Socialism vs Capitalism - An xfrodobagginsx Compilation Thread

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:33 pm

LarsMac;1515838 wrote: You really should change the channel, now and again. Try the Cartoon Network.

Historically, tax cuts help the economy because it gives more money to the people, which in turn gets put back into the economy.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:32 am

xfrodobagginsx;1515940 wrote: Historically, tax cuts help the economy because it gives more money to the people, which in turn gets put back into the economy.

That's true when you cut taxes for the poor but never when you cut taxes for the rich and certainly not when you cut taxation for the big corporations.

A move from direct taxation to indirect taxation of luxury goods would benefit everybody.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:10 am

xfrodobagginsx;1515939 wrote: Every policy he has enacted has been good for America.

That should read "Every policy he enacts is good for the American President's future business."

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:41 pm

When money becomes god.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:55 pm

Bruv;1515963 wrote: That should read "Every policy he enacts is good for the American President's future business."

It may well be, but it is good for ALL of America as well. Love Trump.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:59 pm

Bryn Mawr;1515956 wrote: That's true when you cut taxes for the poor but never when you cut taxes for the rich and certainly not when you cut taxation for the big corporations.

A move from direct taxation to indirect taxation of luxury goods would benefit everybody.

The tax cuts for the Rich crap is a lie. The tax cuts are for everyone including the Poor and the Rich.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:53 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515997 wrote: The tax cuts for the Rich crap is a lie. The tax cuts are for everyone including the Poor and the Rich.

Whilst I haven't read the latest round of US tax cuts in detail past history would suggest that you are mistaken.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:58 pm

Ted;1515985 wrote: When money becomes god.

Being smart enough to choose prosperity over poverty is not the same as worsgipping money.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:02 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515995 wrote: It may well be, but it is good for ALL of America as well. Love Trump.

Bet you could never love him more than he loves himself.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:03 pm

Trump in my view is a sad excuse for a president. But hey you got him and you can keep him.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:05 pm

In my view Trump is a sad excuse for president but you've got him and thanks but keep him out of Canada.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:16 pm

No damned good for those living in poverty No damned good for those turned away from hospitals because they do not have the money. Christian???????.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:19 pm

It seems to me that many Americans should learn something if not much about the human condition.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:51 pm

Ted;1516024 wrote: It seems to me that many Americans should learn something if not much about the human condition.So we can what, understand it as well as you do? No thanks!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:57 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515995 wrote: It may well be, but it is good for ALL of America as well. Love Trump.Of course you love Trump, he's a thrice married, pussy-grabbing liar who refuses to pay contractors or employees that do work for him. And I'm just scratching the surface.

You love him because you identify with him.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:46 am

Do The Rich Pay Their Fair Share Of Taxes?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:15 am

Ahso!;1516026 wrote: Of course you love Trump, he's a thrice married, pussy-grabbing liar who refuses to pay contractors or employees that do work for him. And I'm just scratching the surface.

You love him because you identify with him.

I don't love him for those things that he did while he was a Democrat and the Democrats had no problem with them and LOVED him UNTIL he became a Republican. I love him for the POLICIES that he is enacting, which are GREAT for America. I identify with his policies, yes.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:15 am

xfrodobagginsx;1516046 wrote: Do The Rich Pay Their Fair Share Of Taxes?

Firstly define "fair" 'cos I'm almost certain that our definitions are mutually incompatible.

Secondly, what authority does a neo-con talk show host that you consider his word to be worth listening to? He might call his organisation a university but it's nothing but a propaganda outlet nontheless.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:18 am

Under Trump's Capitalism: Black Unemployment Rate Lowest in 17 Years

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/mi ... t-17-years

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:01 pm

Shrug. load of crap from a lying hypocrite x.

A disgrace to Christianity - at least a Christianity that can be differentiated from Muslim terrorists. I see no fundamental difference between xfrodothing and Osama bin Laden or Charles Manson. They were as evil, but more practical.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:57 pm

Clodhopper;1516068 wrote: I see no fundamental difference between xfrodothing and Osama bin Laden or Charles Manson. They were as evil, but more practical.

What you been drinking?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:08 pm

When were you going to mention that trump is the new messiah?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:33 pm

gmc;1516070 wrote: When were you going to mention that trump is the new messiah?

