Socialism vs Capitalism - An xfrodobagginsx Compilation Thread

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:50 pm

Under the new tax scheme in the US the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Americans are welcome to Trump. Thanks God he is not here in Canada.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:48 pm

Ted;1515435 wrote: Under the new tax scheme in the US the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Americans are welcome to Trump. Thanks God he is not here in Canada.

GDP under Trump is already higher than any year under Obama. Obama had the Lowest GDP average of any US President. The Deficit rose $909 Billion per year on average under Obama, higher than any President. Trump's first year already is lower Deficit than any year under Obama. Record stock market high under Trump. Unemployment claims under Trump are the lowest in 44 years. Trump's tax cuts will spur even more prosperity. Capitalism made America great, Socialism destroys every Country that it touches. Would you rather be unequally rich under Capitalism or equally poor under Socialism?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:52 pm

LarsMac;1515338 wrote: You should look into what HE probably leaves out

I do and he doesn't leave out anything, in fact, he tells me things I don't hear anywhere else unless I dig deep.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:35 pm

Xfrod you surprise me but maybe I shouldn't be surprised. Since the new tax bill was passed it shows that trump is going to put another trillion in the pot . In my view Trump lied his way into office and has been telling many stories since: One thing on Monday and the opposite on Tues.. It seems to me that his so called Christian behavior is anything but. In trying to change Obama Care he is cutting millions out of health care.. It is plain he is doing his best to make the US into a hated nation. A good part of so called "Christian America" has no idea what it means to be Christian. Is GDP the measure of a Christian country?? That is a joke. Unbridled capitalism is a Curse where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This was what Jesus was against. So Xfrod your god has been ,and is money.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:09 pm

Ted;1515504 wrote: Xfrod you surprise me but maybe I shouldn't be surprised. Since the new tax bill was passed it shows that trump is going to put another trillion in the pot . In my view Trump lied his way into office and has been telling many stories since: One thing on Monday and the opposite on Tues.. It seems to me that his so called Christian behavior is anything but. In trying to change Obama Care he is cutting millions out of health care.. It is plain he is doing his best to make the US into a hated nation. A good part of so called "Christian America" has no idea what it means to be Christian. Is GDP the measure of a Christian country?? That is a joke. Unbridled capitalism is a Curse where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This was what Jesus was against. So Xfrod your god has been ,and is money.

They are basing that figure on if the economy stays the same. It won't. It's already better than it was under Obama because Socialism is a failure everywhere it's tried. Even America. Trump is doing everything he said he would do and Conservatives love it. His policies are right in line with Christians and Conservatives,but Liberals hate him because he's actually helping America. I am more worried about his policies than his personal life. Capitalism unbridled will create prosperity for all. Unbridled Socialism will give you communism and poverty, oppression. Jesus is not against rich people or poor people. He was for giving from the heart, unlike Socialsm which steals from those who work hard and gives to those who don't work. That's not Biblical. Paul said that if a man won't work, he shouldn't eat.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:43 pm

BOOM: US Economy SMASHES ESTIMATES, Adds 230K Jobs, Capitalism Works, Socialism Does Not.

https://www.hannity.com/content/2017-12 ... 230k-jobs/

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:54 pm

Hannity has almost as much credibility as Pat Robertson

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:04 pm

LarsMac;1515598 wrote: Hannity has almost as much credibility as Pat Robertson

Wow. To compete with Pat Robertson you have to move down pretty far on the scale.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:49 pm

The numbers are true, no matter who is cowing about them. Question is,

SO WHAT?

It is not the stats themselves, but in the long run, has anything changed?

I'll give that baboso hasn't screw the trend started by that Obama guy.

