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Competing claims over exact location

of Bible boat leave flood of questions

Has Noah's Ark, the legendary vessel of the Bible, been found?

Does it remain hidden?

Was there in fact a giant ship that guided humanity and animals through a 40-day flood, or is it all just ancient myth?

These questions have sparked countless debates for years, and several groups now are trying to settle the issue once and for all.

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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40060
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CVX, thanks for posting this. Fantastic article!
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I first read about the search for Noah's Ark back in 1969 in The Reader's Digest magazine. Then Time done a piece on it. I have alway's had a keen interest in these finds around the world.
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Noah’s Ark Expedition Halted

This is from Mediadrome:

http://www.themediadrome.com/cgi-bin/hi ... 8252,14862,

Sunday, September 12, 2004

Several weeks ago, The Mediadrome reported that Honolulu businessman, Daniel McGivern, was sponsoring an expedition up Mount Ararat in the hopes of finding Noah’s Ark. Based on satellite pictures taken in 2003, McGivern believes that a man-made structure resembling the biblical boat may very well be resting about 15,500 feet above sea level on the great mountain. The expedition was scheduled to begin on July 15th pending approval from the Turkish Government. McGivern has now received official word from the Turkish Embassy in Washington, D.C. stating his request “was declined by the relevant Turkish authorities due to security restrictions.” The reasoning is all very vague, but the end result is quite clear: McGivern’s search for Noah’s Ark has been cancelled. According to McGivern, he will not pursue the search any further: A good businessman calculates what amount of money and time he will invest and has to know when to walk away.”
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I remember Mt Ararat being mentioned many years ago as the place they think it happened. And this was a lot of years ago-back in the 80's maybe earlier. I remember my brother had told me when he was in the navy and they were training guys in Turkey there was a lot of stuff going around about how the gov over there refused to let a research team in to investigate it.If I remember correctly they gave a similar excuse back then-had something to do with security-which at the time things were bad in Turkey-but now-no one even hears about the country-is it still called that?
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Turkey is alive and well. Still a NATO member and a good friend of the U.S.
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'Noah's Ark' Samples Test Negative

New Zealand Herald



A New Zealander's quest to find Noah's Ark has suffered a double blow, with two samples he gathered in Turkey turning out to be rock, not petrified timber.



Ross Patterson delivered the samples last week to crown research institute Geological and Nuclear Sciences (GNS) in Wellington.



Senior geologist Hamish Campbell, who examined the samples, told NZPA today they were not wood or fossil material, as Mr Patterson had hoped, but volcanic rock.



The GNS service, which involved cutting the rock into slices 300ths of a millimetre thick, would cost about $60.



"I'm the geologist at Te Papa, and I get to see a vast amount of curious rocks that people bring in -- meteorites, things that are fished out of the ocean," Dr Campbell said.



"But I have to confess, this is the first time I have been presented with rocks that are considered to be of some religious and/or archeological significance."



One of the samples had "a lovely platey fabric" and Dr Campbell said he could see why Mr Patterson thought they might be fossil wood.



"I'm all for somebody chasing something like this -- it makes life interesting. GNS offers a service and we are very happy to sample rock in this way."



According to the Bible, Noah was commanded by God to build the ark and herd two specimens of all animal life into it before a great flood which lasted 40 days and 40 nights.



Mt Ararat, in eastern Turkey, is considered by many Christians to be the ark's resting place.



However Mr Patterson, 40, a freelance computer programmer based in Whangarei and Lower Hutt, took his samples from a ridge 19km from Mt Ararat, believed to be an alternative landing site.



A Christian with a Seventh Day Adventist background, he believes there is evidence remnants of Noah's floating zoo lie beneath the ridge 2000m above sea level, within a national park.



With his brother Keith Patterson, Whangarei retired pilot Geoff McCall, and three non-denominational friends from the United States and Sweden, Mr Patterson took his samples from the surface of the site, as the group did not have a permit to dig.



"The site has not been excavated because every winter it gets covered in snow, so if anything was exposed it would deteriorate, and the Turkish government has stipulated that for a full excavation to go ahead it would need to be housed, and that would be very expensive."



Mr Patterson told NZPA that despite his sample results, he would not give up and had "only scratched the surface".