He hasn't already ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:25 pm

Somebody might address the substance of the post rather the the attacking the poster.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:30 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1516047 wrote: I don't love him for those things that he did while he was a Democrat and the Democrats had no problem with them and LOVED him UNTIL he became a Republican. I love him for the POLICIES that he is enacting, which are GREAT for America. I identify with his policies, yes.JFC, you just keep outdoing yourself. Now political affiliation is responsible one's personal moral conduct?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:30 pm

A substantive post by fraud-o? Where?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:29 pm

tude dog;1516073 wrote: Somebody might address the substance of the post rather the the attacking the poster.

Exactly! They don't want to hear anything positive about Trump or Capitalism. The fake news gives them what they want. I'm gonna tell the story that the fake news won't. Trump's policies are working unlike Obama's.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:39 am

xfrodobagginsx;1516077 wrote: Exactly! They don't want to hear anything positive about Trump or Capitalism. The fake news gives them what they want. I'm gonna tell the story that the fake news won't. Trump's policies are working unlike Obama's.

Bollocks. Things don't change that quickly trump is getting credit for poilicies instigated by obama just as obama got the blame for the damage done by bush. Trump is putin's creature and you do not live in a capitalist country you've just been conned in to believing you do.

Question for you. I don't get the appeal of make america great again as a slogan.Why do you think america isn't great and when was the last time it was great?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:06 am

gmc;1516087 wrote: Bollocks. Things don't change that quickly trump is getting credit for poilicies instigated by obama just as obama got the blame for the damage done by bush. Trump is putin's creature and you do not live in a capitalist country you've just been conned in to believing you do.

Question for you. I don't get the appeal of make america great again as a slogan.Why do you think america isn't great and when was the last time it was great?

Ha! Yes they do! It NEVER got better under Obama. Look at the economy under him. Obama would LOVE to take credit for what he didn't do. Just the word of Trump being elected sent stocks higher because captialist investors knew that the economy would grow rather than shrink like it did under Obama. Obama was Anti Business and Conservatives are pro business. If you were an investor which person would you want? Plus all of the mass regulations were cut by Trump which were costing Billions and Billions of dollars. Watch what happens when Trump's tax cuts take effect. Booming economy. Watch and see. Mark it down.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:15 pm

xfrod.... may I ask your age grouping. ( i don't expect to get a thruthful answer but I'd really like to know) And what kind of work do you do?

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:19 pm

Here there are talks of a tax cut to middle income earners and big Corps.

This after cutting funding to social entities such as safe houses for battered women, drug rehabs, foster care, job provider agencies.

And what's interesting is at the same time whispers of raising the GST which everyone gets stung with.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:54 am

magentaflame;1516127 wrote: Here there are talks of a tax cut to middle income earners and big Corps.

This after cutting funding to social entities such as safe houses for battered women, drug rehabs, foster care, job provider agencies.

And what's interesting is at the same time whispers of raising the GST which everyone gets stung with.

As long as GST is like VAT and only levied on luxury items is this a problem?

If it really is a "general" Sales Tax then it is indeed a BIG problem.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:46 am

Bryn Mawr;1516181 wrote: As long as GST is like VAT and only levied on luxury items is this a problem?

If it really is a "general" Sales Tax then it is indeed a BIG problem.

Where did yiou get the idea that VAT was only levied on luxury goods?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:09 am

gmc;1516187 wrote: Where did yiou get the idea that VAT was only levied on luxury goods?

UK VAT is 0% on "Life Necessities and 5% on other basics such as heating oil - the full 20% is therefore charged on things considered to be luxuries.

You and I would class many things as life necessities that the government class as luxuries but the intent is clear, it is the execution that is flawed.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:31 am

In many cases poverty is not a choice. The new tax bill just makes the rich get richer and the poor poorer. Jesus himself came for the poor and the oppressed which is what

America is trying to boost . Help the rich get richer. This is not Christian behavior. Regan took all controls of the Banks in the futile hope of trickle down prosperity which has been shown to be a false idea .. Then greed took over and look what resulted in 2008.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:54 pm

Bryn Mawr;1516189 wrote: ... but the intent is clear, it is the execution that is flawed.

There is the assessment of government, wherever we seem to be.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:42 pm

LarsMac;1516203 wrote: There is the assessment of government, wherever we seem to be.