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id: LNS14000000

Seasonally Adjusted

Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Rate

Labor force status: Unemployment rate

Type of data: Percent or rate

Age: 16 years and over

Series Id: LNS11300000

Seasonally Adjusted

Series title: (Seas) Labor Force Participation Rate

Labor force status: Civilian labor force participation rate

Type of data: Percent or rate

Age: 16 years and over

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:47 pm

7 straight years of job growth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/08/busin ... picks=true

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:23 pm

According to this article Obama LOST 303,000 Manufacturing jobs:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ring-jobs/

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:15 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515604 wrote: According to this article Obama LOST 303,000 Manufacturing jobs:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ring-jobs/

Uh, there was the

Financial Banking Crisis 2008

See that anywhere near the top of the curve?

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)

Series Id: CES3000000001

Seasonally Adjusted

Series Title: All employees, thousands, manufacturing, seasonally adjusted

Super Sector: Manufacturing

Industry: Manufacturing

NAICS Code: -

Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

One can argue the recovery could have been quicker, but that is coulda woulda shudda.

Just a person note, I spent most my life in manufacturing and learned that progress not only eliminated jobs for my fathers generation, but folks like me. That trend goes back to the industrial revolution.

Remember the THE ROARING TWENTIES

It took Trump to make me say anything positive about Barack Obama.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:51 pm

There are plenty of reasons to complain regarding Obama's presidency, however, the economy is not one of them. In fact, what is worth criticising Obama for are all those areas where he abandoned his progressive values and caved to neocon ideology, like war & nationalism.

To that extent, it is positive that Trump is upending traditional political convention. It's his policies that are abhorrent. The man is an ignoramus regarding science and civil rights.

The more I see and hear Trump the more I find myself in agreement with those who regard him as a sociopath.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:02 pm

Ahso!;1515614 wrote: There are plenty of reasons to complain regarding Obama's presidency, however, the economy is not one of them. In fact, what is worth criticising Obama for are all those areas where he abandoned his progressive values and caved to neocon ideology, like war & nationalism.

To that extent, it is positive that Trump is upending traditional political convention. It's his policies that are abhorrent. The man is an ignoramus regarding science and civil rights.

The more I see and hear Trump the more I find myself in agreement with those who regard him as a sociopath.

Obama's economic growth was the slowest of any President in History. I would say that that is a problem. Trump's economy is already doing better than any year under Obama.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:13 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515619 wrote: Obama's economic growth was the slowest of any President in History. I would say that that is a problem. Trump's economy is already doing better than any year under Obama.Poli want a cracker?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:04 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515619 wrote: Obama's economic growth was the slowest of any President in History. I would say that that is a problem. Trump's economy is already doing better than any year under Obama.I'll take you seriously for a minute.

Understanding successful investing means having a long-term strategy. Economic viability for a person, group or any large entity such as a corporation or even a nation is highly dependent on the stability and, to as much as possible, the predictability of a given market. Jobs are a market, hence the term "jobs market".

Obama's economic team understood this, and more than that implemented such a long-term strategy. The recovery was slow, yes, but it was also quite predictable and fairly stable. The stability, in this case, was dependent on the predictability, which is why an economy benefits by a president who engages the markets with consistent and reasonable rhetoric. Obama did this quite well, which was borne out by the way the economy responded. It was a steady upward tilt.

Republicans, OTOH, have a different philosophy. They like to try to "jolt" the economy with short-term infusions of money in the way of tax cuts for those people who they believe will, in turn, create jobs. They believe this will result in a viable long-term strategy, not unlike Obama's outcome of steady growth. The problem with this approach is that history has shown us that that is rarely, if ever, the resulting outcome. George HW Bush called this approach "voodoo economics", and he was correct in that assessment. But being a yes man and a politician, he went along with it to become Reagan's VP. But I digress.

The point here is that Trump appears to be doing more of the same and betting on a different outcome that has always been the case. This is the very definition of economic insanity and why people are concerned with his policy. It always looks good short term, but then it always crashes eventually.

It's better to go slow and steady.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:52 am

Debate the nature of a liar. Obviously someone who deliberately says things they know are not true is a straightforward liar. What about someone who restates a fact, but in a context where it is misleading like the title of this thread?The facts stated are true, but the context makes it a lie. The jobs have occurred in the first months of Trump's presidency which means they are a consequence of previous efforts and effects, not of anything he might have done.

