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Oh, this is so sad :-1

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What is the purpose of the parades?
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Ohhh the parades, that's not trouble, that's traddition...

Happens every year, don't worry about it
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mikeinie;1321813 wrote: Ohhh the parades, that's not trouble, that's traddition...

Happens every year, don't worry about it


Are you saying it's the annual 'vent your frustrations with the other side' day?
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flopstock;1321809 wrote: What is the purpose of the parades?


OK, the best comparison for understanding purposes it this:

The US civil war: A very dark time in American history, the country torn apart, North against South.

Only when the civil war was over, it was the focus of the President to form a stronger united country and to heal wounds between the North and the South.

Now, (based in the internet information) Lee surrendered on April 9th 1868. And thus the South lost the war.

Now image, every year on April 9th, hundreds of people from the Northern States, dressed up in Yankee outfits, travel to Atlanta, and marched and paraded through Atlanta celebrating their defeat. Rubbing in their face, year after year for hundreds of years their loss of the civil war.

What do you think the reaction would be in the South?

For the Canadians here, can you image hundreds of English speaking Canadians were to gather and then march through the streets of Old Quebec dressed in red coats celebrating the victory of the Planes of Abraham?

How do you think the French Canadians would take to that?



That is the parade season in Northern Ireland, the ‘Orange men’ celebrate the war between the Protestant King William 111 of Orange and the Catholic King James for control of Ireland in the 1690s.

King William won, and every year the ‘Orangemen’ march through the Catholic areas of Belfast reminding them of it. It causes problems (as it would).
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Good explanation Mike.
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Thank you Mike, and quite frankly IMO, these marches and 'the marching season' should be kicked into touch. It is about time the 'orangemen' grew up! Sorry if that is non PC, but I would think that most peace-loving people would wish for the same. It's about time such things ceased - tradition???? Not in my book.
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Why is it allowed?
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Mikeinie made a good analogy. The parades in themselves arent the problem as such. Its the deliberately provocative stance that the Orange order take in persisting with the marches through Nationalist areas. Sinn Fein have condemned the violence and have suggested that it is the widely outlawed Continuity IRA. It has very little following but sectarianism is a long way from disappearing from the Province
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The 12th of July parades are as Mike says ... tradition in this little country. Most people here (from both sides of the community) are happy to let the day pass peacefully. Having said that .... there are some who like to cause trouble.

Truthfully it sickens me!

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mikeinie;1321816 wrote: OK, the best comparison for understanding purposes it this:

The US civil war: A very dark time in American history, the country torn apart, North against South.

Only when the civil war was over, it was the focus of the President to form a stronger united country and to heal wounds between the North and the South.

Now, (based in the internet information) Lee surrendered on April 9th 1868. And thus the South lost the war.

Now image, every year on April 9th, hundreds of people from the Northern States, dressed up in Yankee outfits, travel to Atlanta, and marched and paraded through Atlanta celebrating their defeat. Rubbing in their face, year after year for hundreds of years their loss of the civil war.

What do you think the reaction would be in the South?

For the Canadians here, can you image hundreds of English speaking Canadians were to gather and then march through the streets of Old Quebec dressed in red coats celebrating the victory of the Planes of Abraham?

How do you think the French Canadians would take to that?



That is the parade season in Northern Ireland, the ‘Orange men’ celebrate the war between the Protestant King William 111 of Orange and the Catholic King James for control of Ireland in the 1690s.

King William won, and every year the ‘Orangemen’ march through the Catholic areas of Belfast reminding them of it. It causes problems (as it would).


I have to admit that when I read the article I was thinking pretty much what you wrote here... only I figured it to be like our KKK who insist on marching - but they're just a bunch of losers protected by the constitution.
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It would be nice though if they could find something in common that they could march together about and put an end to this immaturity on both sides. It is always so antagonistic and confrontational.
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Why is it allowed?


Because in the purely legal sense, all citizens have right of passage through all public spaces. They march through public spaces. That are lived in by Catholics. The police have a duty to allow them to exercise the rights of a citizen... It's a flashpoint waiting to happen. This one has clearly been used. In a weird way this is encouraging. It could have been worse. "Recreational rioting with a sinister edge..." were the words of the police chief. If this is the best the violent extremists can do there's hope. Lots of it.
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There's an element of our daddies carried their umbrellas through those parts, and their daddies before them back as far as we can remember (which probably involves Edward Carson), and we'll be damned before we dishonour their memories by suddenly turning reasonable over it.
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Christian brethren celebrate their faith with gusto in Glasgow!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2EzG34ilo&feature=related

But Satan’s minions arrive to spoil the fun…

YouTube - Trouble at the Trongate/Gallowgate - Orange March Gone Wrong

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