Amen

Mark Aspam · Post by **Mark Aspam** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:21 pm

CNSnews (not to be confused with CNN) is complete bullsh*t.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:54 pm

GOP TAX PLAN PASSES LARGEST TAX CUTS IN HISTORY: It cuts taxes on 80% of Americans, 15% will stay the same and 5%, rich people, earning over $500.000 per year will see an increase in taxes. It's gonna save between $1600-$2000 per year on taxes for the average American. It cuts the Corporate tax rate from 35%, the highest in the Industrialized world down to 20% which is going to bring jobs back to America. Obama added nearly $1 Trillion on average per year to the deficit. This at worst will at $1 Trillion in 10 years, but it won't do that anyway because it's going to generate more tax revenue than before. It will probably cause a surplus which we could use to pay down the debt, if the Liberals don't find a way to spend it.

Upon this Bills passage, Wells Fargo and 5/3 Bank announced it was going to raise their starting pay up to $15 per hour for employees. AT&T and Comcast announced that they are going to give $1000 bonuses to all of their employees for Christmas this year. AT&T alone has over 200,000 employees.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson ... s-n2424201

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:14 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1516240 wrote: GOP TAX PLAN PASSES LARGEST TAX CUTS IN HISTORY: It cuts taxes on 80% of Americans, 15% will stay the same and 5%, rich people, earning over $500.000 per year will see an increase in taxes. It's gonna save between $1600-$2000 per year on taxes for the average American. It cuts the Corporate tax rate from 35%, the highest in the Industrialized world down to 20% which is going to bring jobs back to America. Obama added nearly $1 Trillion on average per year to the deficit. This at worst will at $1 Trillion in 10 years, but it won't do that anyway because it's going to generate more tax revenue than before. It will probably cause a surplus which we could use to pay down the debt, if the Liberals don't find a way to spend it.

Upon this Bills passage, Wells Fargo and 5/3 Bank announced it was going to raise their starting pay up to $15 per hour for employees. AT&T and Comcast announced that they are going to give $1000 bonuses to all of their employees for Christmas this year. AT&T alone has over 200,000 employees.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson ... s-n2424201

ATT has more than 200000. By the way, the same day they said they are giving that 1000 bucks to 200000 employees, they laid off nearly a thousand.

That is where the money is coming from, I reckon.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:02 pm

Trump's Capitalism Is Working. Jobless Rate For Latinos At All Time Low. Black Unemployment At 17 Year Low. Socialism Destroys The Economy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 4b33b8360e

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:00 pm

You really dont understand what socialism is do you? If you had a socialist system you wouldnt have an issue to discuss

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:05 pm

And your petticoat is slipping...youre mentioning job rates based on race....what ****ing mixed up country are you living in ****knuckle!?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:23 am

Taxes are basically a pool that everyone pays into in order to share the benefits of something they get back from it. For instance, in the UK we still have the NHS, despite the Tories' attempts to Privatise it. The NHS is funded by our Taxes, and you will find that the vast majority of Brits have no problem with this, and most, including myself, would even be willing to pay a bit more if necessary in order to maintain it. However, if the Tories get their way & sell it off, then there will no longer be that expense to the Tax Payer, and magically Taxes could then be dropped. However, the Health Service would still be there, but it would be funded by the Private companies who would then be running it as a Profit Making Venture which would be funded directly from Private Insurance. So, eliminating the NON-Profit funding might save you Â£1 from your pay packet in taxes, you would have to pay Private Health Insurance (which would most likely be made mandatory) Â£5. But, hey - you've managed to cut taxes by Â£1.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:14 am

FourPart;1516268 wrote: Taxes are basically a pool that everyone pays into in order to share the benefits of something they get back from it. For instance, in the UK we still have the NHS, despite the Tories' attempts to Privatise it. The NHS is funded by our Taxes, and you will find that the vast majority of Brits have no problem with this, and most, including myself, would even be willing to pay a bit more if necessary in order to maintain it. However, if the Tories get their way & sell it off, then there will no longer be that expense to the Tax Payer, and magically Taxes could then be dropped. However, the Health Service would still be there, but it would be funded by the Private companies who would then be running it as a Profit Making Venture which would be funded directly from Private Insurance. So, eliminating the NON-Profit funding might save you Â£1 from your pay packet in taxes, you would have to pay Private Health Insurance (which would most likely be made mandatory) Â£5. But, hey - you've managed to cut taxes by Â£1.