Now, I am assuming xf isn't a complete moron. But if he isn't then he knows this perfectly well and is deliberately trying to deceive. In my book this is a classic religious-type lie.

A standard argument would be that he has said nothing untrue (in the title) and that therefore he has told no lies. I would argue that he was not ignorant of the true facts and that the whole intent of the title and the piece was to deceive the reader into drawing conclusions that aren't true (for the "greater good" naturally) and that the whole thing is a lie from a liar.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:13 am

I don't think fraudo knows squat about economics, he just parrots other people (appeal to authority fallacy). That said, it's all a person raised in a cult knows how to do. I try to cut him some slack, but boy is it annoying.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:41 pm

Clodhopper;1515667 wrote: Debate the nature of a liar. Obviously someone who deliberately says things they know are not true is a straightforward liar. What about someone who restates a fact, but in a context where it is misleading like the title of this thread?The facts stated are true, but the context makes it a lie. The jobs have occurred in the first months of Trump's presidency which means they are a consequence of previous efforts and effects, not of anything he might have done.

Now, I am assuming xf isn't a complete moron. But if he isn't then he knows this perfectly well and is deliberately trying to deceive. In my book this is a classic religious-type lie.

A standard argument would be that he has said nothing untrue (in the title) and that therefore he has told no lies. I would argue that he was not ignorant of the true facts and that the whole intent of the title and the piece was to deceive the reader into drawing conclusions that aren't true (for the "greater good" naturally) and that the whole thing is a lie from a liar.

Sometimes things might be misunderstood. For example some may read my response to the OP as an endorsement of the tragic Obama years.

Fact is all that is making Trump looking good is enthusiasm without substance. Give it some time to see what will befall us.

A good example of the problems ahead with a much needed Tax Reform. A large bill passing quickly and no debate i.e Obama Care is a shoddy example of political expedience.

One problem is the LAZY slug which comforts himself at Mara Logo has no care except to claim a victory without reading, much less understanding what he is about to saddle us with.

Tax Reform: â€œUnintended Consequencesâ€

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:23 pm

The notion of a short term boost so as to benefit the many is a fallacy. All it benefits is the pockets of those who are in the best positions to reap the rewards, then squirrel it away in Tax Havens at the expense of the Masses. In all his time in office Trump has still refused to reveal his Tax Records - something readily done by all his predecessors. He has a long history of driving businesses into Bankruptcy & defaulting on debts, with many major lawsuits ordering him to pay, which he has simply ignored. The man is a narcissist, a bigot, an egoist, a zealot, a liar & the biggest threat to World Peace ever. His recent actions regarding Jerusalem is clearly done for no other reason than to inflame the Muslims further. He has no interest in anything but his own self belief of glory - certainly not of the everyday worker.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:40 pm

Keep watch on the US Economy if Trump gets his tax cuts. The economy is going to boom because Capitalism works, Socialism does not.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:42 pm

Ted;1515504 wrote: So Xfrod your god has been ,and is money.

Nope, just because I like having it and know that Capistalism works doesn't mean that I worship money. Do you worship Socialism and Poverty, Government Oppression?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:20 am

xfrodobagginsx;1515746 wrote: Keep watch on the US Economy if Trump gets his tax cuts. The economy is going to boom because Capitalism works, Socialism does not.

And reporting an increase in jobs that takes place during the month of maximum uptake in casual farm labour is meant to be meaningful? This is why serious reporting always seasonally adjusts the figures and, normally, reports non-farm job figures in the US.

To quote from a more informed source :-

Bureau of Labor Statistics wrote:

The labor force participation rate remained at 62.7 percent in November and has shown no

clear trend over the past 12 months. The employment-population ratio, at 60.1 percent,

changed little in November and has shown little movement, on net, since early this year.

(See table A-1.)

