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LarsMac wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:08 am
spot wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:15 am I suspect the bit on the left has been photoshopped.
I suspect that you are right.
Snooze has previous, of course.
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You know, you're on the internet. It's a simple matter of looking for yourselves if you think I'm posting sh*t.

The shirts were supplied by Candace Owens (look her up, I'm not going to do the work for you) and they were paid to be there wearing those shirts.

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It didn't stop me from a big grin though.

Okay, I'm appalled but maybe it is what happened.
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You know, you're on the internet. It's a simple matter of looking for yourselves if you think I'm posting sh*t.

The shirts were supplied by Candace Owens (look her up, I'm not going to do the work for you) and they were paid to be there wearing those shirts.

Since when does the Don need to pay for an enthusiastic audience? :o
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tude dog wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:04 pm Since when does the Don need to pay for an enthusiastic audience? :o
That's an irrelevant question - Snooze never said he did. Assuming the current popular story about Ms Owens is true - and I have no opinion about that - she's an independent actor.
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Trump seldom pays for anything. That is well documented.
However, his supporters have paid for a number of Trump's enthusiastic audiences.
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Is it just me or did he sound a little more unhinged than usual during that rally/speech?
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magentaflame wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:48 pm Is it just me or did he sound a little more unhinged than usual during that rally/speech?
Define "Usual"

Frankly, I avoid listening to him.
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LarsMac wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:06 pm
magentaflame wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:48 pm Is it just me or did he sound a little more unhinged than usual during that rally/speech?
Define "Usual"

Frankly, I avoid listening to him.
I won't say despotic. Manic? His delivery, his has voice has changed.
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He adopted a triumphal back-from-the-grave I'm the new Messiah follow me to glory tone. With three weeks to the election he's got his timing perfect.

President Trump resembles the hero of Gore Vidal's "Kalki" death-cult, the book is prescient. I thought it was before it turned out to be.

"His birth will be the end of the Kali Yuga, the final of the four eras in the endless cycle of existence". It's where Vidal got the name. It's why Sam was called Kalkin too, in Lord of Light.

"By the end, it doesn't seem like fiction at all that we're reading, but just another clever dissertation by Gore Vidal" - from Wikipedia. Surely that's true of every book the chap wrote though, it's why I enjoyed them so much.
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spot wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:56 pm He adopted a triumphal back-from-the-grave I'm the new Messiah follow me to glory tone. With three weeks to the election he's got his timing perfect.

President Trump resembles the hero of Gore Vidal's "Kalki" death-cult, the book is prescient. I thought it was before it turned out to be.

"His birth will be the end of the Kali Yuga, the final of the four eras in the endless cycle of existence". It's where Vidal got the name. It's why Sam was called Kalkin too, in Lord of Light.

"By the end, it doesn't seem like fiction at all that we're reading, but just another clever dissertation by Gore Vidal" - from Wikipedia. Surely that's true of every book the chap wrote though, it's why I enjoyed them so much.
Bah Humbug! ......I think we're going to have to begin running a betting book. I can't see the population of the US being that dumb. Fool me once kind of scenario.
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magentaflame wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:24 pm Bah Humbug! ......I think we're going to have to begin running a betting book. I can't see the population of the US being that dumb. Fool me once kind of scenario.
Seriously?

I'll be very surprised if he loses next month.
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spot wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:41 pm
magentaflame wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:24 pm Bah Humbug! ......I think we're going to have to begin running a betting book. I can't see the population of the US being that dumb. Fool me once kind of scenario.
Seriously?

I'll be very surprised if he loses next month.
If he wins, I'm going to come back to this thread and call you a filthy name.
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Snooz wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:14 pm If he wins, I'm going to come back to this thread and call you a filthy name.
What puzzles me is that although the result of the election will have an impact on my health, my welfare and my peace of mind, I'm not allowed a vote. If I ever need a definition of "Empire" I'll base it on that single fact.
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I'm sure you're all familiar with the Lincoln Project, a group of "never-Trumper" Republicans. They've done some really good political ads (in addition to some amusing attack ads) but I think this is the best one yet.

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Snooz wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:44 pm I'm sure you're all familiar with the Lincoln Project, a group of "never-Trumper" Republicans. They've done some really good political ads (in addition to some amusing attack ads) but I think this is the best one yet.

I had that conversation in the Pub before all the lockdowns about that very subject. I posed the question 'doesn't the republican base have daughters and wives? Or do they think certain women deserve his crap and theirs are different and nobody would ever assume the same stance toward their daughters? One of our Prime ministers was a dead set mysoginist. When people got all up on him about being one he went and made himself "minister for women" . beyond reckoning.
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Has anyone a feel yet for which way the election will go? It's not far off now. Fifteen days. I assume there will eventually be some television coverage.