Research by controversial American author the late Ron Wyatt and others claimed petrified timber and iron rivets existed under the ridge, he said.



A radar scan in the late 1980s had shown large structures and Wyatt said he had found exotic animal hairs at the site.



Mr Patterson hoped to return next year when an American university would carry out another scan, and use it as a basis to apply for permits to excavate.



He believed the Biblical ark, said to be three storeys high and a tenth of a mile long, could have carried juvenile species of animals that had evolved over 4000-5000 years into the many species now in existence.



Mr Patterson and his brother want to make a DVD from film footage of their trip, which includes interviews with local Turkish elders and a Scotsman who has climbed Mt Ararat seven times in search of the ark.



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I read somewhere that the origin of the flood stories in the bible hark back to when the atlantic broke through to create the mediterranean as water levels rose at the end of the ice age. There are certainly ruins underwater that look as if they were once part of large cities. Makes more sense than the whole planet flooding.
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patybug52>Turkey-but now-no one even hears about the country-is it still called that?

!!!! Extraordinary statement.



Tombstone wrote: Turkey is alive and well. Still a NATO member and a good friend of the U.S.


Surprising, as Turkey is almost entirely (Sunni) Muslim. It shares borders with

both Iraq and Iran. I wonder what the feeling is in Turkey at the moment?

Perhaps a Google....
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bill sikes

Surprising, as Turkey is almost entirely (Sunni) Muslim. It shares borders with

both Iraq and Iran. I wonder what the feeling is in Turkey at the moment?

Perhaps a Google....


Worried about a kurdish independence movement no doubt.
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Why didn't noah fish?

He only had two worms.
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Noah's Ark is a myth, just like the whole Bible. If it was a global flood, then the same sediments that are found here in the US, would also be found in other parts of the world. If the Ark was real, wouldnt they have found it yet??? There is little land that has been untouched. I heard about the Mt. Arafat thoery too, I watched a program that used high tech imaging devices to pentrate the "area of question" and it proved that it is just a rock. We are digging ice cores, deep into the frozen in Antarctica, but we can't excatate a stupid Mountain??? The Christians are just scared to find out the real truth, that it just never existed. They might have to come up with somthing real to impose upon the other weak individuals who fall for their failed philosophy.
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RedSoxFan wrote: Noah's Ark is a myth, just like the whole Bible. If it was a global flood, then the same sediments that are found here in the US, would also be found in other parts of the world. If the Ark was real, wouldnt they have found it yet??? There is little land that has been untouched. I heard about the Mt. Arafat thoery too, I watched a program that used high tech imaging devices to pentrate the "area of question" and it proved that it is just a rock. We are digging ice cores, deep into the frozen in Antarctica, but we can't excatate a stupid Mountain??? The Christians are just scared to find out the real truth, that it just never existed. They might have to come up with somthing real to impose upon the other weak individuals who fall for their failed philosophy.


Let's engage in one final intellectual exercise. For various reasons, Christians who accept the Biblical account of the Great Flood are considered naive. Let's take a look at just a few of those reasons and see what the facts really reveal. Some people say that the Ark was to small to hold all those animals. However, when using even the smallest definition of what a cubit was, the Ark contained approximately 1,396,000 cubic feet of space, was divided into 3 decks, and displaced about 20,000 tons of water. (see Gen.6:1-16) All told, it is estimated that Noah would have had to accommodate about 17,000 pairs of animals, birds, reptiles, and amphibians on board the Ark. Keep in mind that there was no requirement that the elephants, giraffes, hippopotami, and yes, probably even the dinosaurs, had to be adult in size; only that they had to be male and female. Even if they were all adults, the average size of the combined population would be approximately that of a sheep. In that case they would all fit into the space found in 146 two-tiered stock transport cars. Since the Ark was large enough to hold 522 such stock cars, the amount of supplies they had room to carry would be an amount equal to that which could be carried in 376 such cars. So much for the inadequate space argument. # 1

Others have argued that the flood was only a local inundation. However, such an assertion does not fit with the Biblical account which specifically says that the waters covered the tops of the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. That statement alone makes it world-wide in scope, but then so do those found in II Pe.3:6, Heb.11:7, I Pe.3:20, and Jesus' own, words in Lk.17:27. Those who believe in only a local deluge also ignore the fact that while details may be different, every culture which can be traced back to the approximate time of the flood, mentions a worldwide flood. These cultures were themselves formed by the descendants of Noah and were scattered throughout the earth after their languages were confused at the Tower of Babal. As each culture drifted further and further away from worshipping the one true God who created us all, their versions of the flood likewise drifted further and further from the true account as contained in Genesis.