I do admit, however, that the employment figures are rising :-

Bureau of Labor Statistics wrote:

Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 228,000 in November. Employment continued to

trend up in professional and business services, manufacturing, and health care. Employment

growth has averaged 174,000 per month thus far this year, compared with an average monthly

gain of 187,000 in 2016. (See table B-1.)

Just that they are rising at a slower rate than they were in Obama's last year.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:01 pm

Say what you want. WATCH what happens to the economy under Trump's Capitalism. It's gonna be the best economy the US has had in years. Obama messed up the economy with Socialism.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:31 pm

Xfrod do you need a new pair of glasses that you might see better. You capitalist America under trump is becoming more hated then daily. No money is the god of capitalism. Trickle down economy has been shown time and time again to be a false concept.. Jesus is reported to have said that true religion is caring for the orpjans and widows. You can have your

America because most Canadians want no part of it. In my view trump lied his way into the White House and has been lying ever since. Instead of helping those in need Trump just wants to kick them out. That is not Christianity in my view. When it came to weapons Jesus would not permit his followers to luse a sword to defend him. I do know there are some decent

Americans but many have simply been deceived. Oban=ma was more Christian then Trump will be in the next 1000 years.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:59 pm

Ted;1515788 wrote: Xfrod do you need a new pair of glasses that you might see better. You capitalist America under trump is becoming more hated then daily. No money is the god of capitalism. Trickle down economy has been shown time and time again to be a false concept.. Jesus is reported to have said that true religion is caring for the orpjans and widows. You can have your

America because most Canadians want no part of it. In my view trump lied his way into the White House and has been lying ever since. Instead of helping those in need Trump just wants to kick them out. That is not Christianity in my view. When it came to weapons Jesus would not permit his followers to luse a sword to defend him. I do know there are some decent

Americans but many have simply been deceived. Oban=ma was more Christian then Trump will be in the next 1000 years.

Trump and the Conservatives like myself don't CARE if we are liked or not. Europe is heading in the wrong direction and has been for a very long time. They need to follow America, not vice versa. They need God back in Europe and America needs to turn back to Him as well. Trickle down really? Under Trump's tax plan EVERY American is getting a tax cut who makes up to $500,000 per year. Sounds fair to me and doesn't sound trickle down either. Reagan did the same thing. Money is not our God, but it is a good thing to have. Government is the God of Socialism and we reject that. Don't care what Canadians think either. We are a Sovereign Country and don't need your approval. You are your types want Globalism and Socialism, which will turn into Communism in the end and misery for all, like North Korea. America does help those in need more than Canada and more than Europe. Maybe you all should step it up and pay your fair share instead of complaining. Trump didn't lie, it was Hillary and Liberals like you love to ignore evidence that doesn't go their way. Jesus wouldn't allow His followers to use a sword? or use a sword to defend Jesus? Because Jesus clearly told His disciples to sell their cloak and purchase a sword for defense. That would be the same as a gun today. Jesus didn't let Peter defend Him because Jesus had to die so that He could save mankind from their sins IF they will place their faith in Him and believe in their heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead. Have you done this? Obama did everything the complete opposite of what a Christian aught to do. He was the most Anti Christian President in American History.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:22 am

Hey Bilbo......................

Only 20 % of Americans earn $100,000 or more. And since this is household income that often comes from 2 salaries.

66 percent of US wage earners made less than or equal to $41,211.36.

Nice for some.................very Christian

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:42 am

When christianity took over and ruled in europe it was called the dark ages. The age of enlightenment started when religion started to be challenged, the end of slavery and the concept of human rights i.e the basic rights and freedoms that belong to every person in the world, from birth until death. ... These basic rights are based on values like dignity, fairness, equality, respect and independence. You cannot have them where christianity holds sway the two are not compatible.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Despite the mention of god those are secular concepts were it not for religious belief those rights might have been extended to the ***** slaves and indigenous people instead religion gave the moral fabric under which repression and genccide was permitted and indeed encouraged. Not to mention the vile effect eve''s curse has had on women right from biblical times. Your religious right would take america back to the stone age if they got half the chance.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:57 am

