rabies.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Wed May 09, 2012 4:29 pm

spot;1393319 wrote: Any deaths on a UK farm caused by a large blue chap spearing farmers with a trident would result in his immediate detention by the local constabulary. I've never heard of such an instance.

Given how many cows are killed in the UK each year, and the lack of consequent human casualties, I beg leave to doubt that "Krishna in return who, a tooth for a tooth, annihilates the miscreants". You labor under a misapprehension. Farming beef would be a practical impossibility if you were right. No British beef farmer, of whom there are thousands, has so much as seen a tsunami, earthquake or super typhoon much less died of one.

No animal in the UK, domestic or wild, is infected with rabies.

UK cows for slaughter are in the past were UK citizens who bred cows for food. The same when you abort babies. In the next life you will also be aborted by a mother who wants an abortion. Huh? Dogs & cats in UK do not carry the rabies virus? If you have a wound try let a homeless dog or cat lick that wound. Then wait for 7-14 days without getting a rabies vaccination. Tell me later the result if the experiment did not work. I will give you a prize.

Post by **spot** » Thu May 10, 2012 12:57 am

rajakrsna;1393327 wrote: UK cows for slaughter are in the past were UK citizens who bred cows for food. The same when you abort babies. In the next life you will also be aborted by a mother who wants an abortion. Huh? Dogs & cats in UK do not carry the rabies virus? If you have a wound try let a homeless dog or cat lick that wound. Then wait for 7-14 days without getting a rabies vaccination. Tell me later the result if the experiment did not work. I will give you a prize.

"The next life" is a non-existent power concept used by priests, you have nothing at all to offer as evidence for its existence other than your own personal belief. Logic and common sense says you're deluded and that there is no "next life". It's a weasely get-out concept to show that this fictional "external independent God" is good. Without this deferred judgement this fictional "external independent God" would be obviously mad, bad, malicious and foul if he existed in the real world, outside of your belief system.

Rabies is very occasionally carried into the UK by travellers entering the country from parts of the world where rabies exists. Rabies Disease Control Strategy « Defra publications shows how government controls prevent it from infecting wildlife or domestic animals. Rabies doesn't, as far as I'm aware, spread from person to person. if rabies were present in wildlife or domestic animals in the UK then there would be consequent human infections. There aren't. Wildlife and domestic animals are, as the report says, free of rabies in the UK and have been throughout my lifetime.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Thu May 10, 2012 8:03 am

spot;1393342 wrote: "The next life" is a non-existent power concept used by priests, you have nothing at all to offer as evidence for its existence other than your own personal belief. Logic and common sense says you're deluded and that there is no "next life". It's a weasely get-out concept to show that this fictional "external independent God" is good. Without this deferred judgement this fictional "external independent God" would be obviously mad, bad, malicious and foul if he existed in the real world, outside of your belief system.

Did you ever dream of places you never been to all of your life then in time gets to visit the place & you say to yourself I been here before? Have you ever entered into the mind of an insane person? His reality & your reality are not the same. His world as he experiences it maybe virtual to you but to him it`s not. Or maybe you think we live in the same neighborhood that what you perceive there is the same as mine? God may not be real to you but in my world God is very real. I may not be able to show you proof that my God`s real yet neither can you show me proof my God is unreal.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Thu May 10, 2012 8:29 am

spot;1393342 wrote:

Rabies is very occasionally carried into the UK by travellers entering the country from parts of the world where rabies exists. Rabies Disease Control Strategy « Defra publications shows how government controls prevent it from infecting wildlife or domestic animals. Rabies doesn't, as far as I'm aware, spread from person to person. if rabies were present in wildlife or domestic animals in the UK then there would be consequent human infections. There aren't. Wildlife and domestic animals are, as the report says, free of rabies in the UK and have been throughout my lifetime.

It`s a fact the virus that causes rabies is always present in the saliva of cats & dogs but remains inactive. & yet it has not been found why all of the sudden the virus invades the animal`s nervous system. So, I`m not convinced the report says UK`s wildlife & domestic animals are free from the rabies virus. Somewhere along the way something triggers the virus to become active & start infecting the nerves & brains of these animals.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu May 10, 2012 9:04 am

UK cows for slaughter are in the past were UK citizens who bred cows for food. The same when you abort babies. In the next life you will also be aborted by a mother who wants an abortion.
Unbearably stupid.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Thu May 10, 2012 9:07 am

AnneBoleyn;1393362 wrote: Unbearably stupid.