Hopeful news for the Trump campaign, there are two states this week whose average number of reported cases over the past week has dropped. Vermont and Missouri.

There seems to be a convention on the Internet recently for denying anyone's paying for posts. For the record, nobody has paid me for posting. Not even Moscow. It's enough to make a chap weep.
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Here we are - the 2020 election in a nutshell. This is what matters. Everything else is secondary.
The world according to President Trump is one of "America First" nationalism, ditching international agreements that he believes give the US a raw deal. It is transactional, disruptive and unilateralist. It is also personal and erratic, shaped by his gut feelings and relationships with leaders, and driven by his Twitter feed.

The world according to Joe Biden is a much more traditional take on America's role and interests, grounded in international institutions established after World War Two, and based on shared western democratic values.

It is one of global alliances in which America leads free nations in combating transnational threats.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54472696

How anyone can be puzzled that I want a second term for your current ghastly little liars in the White House just baffles me, of course I want another four years of this respite.
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I've just been watching a focus group discussion about the debate. They believe Trump...that's insane.
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magentaflame wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:25 pm
Snooz wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:44 pm I'm sure you're all familiar with the Lincoln Project, a group of "never-Trumper" Republicans. They've done some really good political ads (in addition to some amusing attack ads) but I think this is the best one yet.

I had that conversation in the Pub before all the lockdowns about that very subject. I posed the question 'doesn't the republican base have daughters and wives? Or do they think certain women deserve his crap and theirs are different and nobody would ever assume the same stance toward their daughters? One of our Prime ministers was a dead set mysoginist. When people got all up on him about being one he went and made himself "minister for women" . beyond reckoning.
How many little girls watch the news?

I thought women in the workplace are supposed to be treated equally. Sometimes be careful about what you ask for. :shock:
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An interesting piece on the political atmosphere we find ourselves in today, and how we got here.
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spot wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:04 am
tude dog wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:04 pm Since when does the Don need to pay for an enthusiastic audience? :o
That's an irrelevant question - Snooze never said he did. Assuming the current popular story about Ms Owens is true - and I have no opinion about that - she's an independent actor.
Fair enough.

I should have stated the obvious. The enthusiasm showed by his supporter's audiences every time he speaks,

Who can buy such an audience? 8-)
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tude dog wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:33 pm
spot wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:04 am
tude dog wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:04 pm Since when does the Don need to pay for an enthusiastic audience? :o
That's an irrelevant question - Snooze never said he did. Assuming the current popular story about Ms Owens is true - and I have no opinion about that - she's an independent actor.
Fair enough.

I should have stated the obvious. The enthusiasm showed by his supporter's audiences every time he speaks,

Who can buy such an audience? 8-)
Friends of the Donald, it would seem. I am sure that he could, but he obviously doesn't need to. Someone else will pay for him.
That is how he has always played it. "Never pay cash. Let somebody else pick up the check."
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LarsMac wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:48 pm
tude dog wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:33 pm
spot wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:04 am
tude dog wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:04 pm Since when does the Don need to pay for an enthusiastic audience? :o
That's an irrelevant question - Snooze never said he did. Assuming the current popular story about Ms Owens is true - and I have no opinion about that - she's an independent actor.
Fair enough.

I should have stated the obvious. The enthusiasm showed by his supporter's audiences every time he speaks,

Who can buy such an audience? 8-)
Friends of the Donald, it would seem. I am sure that he could, but he obviously doesn't need to. Someone else will pay for him.
That is how he has always played it. "Never pay cash. Let somebody else pick up the check."
Seems four years ago Hillary outspent Trump, for all the good it did.
According to government-sponsored National Public Radio https://www.npr.org/2020/05/20/85834747 ... 0-election

Money Tracker: How Much Trump And Biden Have Raised In The 2020 Election

$1.51 billion Biden
$1.57 billion Trump
Photo of Joe Biden (D)
$1.51 billion
raised by Joe Biden (D) and the DNC
$167 million raised in first half of October

Raised$1.51B
Spent$1.29B
Cash$239M
Photo of Donald Trump (R)
$1.57 billion
raised by Donald Trump (R) and the RNC
$82 million raised in first half of October

Raised$1.57B
Spent$1.49B

The point is neither candidate is personally paying for much.
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Okay 5 days to go, it's getting down to the wire. I sure hope people are not stupid enough to do this to our country. It will be the end of our country as we know it!

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Hope6 wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:54 pm Okay 5 days to go, it's getting down to the wire. I sure hope people are not stupid enough to do this to our country. It will be the end of our country as we know it!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/joe-bide ... ojan-horse
No, we will not become Socialists. Too much big business running the country.
I expect to see a resurgence of Feudalism, though.
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Nothing wrong with being a socialist. I'm a socialist. I love it when someone mentions the word socialist to an American. It's funny. I don't understand what scares Amersicans about socialism. What did they teach you at school?