xfrodobagginsx;1515789 wrote: Trump and the Conservatives like myself don't CARE if we are liked or not. Europe is heading in the wrong direction and has been for a very long time. They need to follow America, not vice versa. They need God back in Europe and America needs to turn back to Him as well. Trickle down really? Under Trump's tax plan EVERY American is getting a tax cut who makes up to $500,000 per year. Sounds fair to me and doesn't sound trickle down either. Reagan did the same thing. Money is not our God, but it is a good thing to have. Government is the God of Socialism and we reject that. Don't care what Canadians think either. We are a Sovereign Country and don't need your approval. You are your types want Globalism and Socialism, which will turn into Communism in the end and misery for all, like North Korea. America does help those in need more than Canada and more than Europe. Maybe you all should step it up and pay your fair share instead of complaining. Trump didn't lie, it was Hillary and Liberals like you love to ignore evidence that doesn't go their way. Jesus wouldn't allow His followers to use a sword? or use a sword to defend Jesus? Because Jesus clearly told His disciples to sell their cloak and purchase a sword for defense. That would be the same as a gun today. Jesus didn't let Peter defend Him because Jesus had to die so that He could save mankind from their sins IF they will place their faith in Him and believe in their heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead. Have you done this? Obama did everything the complete opposite of what a Christian aught to do. He was the most Anti Christian President in American History.

You obviously have not read the bill that the Senate passed. First thing, the bottom tax bracket is being changed from 10% to 12%. The next bracket is 25%

I currently have been in the 17% bracket, but with some medical deductions and deduction for state and local taxes my net taxes have been around 13-14%. When this new tax bill kicks in, those deductions will be gone, and my new tax rate will be 25%

The good news is that after a few years, they will eliminate the 12% bracket, and everyone making less than 260k/year will be in the 25% bracket. We will all be in the same boat, then.

The only thing I see in your post that is probably true is : "Trump and the Conservatives like myself don't CARE if we are liked or not."

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:27 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515789 wrote: They need God back in Europe and America needs to turn back to Him as well.

OK. Which God? Presbyterians like myself are OK with homosexuality and same-sex marriage and we're Christians. Mormons condone polygamy. They're Christians. Methodists are Ok with female pastors.

Are you Ok with those Christians?

I'll bet not. Which means that you really aren't for freedom of religion unless everyone believes just like you. That's not American by any definition.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:40 pm

Saint_;1515802 wrote: OK. Which God? Presbyterians like myself are OK with homosexuality and same-sex marriage and we're Christians. Mormons condone polygamy. They're Christians. Methodists are Ok with female pastors.

Are you Ok with those Christians?

I'll bet not. Which means that you really aren't for freedom of religion unless everyone believes just like you. That's not American by any definition.

The God of the Bible. The way they used to believe when they actually followed the Bible. Mormons are a cult and not really Christian. They preach a different Jesus. They can call themselves anything they want, if they don't follow the Bible than they aren't doing what God actually says to do now are they?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:11 pm

Don't forget about the all time high stock market under Trump....

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:50 am

xfrodobagginsx;1515810 wrote: The God of the Bible. The way they used to believe when they actually followed the Bible. Mormons are a cult and not really Christian. They preach a different Jesus. They can call themselves anything they want, if they don't follow the Bible than they aren't doing what God actually says to do now are they?

Jehova's witness OK then ?

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:11 am

This is an interesting article.

Worth a read.

Washington Post: The-biggest-Pinocchios-of-2017

Glad someone is fact-checking. Seems a lot of Americans are quite comfy wallowing in the swamp of misinformation.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:23 am

xfrodobagginsx;1515779 wrote: Say what you want. WATCH what happens to the economy under Trump's Capitalism. It's gonna be the best economy the US has had in years. Obama messed up the economy with Socialism.

You have made claims about what has happened so far that don't bear scrutiny - why should I expect your predictions of the future to be any more realistic?