Still other people have said that not enough water would have been available to cover the whole earth. However, since 71% of the earth's surface is currently covered with water to an average depth of 12,500 feet, and there is a great deal of water stored in the polar ice caps (which weren't always frozen), and the waters came up from the deep and down from the atmosphere, there would have been more than enough water to cover the world.

Two things need to be noted in this regard. First, the atmosphere may well have contained much more water than it does now in the form of a vapor mist canopy. Secondly, the mountain ranges may well have been lower prior to the flood than they are now. Therefore, less water would have been needed to cover the tops of the mountains in the predeluvian age.

Finally, many people have wondered how the animals would have overcome their natural fear of man and voluntarily come to Noah. The answer is found in Genesis 9:2 which tells us that animals did not have a 'natural' fear of man until after the flood. We also need to bear in mind that the rest of Genesis tells us that God led the animals to Noah.

So much for some of the more prominent objections which are raised by skeptics. Now, let's take a quick look at merely a few of the geological and paleontological problems which the evolutionists cannot answer, but which are answered by the Genesis account of the flood.

1) The flood would explain the sudden disappearance of hundreds of species which failed to adapt to the great climatic changes which occurred after the flood. (The dinosaurs would of course be a prime example of this.)

2) The disappearance of the vapor-mist canopy, which previously provided a natural greenhouse effect on the Earth, would explain the geological evidence of a tropical climate which was universal until after the flood.

3) The flood would explain the size of the otherwise inexplicably huge fossil beds found in Africa, Sicily, and numerous other locations.

4) The weight of all that extra water on the earth's surface could easily account for the vertical drops measured in miles, previously mentioned by Dr. Landes.

5) The geologic upheaval which took place during the flood, and shortly thereafter as the world settled down, would serve as a logical explanation for the location of marine fossils on mountain tops, the apparent young age of many mountain ranges, and the unbroken wave pattern which appears in many rock layers. This pattern could not have been formed in 'solid' rock unless the rock layers in which these patterns appear were in a liquid, gel-like or pliable condition when the layers moved, which is the state they would have been in immediately after the flood. Remember, 75% of the rock found on the continents is sedimentary rock, which is rock that has been laid down by water.

Concerning the mountain building which took place during or immediately after the flood, note Psalm 104:8 as translated in either the RSV, NAS, LB, or ML translations. (While not directly related to the flood, please note also, that the 'continental drift' need not have taken hundreds of millions of years to accomplish, but may well have occurred either during the life of Peleg "...because in his time the earth was divided" (Gen 10:25),or as a direct result of the geologic upheavel associated with the upsurge of the fountains of the deep.)

6) The suddenness of the climatic change after the flood would explain the quick frozen condition of the Siberian Mammoths - something no ice age theory has satisfactorily accounted for.

7) The mysterious fossil finds of Leakey and others would suggest the very sudden burial in a substance other than hot lava or ash, of many soft-bodied creatures, and hence their remarkable state of preservation.

8) The flood would also explain the massive simultaneous burial of the billions of tons of vegetation necessary to account for the coal, and the simultaneous burial of the billions of animals necessary to account for the oil which is found in the earth today. Note, it doesn't take millions of years for coal to form. It has been formed in laboratories in a few minutes.# 2 Oil has been produced from organic material in less than 6 years under controled conditions, # 3 and is acknowledged by modern geologists to have occured naturally in as little as a few thousand years. # 4

9) The massive geological formations such as the Decca Plateau of India, could most reasonably be explained by the major upheaval of such a catastrophic flood.

The list goes on and on. # 5 The point is, the Genesis account of the flood provides us with sensible answers to questions which hadn't even been asked when the Bible was written; whereas, evolutionist's cannot yet provide answers to the questions they themselves have asked. All the philosophy of evolution can do is give conflicting answers to some, ignore others, and call the remainder of them 'mysteries' Now I ask you, "Which is the intellectual approach?"

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