It`s simply karma or retribution.

Post by **spot** » Thu May 10, 2012 10:12 am

rajakrsna;1393360 wrote: God may not be real to you but in my world God is very real. I may not be able to show you proof that my God`s real to you yet neither can you show me proof my God is unreal.Has it never been a puzzle to you that the stories which describe such interventions don't even slightly tally with the world you live in, that you've never seen the annihilation of the miscreants which is so vividly described in the texts your priests call holy facts? What's changed? Why this refusal to intervene? If every farmer fell dead the minute he killed a cow, the number of farmers and cows killed in each generation would be one - one cow, and then the farmer daft enough to disbelieve the tale of the annihilation of the miscreants. Far fewer dead cows, far fewer dead farmers, it's win-win. Doesn't the behavior of your external independent God not show him to be unfair, unwise and plain bad, in not intervening immediately like that whenever a cow is killed? And if not, why not?

Are all those killed by tsunamis, earthquakes and super typhoons miscreants being annihilated? And if not all of them are, what of those killed who aren't? They can not fight back, your external independent Gods BULLY & kill them. Are these innocents being killed for sport?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 10, 2012 10:44 am

rajakrsna;1393327 wrote: UK cows for slaughter are in the past were UK citizens who bred cows for food. The same when you abort babies. In the next life you will also be aborted by a mother who wants an abortion. Huh? Dogs & cats in UK do not carry the rabies virus? If you have a wound try let a homeless dog or cat lick that wound. Then wait for 7-14 days without getting a rabies vaccination. Tell me later the result if the experiment did not work. I will give you a prize.

Raj.... I have been bitten by wild Foxes here In the UK......... They are usually timid creatures until you attend one who Is the result of being hit by a car. I have been spat In the face by a LLama and chewed by many a homeless cat and dog during my years as a foster home for the RSPCA.

There are more deaths In the UK from people being trampled by herds of cattle than succumbing to rabies.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Thu May 10, 2012 10:50 am

spot;1393368 wrote: Has it never been a puzzle to you that the stories which describe such interventions don't even slightly tally with the world you live in, that you've never seen the annihilation of the miscreants which is so vividly described in the texts your priests call holy facts? What's changed? Why this refusal to intervene? If every farmer fell dead the minute he killed a cow, the number of farmers and cows killed in each generation would be one - the farmer daft enough to disbelieve the tale of the annihilation of the miscreants. Far fewer dead cows, far fewer dead farmers, it's win-win. Doesn't the behavior of your external independent God not show him to be unfair, unwise and plain bad, in not intervening immediately like that whenever a cow is killed? And if not, why not?

There is a class of miscreants who are known in the words of Bhagavad-gītā as veda-vādī, or so-called strict followers of the Vedas. They do not believe in the incarnation of the Lord, what to speak of the Lord's incarnation as the worshipable hog. They describe worship of the different forms or incarnations of the Lord as anthropomorphism. In the estimation of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam these men are miscreants, and in Bhagavad-gītā (7.15) they are called not only miscreants but also fools and the lowest of mankind, and it is said that their knowledge has been plundered by illusion due to their atheistic temperament.

Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 3 Chapter 13 Verse 35

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Thu May 10, 2012 11:03 am

oscar;1393371 wrote: Raj.... I have been bitten by wild Foxes here In the UK......... They are usually timid creatures until you attend one who Is the result of being hit by a car. I have been spat In the face by a LLama and chewed by many a homeless cat and dog during my years as a foster home for the RSPCA.

There are more deaths In the UK from people being trampled by herds of cattle than succumbing to rabies.

If you were bitten by a fox, you must observe the animal for 7-14 days. If the fox do not get sick or die it means the fox has not been infected by the rabies virus present in the animal`s saliva.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu May 10, 2012 11:24 am

clodhopper;1393209 wrote: chuckle. We seem to be getting to the point where some religious nutter or other is predicting armageddon for every day. Probably booked up til the year 3000 by now.

Think i'll book 1st jan 3000. That's 1 and 3, which is 13, which is unlucky. Also, if you add 1 three times to 3 you get 6, and three 6's are 666 which is the number of the beast.

So it must be true!