Also, there is a big difference between short term boom, which is what we might see, and long term growth which we were beginning to see under Obama. Which do you see as best for the country - growth or boom and bust?

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:27 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515779 wrote: Say what you want. WATCH what happens to the economy under Trump's Capitalism. It's gonna be the best economy the US has had in years. Obama messed up the economy with Socialism.

You really should change the channel, now and again. Try the Cartoon Network.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:30 pm

LarsMac;1515833 wrote: This is an interesting article.

Worth a read.

Washington Post: The-biggest-Pinocchios-of-2017

Glad someone is fact-checking. Seems a lot of Americans are quite comfy wallowing in the swamp of misinformation.Sorry, but that article contains lots of lies and exaggerations (misinformation). Typical WP propaganda. What sh!t publications it and the NY Times has become.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:47 pm

LarsMac;1515833 wrote: This is an interesting article.

Worth a read.

Washington Post: The-biggest-Pinocchios-of-2017

Glad someone is fact-checking. Seems a lot of Americans are quite comfy wallowing in the swamp of misinformation.

Dang it, I wished I posted that here. I did on Facebook just to annoy certain friends and family.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:57 pm

A tragic Greek comedy.

INSIDE TRUMPâ€™S

HOUR-BY-HOUR

BATTLE FOR

SELF-PRESERVATION

With Twitter as his Excalibur, the president

takes on his doubters, powered by long spells

of cable news and a dozen Diet Cokes. But

if Mr. Trump has yet to bend the presidency

to his will, he is at least wrestling it to a draw.

WASHINGTON â€” Around 5:30 each morning, President Trump wakes and tunes into the television in the White Houseâ€™s master bedroom. He flips to CNN for news, moves to â€œFox & Friendsâ€ for comfort and messaging ideas, and sometimes watches MSNBCâ€™s â€œMorning Joeâ€ because, friends suspect, it fires him up for the day.

Energized, infuriated â€” often a gumbo of both â€” Mr. Trump grabs his iPhone. Sometimes he tweets while propped on his pillow, according to aides. Other times he tweets from the den next door, watching another television. Less frequently, he makes his way up the hall to the ornate Treaty Room, sometimes dressed for the day, sometimes still in night clothes, where he begins his official and unofficial calls.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:52 pm

Ahso!;1515839 wrote: Sorry, but that article contains lots of lies and exaggerations (misinformation). Typical WP propaganda. What sh!t publications it and the NY Times has become.

Care to elaborate?

These days, it seems, All news is commentary

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:26 pm

Ku Klux Klan must be fine then.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:48 pm

The claims of a rising economy based on employment numbers are mirrored in the UK. The numbers of people in work may well be up, but so is the number of people who remain in poverty whilst in work. Capitalism usurps the masses, by the few getting rich on the the suffering of the many. There is no "Trickle Down Economy". Once the money is made it is squirrelled away into Offshore Tax Havens.

Averages & statistics have always been notorious for their ability to be manipulated to demonstrate whatever the presenter wants it to portray. For instance, under a Socialist Co-Operative a salary budget of Â£1000 would have 10 people each getting Â£100 each. A Capitalist regime would have 9 people getting Â£50 & 1 getting Â£550 which, as a Mean Average is still an average pay of Â£100 for the 10 people. The Median Average would be Â£250 (being half way between highest & lowest), and the Mode, which is the only realistic one (being most commonly occuring) is Â£50. The only one that the Capitalist system benefits is the one who gets the Â£550.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:57 pm

If Trump weren't so serious issue he would be a good joke. If he doesn't like the news it becomes "fake news". As as far as I can see the only fake news comes out of the White House.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:24 pm

tude dog;1515843 wrote: A tragic Greek comedy.

INSIDE TRUMPâ€™S

HOUR-BY-HOUR

BATTLE FOR

SELF-PRESERVATION

With Twitter as his Excalibur, the president

takes on his doubters, powered by long spells

of cable news and a dozen Diet Cokes. But

if Mr. Trump has yet to bend the presidency

to his will, he is at least wrestling it to a draw.