Question ...who owns Americas' postal service?
Do you have public hospitals?
Do you have public education ?
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magentaflame wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:25 pm I don't understand what scares Amersicans about socialism. What did they teach you at school?
How to answer multiple choice questions. America invented the notion that accurately answering trivia indicates intelligence, as opposed to confirming the teaching material was red. The new-style education is consequently cheaper, though less educational, than it ought to be.
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I just checked the betting odds - not the polls, the betting odds - for each state. If they're accurate predictors, Trump has four electoral college votes more than Biden. I expect it changes daily though.

eta: Checking my spreadsheet, I may have overridden Michigan. I can't remember. I have Michigan listed as a Republican win but the betting odds were the other way. In which case, just on the betting odds without adulteration, Biden wins by one state.

If anyone wins by just one state there will be ructions.


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magentaflame wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:25 pm Nothing wrong with being a socialist. I'm a socialist. I love it when someone mentions the word socialist to an American. It's funny. I don't understand what scares Amersicans about socialism. What did they teach you at school?

Question ...who owns Americas' postal service?
Do you have public hospitals?
Do you have public education ?
Americans, as a rule, have no idea what "Socialism" is.
It's obviously bad because, well, SOCIALISM!
Even Russia gave it up.

After all, The NAZIs were Socialist, and the Commies were Socialists, and look what happened in Venezuela, fer cryin out loud.
If Ronald Reagan and John Wayne didn't like it, and The Donald doesn't like it, that's all I need to know. Boo on Socialism.

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Oh I see . You equate socialism with communism. That's why you think it's failed. A rewriting of the definition.
Marx is not Stalin or Hitler lol

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/glos ... communism/
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The most interesting part of the results will be the breakdown of rejected votes, especially rejected postal votes. I do hope the figures are made easily available.
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did you see Trump wants to stop the counting early? And was told to go jump in the lake. Stops nine days after voting day and he should pull his head in.
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I suppose if someone doesn't own property, if they rent where they live and the government tells them they will give them free medical care and a free education, I guess that would appeal to some people but we worked hard for our property. Our farmland and our house are all paid for we don't owe anybody anything and we did it all ourselves, and someone would come along and say, your property doesn't belong to you anymore but you continue to work on it and we'll let you keep part of what you make! NO WAY!!
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Hope6 wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:20 pm I suppose if someone doesn't own property, if they rent where they live and the government tells them they will give them free medical care and a free education, I guess that would appeal to some people but we worked hard for our property. Our farmland and our house are all paid for we don't owe anybody anything and we did it all ourselves, and someone would come along and say, your property doesn't belong to you anymore but you continue to work on it and we'll let you keep part of what you make! NO WAY!!
Well, THAT''s not Socialism. The Capitalists can do that to you, though, you know.
It's sad that the Trumpers, have so many people convinced that the Democrats want to do such things. But then, that is the burden of our education system, these days.
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Well if you take the socialism question out of it would you want this as your country's leader?

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LarsMac wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:34 pm
Hope6 wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:20 pm I suppose if someone doesn't own property, if they rent where they live and the government tells them they will give them free medical care and a free education, I guess that would appeal to some people but we worked hard for our property. Our farmland and our house are all paid for we don't owe anybody anything and we did it all ourselves, and someone would come along and say, your property doesn't belong to you anymore but you continue to work on it and we'll let you keep part of what you make! NO WAY!!
Well, THAT''s not Socialism. The Capitalists can do that to you, though, you know.
It's sad that the Trumpers, have so many people convinced that the Democrats want to do such things. But then, that is the burden of our education system, these days.
how is that not socialism?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
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Hope6 wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:37 pm Well if you take the socialism question out of it would you want this as your country's leader?

https://spectator.org/biden-cognitive-p ... -dementia/
May I suggest that you find more reliable media to read?

I am going to leave this conversation until after the election.
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I don't have to read anything Lars I've seen this gaffes in his speeches myself but I don't want to argue about it. We will have to agree to disagree.
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Hope6 wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:20 pm I suppose if someone doesn't own property, if they rent where they live and the government tells them they will give them free medical care and a free education, I guess that would appeal to some people but we worked hard for our property. Our farmland and our house are all paid for we don't owe anybody anything and we did it all ourselves, and someone would come along and say, your property doesn't belong to you anymore but you continue to work on it and we'll let you keep part of what you make! NO WAY!!
Have a quick look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_d ... ted_States and tell me how American compulsory purchase powers are different to what you're describing. Nobody in America has an absolute right to their property, not even a right to remain on it and keep part of what you make.