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Post by **spot** » Thu May 10, 2012 11:31 am

rajakrsna;1393372 wrote: There is a class of miscreants who are known in the words of Bhagavad-gītā as veda-vādī, or so-called strict followers of the Vedas. They do not believe in the incarnation of the Lord, what to speak of the Lord's incarnation as the worshipable hog. They describe worship of the different forms or incarnations of the Lord as anthropomorphism. In the estimation of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam these men are miscreants, and in Bhagavad-gītā (7.15) they are called not only miscreants but also fools and the lowest of mankind, and it is said that their knowledge has been plundered by illusion due to their atheistic temperament.

Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 3 Chapter 13 Verse 35
What you have quoted there - something you often do when asked a direct question - has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I asked. Here it is again - perhaps you could have the politeness to either answer the questions or say you're not able to. Writing a completely irrelevant deflection is impolite.Has it never been a puzzle to you that the stories which describe such interventions don't even slightly tally with the world you live in, that you've never seen the annihilation of the miscreants which is so vividly described in the texts your priests call holy facts? What's changed? Why this refusal to intervene? If every farmer fell dead the minute he killed a cow, the number of farmers and cows killed in each generation would be one - one cow, and then the farmer daft enough to disbelieve the tale of the annihilation of the miscreants. Far fewer dead cows, far fewer dead farmers, it's win-win. Doesn't the behavior of your external independent God not show him to be unfair, unwise and plain bad, in not intervening immediately like that whenever a cow is killed? And if not, why not?

Are all those killed by tsunamis, earthquakes and super typhoons miscreants being annihilated? And if not all of them are, what of those killed who aren't? They can not fight back, your external independent Gods BULLY & kill them. Are these innocents being killed for sport?

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Thu May 10, 2012 12:10 pm

Krishna will incarnate as the Kalki avatar to annihilate the miscreants who eat cows & breed cows for food. If the farmer breeding cows for food has not yet been destroyed by Kalki, for sure it will arrive without notice, bllasting them to smithereens. Since Krishna has not appeared as the Kalki avatar to annihilate these farmer miscreants then they will just have to wait. If Kalki wont come & annihilate them in this present life. In the next life they will incarnate in the womb of cows bred by farmers who eat beef.. & when they are ready for sure they, too, in the form of cows are slaughtered.

Regarding tsunamis, earthquakes & typhoons I believe they happen through the agency of Krishna`s external energy in the form of an angry mother ( personified mother nature ). Those who survive the disasters are not miscreants. Those who died were cow breeders & supporters of cow killing. That`s the only way I can explain it why victims of calamities die & why others survive. It`s simply karma. If you kill cows for food & commercial purposes expect in the future you will sow what you reap for killing Krishna`s favorite pet.

Post by **spot** » Thu May 10, 2012 12:23 pm

I find it beyond disgusting that everyone killed by these disasters has to be described by you, as a matter of dogmatic belief, as a miscreant justly and deliberately killed by God. I recognize that you can't hold your belief without including that, and reincarnation, as necessary truths but they condemn your entire belief system as fantasy and your God as a grotesque fiction. Why you would want to cling to something so pitifully backward I can't imagine.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 10, 2012 12:38 pm

Excuse me If I'm having a moment of acute numptiness but surely any God Is about Love not retribution and revenge...

Post by **spot** » Thu May 10, 2012 1:31 pm

oscar;1393390 wrote: Excuse me If I'm having a moment of acute numptiness but surely any God Is about Love not retribution and revenge...

What major denomination's creed and belief system do you think that describes? Islam? Latter Day Saints? Scientology? You name it and I'll dig up the roadblocks to your suggestion.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Thu May 10, 2012 2:36 pm

oscar;1393390 wrote: Excuse me If I'm having a moment of acute numptiness but surely any God Is about Love not retribution and revenge...

In the Bhagavad-gita, Krishna was able to convince Arjuna to fight Duryodhana even if the general`s men were Arjuna`s relatives. Krishna said he had already annihilated Arjuna`s opponents in the past & accordingly will be annihilated by Arjuna in the present in accordance to Krishna`s plan. & those who`ll die in the battle will be re-incarnated in the next life. In other words, Krishna explained to Arjuna why he should fight. The battle already has been won. All Arjuna has to do was play his part & if killed why should he lament. It`s only the material body that is killed but not the soul that dwells inside Arjuna`s body.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Thu May 10, 2012 2:59 pm

spot;1393385 wrote: I find it beyond disgusting that everyone killed by these disasters has to be described by you, as a matter of dogmatic belief, as a miscreant justly and deliberately killed by God. I recognize that you can't hold your belief without including that, and reincarnation, as necessary truths but they condemn your entire belief system as fantasy and your God as a grotesque fiction. Why you would want to cling to something so pitifully backward I can't imagine.