WASHINGTON â€” Around 5:30 each morning, President Trump wakes and tunes into the television in the White Houseâ€™s master bedroom. He flips to CNN for news, moves to â€œFox & Friendsâ€ for comfort and messaging ideas, and sometimes watches MSNBCâ€™s â€œMorning Joeâ€ because, friends suspect, it fires him up for the day.

Energized, infuriated â€” often a gumbo of both â€” Mr. Trump grabs his iPhone. Sometimes he tweets while propped on his pillow, according to aides. Other times he tweets from the den next door, watching another television. Less frequently, he makes his way up the hall to the ornate Treaty Room, sometimes dressed for the day, sometimes still in night clothes, where he begins his official and unofficial calls.
Right on cue. I'm not sure what's worse; stupid cartoons or stupid NY Times pieces.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:45 pm

LarsMac;1515845 wrote: Care to elaborate?

These days, it seems, All news is commentary
â€œI just found out Obama wiretapped meâ€

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/24/s ... ter-trump/

â€œThe Russia story is fake newsâ€

It sure looks to be fake news because there's been nothing in the way of hard evidence to support Russia-Gate.

â€œ36,000 people will die yearly if Republicans repeal Obamacareâ€Interesting that WP would pick something from Bernie Sanders, a progressive, while not quoting one misstatement or outright lie or call to war from Hillary Clinton, a hawk (neocon).

â€œ129 million people with preexisting conditions could be denied coverageâ€

Kamala Harris might be an opportunist, but she is also more progressive than the neocons at the WP. And, Harris might have been correct for all anyone knows.

â€œWe got Syria to verifiably give up its chemical weapons stockpileâ€Susan Rice is not one of my favorites, though she was right here. The so-called Sarin nerve gas incident is shown to have been false.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/07/n ... hallenged/

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:01 pm

LarsMac;1515838 wrote: You really should change the channel, now and again. Try the Cartoon Network.You mean the other cartoon network, don't you?

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:23 pm

Ahso!;1515865 wrote: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/24/s ... ter-trump/

It sure looks to be fake news because there's been nothing in the way of hard evidence to support Russia-Gate.

Interesting that WP would pick something from Bernie Sanders, a progressive, while not quoting one misstatement or outright lie or call to war from Hillary Clinton, a hawk (neocon).

Kamala Harris might be an opportunist, but she is also more progressive than the neocons at the WP. And, Harris might have been correct for all anyone knows.

Susan Rice is not one of my favorites, though she was right here. The so-called Sarin nerve gas incident is shown to have been false.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/07/n ... hallenged/

I find it fascinating how such articles can attract such divers reactions from people.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:22 am

LarsMac;1515871 wrote: I find it fascinating how such articles can attract such divers reactions from people.I have no idea what you're talking about. The question is whether or not the WP piece is serious and factual or not. I've shown it be anything but either in the parts I addressed. The rest of the piece is akin to what one might read in a tabloid. In fact, it's all tabloid journalism, including the Times piece presented, I'm guessing, as a followup[?].

Along with CNN, MSNBC, FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC (and dozens of other so-called news outlets) both publications are being run by neocons who appear to want to be in control of information rather than simply report it. They all appear to be nothing more than echo chambers for intelligence and the defense department, and, their combined purpose appears to be to keep the American population conditioned for perpetual war and conflict using nationalism as the main tool.

Not that Trump and his band of idiots are any better, but then all we had as an alternative was a neocon in a pantsuit.

Whatever democratic ideals the US has valued in the past, they appear to be just about gone now.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:55 pm

tude dog;1515843 wrote: moves to â€œFox & Friendsâ€ for comfort and messaging ideas.

Shouldn't that read "massaging ideas?"

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:31 pm

Ted;1515861 wrote: If Trump weren't so serious issue he would be a good joke. If he doesn't like the news it becomes "fake news". As as far as I can see the only fake news comes out of the White House.

Every policy he has enacted has been good for America.