Property taken by eminent domain may be for government use or by delegation to third parties, who will devote it to public or civic use or, in some cases, to economic development. The most common uses are for government buildings and other facilities, public utilities, highways and railroads. However, it may also be taken for reasons of public safety, as in the case of Centralia, Pennsylvania, where land was taken due to an underground mine fire.[2] Some jurisdictions require that the condemnor make an offer to purchase the subject property, before resorting to the use of eminent domain.

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Rather than trying to explain Socialism, I would rather let the socialist explain what it would mean for my
country.

Bernie Sanders is open about being a socialist and proud of it. For me, that is a good starting point in wondering what a socialist would do to my county.
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tude dog wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:21 am Rather than trying to explain Socialism, I would rather let the socialist explain what it would mean for my
country.

Bernie Sanders is open about being a socialist and proud of it. For me, that is a good starting point in wondering what a socialist would do to my county.
A socialist government in America would legislate to see that no person on Homeland soil is without access to "timely management and care for the purpose of combating disease, injury or disorder", without habitation fit for human use, without adequate nourishment or education, or without competent professional legal defense when called to answer before a court. I'd take those areas as a minimum immediate standard.
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spot wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:34 am
tude dog wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:21 am Rather than trying to explain Socialism, I would rather let the socialist explain what it would mean for my
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Bernie Sanders is open about being a socialist and proud of it. For me, that is a good starting point in wondering what a socialist would do to my county.
A socialist government in America would legislate to see that no person on Homeland soil is without access to "timely management and care for the purpose of combating disease, injury or disorder", without habitation fit for human use, without adequate nourishment or education, or without competent professional legal defense when called to answer before a court. I'd take those areas as a minimum immediate standard.
Uh HUH

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That would appear to be a different Marx altogether. As usual I have no idea what you're attempting to convey. You asked a question, I gave an answer, you refuse any engagement - par for the course.

How could any civilized person want their country to fall short on any of those minimum standards of decency.
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spot wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:01 pm That would appear to be a different Marx altogether. As usual I have no idea what you're attempting to convey. You asked a question, I gave an answer, you refuse any engagement - par for the course.
You never explained Socialism, just palaver of some promised paradise.
spot wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:01 pmHow could any civilized person want their country to fall short on any of those minimum standards of decency.
oh woe are we
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tude dog wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:21 am Rather than trying to explain Socialism, I would rather let the socialist explain what it would mean for my
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Bernie Sanders is open about being a socialist and proud of it. For me, that is a good starting point in wondering what a socialist would do to my county.
I"m right here . Ask away.
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tude dog wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:42 pmYou never explained Socialism, just palaver of some promised paradise.

oh woe are we
You carefully asked me not to explain socialism ("Rather than trying to explain Socialism") and I carefully didn't. You asked me to "explain what it would mean for my country" which I did, precisely, in legislative terms, and "woe are we" does indeed sum up your collective condition very well.
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tude dog wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:21 am
Bernie Sanders is open about being a socialist and proud of it. For me, that is a good starting point in wondering what a socialist would do to my county.
Then why did he run as a Democrat?
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spot wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:21 pm
tude dog wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:42 pmYou never explained Socialism, just palaver of some promised paradise.

oh woe are we
You carefully asked me not to explain socialism ("Rather than trying to explain Socialism") and I carefully didn't. You asked me to "explain what it would mean for my country" which I did, precisely, in legislative terms, and "woe are we" does indeed sum up your collective condition very well.
What I wrote was Rather than trying to explain Socialism, I would rather let the socialist explain what it would mean for my
country.

I should have been precise.

A socialist government in America would legislate to see that no person on Homeland soil is without access to "timely management and care for the purpose of combating disease, injury or disorder", without habitation fit for human use, without adequate nourishment or education, or without competent professional legal defense when called to answer before a court. I'd take those areas as a minimum immediate standard.

What is Socialism and how does it provide that paradise on earth? :?
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tude dog wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:10 pm
spot wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:21 pm
tude dog wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:42 pmYou never explained Socialism, just palaver of some promised paradise.

oh woe are we
You carefully asked me not to explain socialism ("Rather than trying to explain Socialism") and I carefully didn't. You asked me to "explain what it would mean for my country" which I did, precisely, in legislative terms, and "woe are we" does indeed sum up your collective condition very well.
What I wrote was Rather than trying to explain Socialism, I would rather let the socialist explain what it would mean for my
country.

I should have been precise.

A socialist government in America would legislate to see that no person on Homeland soil is without access to "timely management and care for the purpose of combating disease, injury or disorder", without habitation fit for human use, without adequate nourishment or education, or without competent professional legal defense when called to answer before a court. I'd take those areas as a minimum immediate standard.

What is Socialism and how does it provide that paradise on earth? :?
Socialism is not a paradise. It's just a different system of government which is more equitable.
The 'radical' left just wants everyone to have food, shelter, healthcare, education and a living wage. Man that's radical!....ooooohhhh Scary!

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