Killing is natural in the animal world. The rat is killed by a snake the latter is killed by an eagle-a predator bird etc. But what God does not like is kill the cows for food by human beings. Humans by nature is herbivorous not carnivorous. So, why should humans kill God`s favorite pet when Krishna has created the plants, fruit trees, etc sufficient for humans to eat & survive. Krishna created cows because her milk is used in feeding a baby whose mother can`t produce enough beast milk to feed her child. Why kill the cows for food when we can find meat from other sources? Because humans insist beef is delicious to eat he kills cows-an animal that is defenseless, does not do harm, etc. If God kills the miscreants they deserve it for killing the cow. & if ever this happens ( God forbid ) do not let me say I did not warn you.

Post by **spot** » Thu May 10, 2012 3:27 pm

rajakrsna;1393401 wrote: Killing is natural in the animal world. The rat is killed by a snake the latter is killed by an eagle-a predator bird etc. But what God does not like is kill the cows for food by human beings. Humans by nature is herbivorous not carnivorous. So, why should humans kill God`s favorite pet when Krishna has created the plants, fruit trees, etc sufficient for humans to eat & survive. Krishna created cows because her milk is used in feeding a baby whose mother can`t produce enough beast milk to feed her child. Why kill the cows for food when we can find meat from other sources?

We dealt with this. I wrote:Why this refusal to intervene? If every farmer fell dead the minute he killed a cow, the number of farmers and cows killed in each generation would be one - one cow, and then the farmer daft enough to disbelieve the tale of the annihilation of the miscreants. Far fewer dead cows, far fewer dead farmers, it's win-win.and you said that death is an irrelevance, whatever dies gets a new life and either recompensed or punished. Your belief has to include that repetitive new birth or there's no justice involved.

It does leave me wondering, if death is an irrelevance, why God should be so upset when a cow's killed. Surely the dumb brute can just get reborn like everything else.

I think death should be accorded more respect. Nothing that's new life is recompense for the previous one. Even if you turn out to be right that a "soul" returns time and again, either recompensed or punished, it's not the individual. The individual is the accumulated memory and experience of the person. You fly in the face of reality yet again if you say that's retained, though I can easily imagine that you believe it.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Thu May 10, 2012 3:41 pm

spot;1393402 wrote: We dealt with this. I wrote:Why this refusal to intervene? If every farmer fell dead the minute he killed a cow, the number of farmers and cows killed in each generation would be one - one cow, and then the farmer daft enough to disbelieve the tale of the annihilation of the miscreants. Far fewer dead cows, far fewer dead farmers, it's win-win.and you said that death is an irrelevance, whatever dies gets a new life and either recompensed or punished. Your belief has to include that repetitive new birth or there's no justice involved.

It does leave me wondering, if death is an irrelevance, why God should be so upset when a cow's killed. Surely the dumb brute can just get reborn like everything else.

I think death should be accorded more respect. Nothing that's new life is recompense for the previous one. Even if you turn out to be right that a "soul" returns time and again, either recompensed or punished, it's not the individual. The individual is the accumulated memory and experience of the person. You fly in the face of reality yet again if you say that's retained, though I can easily imagine that you believe it.

Don`t you get? I keep repeating the word cow? The word cow also means mother. Because only mothers produce milk to feed her baby at birth until 6 months when the baby can already take complementary food. How many mothers, not literally, are slaughtered by miscreants who does not believe in God. Mothers who are compelled due to poverty sell their bodies to these sex-starved miscreants who enjoy eating beef from an animal he earlier killed. In general I`m referring to women being the weaker sex are slaughtered by miscreants who open prostitution houses & dens for cows or women to unwind & have sex with different men. Women or cows used by miscreants for their x rated videos & live sex shows. Women or cows herded inside casinos, KTV bars, etc.

Post by **spot** » Thu May 10, 2012 3:51 pm

rajakrsna;1393404 wrote: In general I`m referring to women being the weaker sex are slaughtered by miscreants who open prostitution houses & dens for cows or women to unwind & have sex with different men. Women or cows used by miscreants for their x rated videos & live sex shows. Women or cows herded inside casinos, KTV bars, etc.

So why the hell are you disguising what you post in such obscure language? When you complain in the same post at the "murder" of bulls in bullfights your language collapses entirely.

Either you write to communicate or you write to amuse yourself with no interest in communication. Communicating requires a common vocabulary.