Historically, when taxes are lowered, tax revenue actually goes up. The reason is that people spend more when they have more money which helps the economy. That's why low taxes are a good thing. Yet, those on the left want to keep taxes high to keep people poor and dependent on the Government programs, which in turn keeps them in power.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:21 am

magentaflame;1516246 wrote: And your petticoat is slipping...youre mentioning job rates based on race....what ****ing mixed up country are you living in ****knuckle!?

In America, Blacks and minorities are held down by Democrats, yet they continue to vote overwhelmingly Democrat. The people who benefit most from Capitalism is actually the minorities. Over here, Democrats are obsessed with race. They falsely accuse white people of being racists continually. So, my point is to show that Capitalism benefits minorities even more than it does whites.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:54 am

xfrodobagginsx;1516328 wrote: Historically, when taxes are lowered, tax revenue actually goes up. The reason is that people spend more when they have more money which helps the economy. That's why low taxes are a good thing. Yet, those on the left want to keep taxes high to keep people poor and dependent on the Government programs, which in turn keeps them in power.

Please show some actual data to support that notion

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:23 pm

Of course, lower taxes will have a positive effect on the economy. I fully expect we get an increase to 3% GDP, if not a little more. Considering the lame years of the Obama administration that will be like a bonanza.

Now the problem is the deficit.

Too bad nobody has the bluster of a Trump to address the real threats to the future finical well being of our country, Trump has already made it clear he has no stomach for real reform addressing entitlements.

I remember when George Bush proposed a modest reform Social Security debate in the United States]Social Security debate in the United States all hell broke loose. Realy didn't matter what the proposal was, but that he dared touch the third rail

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:22 pm

tude dog;1516335 wrote: Of course, lower taxes will have a positive effect on the economy. I fully expect we get an increase to 3% GDP, if not a little more. Considering the lame years of the Obama administration that will be like a bonanza.

Now the problem is the deficit.

Too bad nobody has the bluster of a Trump to address the real threats to the future finical well being of our country, Trump has already made it clear he has no stomach for real reform addressing entitlements.

I remember when George Bush proposed a modest reform Social Security debate in the United States]Social Security debate in the United States all hell broke loose. Realy didn't matter what the proposal was, but that he dared touch the third rail

True, if consumers get a tax break, they will spend the money on goods and services. That logic is quite provable.

However, the idea that corporations will spend that tax saving by raising salaries, and putting that money back into the consumer stream has yet to be proven.

History shows that the money often goes into re-purchasing company stocks, bonuses and perks for executives, and such.

They will be willing to show higher profits, because they have less tax to pay on those profits. They MIGHT spend more money on infrastructure and research & development, which might translate into more money in the general money pool, but there is no incentive to encourage that.

The Government will have less money to spend on programs that benefit the nation and its citizens. Highways and bridges will continue to go without repair, other projects which actually put people to work will go wanting.

On the positive side, we may soon see absolute proof that running a country like a business will always be a bad idea.

The shareholders of a nation are its citizens, and the monies they pay in taxes are intended to be returned to those shareholders in services rendered.

Not squandered away on corporate welfare.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:15 pm

LarsMac;1516336 wrote: True, if consumers get a tax break, they will spend the money on goods and services. That logic is quite provable.

However, the idea that corporations will spend that tax saving by raising salaries, and putting that money back into the consumer stream has yet to be proven.

History shows that the money often goes into re-purchasing company stocks, bonuses and perks for executives, and such.

They will be willing to show higher profits because they have less tax to pay on those profits. They MIGHT spend more money on infrastructure and research & development, which might translate into more money in the general money pool, but there is no incentive to encourage that.

The Government will have less money to spend on programs that benefit the nation and its citizens. Highways and bridges will continue to go without repair, other projects which actually put people to work will go wanting.

On the positive side, we may soon see absolute proof that running a country like a business will always be a bad idea.

The shareholders of a nation are its citizens, and the monies they pay in taxes are intended to be returned to those shareholders in services rendered.

Not squandered away on corporate welfare.

A lot of what you say is true.

When a company makes a higher profit its first obligation is the shareholders (owners).

Workers like businesses must provide value for their labor. More employment opportunities which lead to competition is what leads to higher wages, not generosity.

A lot of promises are made by lower taxes, ignoring the great increase in our national debt. Spending, Deficit Concerns Arise With New Tax Law

Now what I am waiting for the hyped up infrastructure bill favored by both Democrat and Republican parties.

It will pass as 100 Senators and 435 representatives salivate over the PORK it will bring home.