My question still stands - why should the death of a woman ("women being the weaker sex") have any meaning at all, if she can be reborn as a man? Why is death relevant at all? Why should their "slaughter by miscreants" ("not literally") bother anyone if death can lead to reward?

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Thu May 10, 2012 4:03 pm

spot;1393406 wrote: So why the hell are you disguising what you post in such obscure language? When you complain in the same post at the "murder" of bulls in bullfights your language collapses entirely.

Either you write to communicate or you write to amuse yourself with no interest in communication. Communicating requires a common vocabulary.

Cows, bulls, women & mothers are Krishna`s pets. Miscreants who slaughter them, literally or not, are dealt with accordingly by an avenging God-the Kalki avatar. By the way, this is a discussion forum not a debate. We are having a conversation here regarding our views, opinions & comments on controversial issues not easily resolved. I`m not a person who reflects on words defined by Webster only but also from Roget.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Thu May 10, 2012 4:15 pm

spot;1393406 wrote:

My question still stands - why should the death of a woman ("women being the weaker sex") have any meaning at all, if she can be reborn as a man? Why is death relevant at all? Why should their "slaughter by miscreants" ("not literally") bother anyone if death can lead to reward?

I smiled when I reflected on your statement I quoted. The first sentence for example gives another meaning if I read it this way, " Why should the debt of a woman have any meaning at all." If she can be reborn as a man ( she wont go into debt?) Why is debt relevant at all?( Of course debt is relevant when you are in debt row.) Why should the miscreant`s laughter bother anyone if debt can lead to reward?

P.S. Gotta go I have to report for work...

Post by **spot** » Fri May 11, 2012 12:23 am

rajakrsna;1393407 wrote: By the way, this is a discussion forum not a debate.I have little idea what you mean by "debate" in this context (or anywhere else) but it's not a thing you or I can do in an unfettered forum thread, not unless we agree to formal rules and and stick to them. There are some threads which become tedious because they come to no conclusion. I think "debate" at least involves a prior agreement to stop after a limited amount of posting.

I have no problem with discussing topics in allegorical terms either. What prevents me from recognizing your cow=woman equation is how truly outdated it is, at least in my country. It's as though the feminist movement had never existed. There's nothing "weaker vessel" about women, it's demeaning to them to pretend to such distinctions, it's how they were obliged to put up with second-class pay and second-class work and second-class legal rights for centuries. Either you or, if it's not just you, your entire society needs to grow up.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Fri May 11, 2012 5:10 am

spot;1393414 wrote: I have little idea what you mean by "debate" in this context (or anywhere else) but it's not a thing you or I can do in an unfettered forum thread, not unless we agree to formal rules and and stick to them. There are some threads which become tedious because they come to no conclusion. I think "debate" at least involves a prior agreement to stop after a limited amount of posting.

I have no problem with discussing topics in allegorical terms either. What prevents me from recognizing your cow=woman equation is how truly outdated it is, at least in my country. It's as though the feminist movement had never existed. There's nothing "weaker vessel" about women, it's demeaning to them to pretend to such distinctions, it's how they were obliged to put up with second-class pay and second-class work and second-class legal rights for centuries. Either you or, if it's not just you, your entire society needs to grow up.

May I ask this question if you do not mind. Are you a girl or boy? I`m a licensed physician & its my nature to ask the gender of whom I talking to or conversing with. Gender is very important in history taking of a patient who comes to me for consultation.

Post by **spot** » Fri May 11, 2012 6:58 am

I've not sought a consultation. My details are, however, available to all on my profile - click "spot" and it allows you to select "About Me".

It's many years since I was either a girl or a boy.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Fri May 11, 2012 7:35 am

spot;1393417 wrote: I've not sought a consultation. My details are, however, available to all on my profile - click "spot" and it allows you to select "About Me".

It's many years since I was either a girl or a boy.

I do not usually argue with neither.

Post by **spot** » Fri May 11, 2012 7:53 am

rajakrsna;1393419 wrote: I do not usually argue with neither.

Perhaps this is another problem with regional use of English as a language. I'm an adult. Neither girls nor boys are adult.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Fri May 11, 2012 8:06 am

spot;1393420 wrote: Perhaps this is another problem with regional use of English as a language. I'm an adult. Neither girls nor boys are adult.

I do not argue with someone who is either a boy or girl.

Post by **spot** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:00 am

rajakrsna;1393421 wrote: I do not argue with someone who is either a boy or girl.

You'll find neither on ForumGarden. Everyone here is adult.