There is no credible threat. Even this CIA sponsored al Qaeda hasn't provided a credible threat to the continuance of the USA. Neither's Iran a credible threat to the continuance of the USA, no more than Iraq ever was. Even polarizing the generality of Muslims to dislike the presence of US force deployment to the Middle East hasn't resulted in a generality of support for al Queda and I bet the current US administration would have been ****-a-hoop if it had done.
What they're missing is a credible threat to stiffen the sinews of the nation behind their hour of peril. They don't wish anything resembling strife? What on earth have they been stirring up for the last six years?
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spot;748029 wrote: There is no credible threat. Even this CIA sponsored al Qaeda hasn't provided a credible threat to the continuance of the USA. Neither's Iran a credible threat to the continuance of the USA, no more than Iraq ever was. Even polarizing the generality of Muslims to dislike the presence of US force deployment to the Middle East hasn't resulted in a generality of support for al Queda and I bet the current US administration would have been ****-a-hoop if it had done.
What they're missing is a credible threat to stiffen the sinews of the nation behind their hour of peril. They don't wish anything resembling strife? What on earth have they been stirring up for the last six years?
Strictly talking about Pakistan here. Im sure theyre holed up behind closed doors this moment wringing their hands and devising ways to **** up another wet dream.
Still if the assasination wasnt the beginning throes of an intentional plot something will brew up because of it.
The dark side are opportunists.
What they're missing is a credible threat to stiffen the sinews of the nation behind their hour of peril. They don't wish anything resembling strife? What on earth have they been stirring up for the last six years?
Strictly talking about Pakistan here. Im sure theyre holed up behind closed doors this moment wringing their hands and devising ways to **** up another wet dream.
Still if the assasination wasnt the beginning throes of an intentional plot something will brew up because of it.
The dark side are opportunists.
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Can we try to get to basics? President Musharraf is a military dictator who ejected the democratic government of Pakistan and put the country under military law, sacked the Supreme Court and appointed his own pliant judges? That's the Musharraf we're discussing?
And then we get "US President George W Bush said the perpetrators had been murderous extremists trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy"? What Pakistan democracy is this that he's plucking out of the air exactly?
And then we get "President Musharraf meanwhile went on TV to urge citizens to resist terrorism. 'I seek unity and support from the nation,' he said"?
This is the language of black is white and white is black from both of them. Remind me, they do both depend on each other, I got that right too did I?
And then we get "US President George W Bush said the perpetrators had been murderous extremists trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy"? What Pakistan democracy is this that he's plucking out of the air exactly?
And then we get "President Musharraf meanwhile went on TV to urge citizens to resist terrorism. 'I seek unity and support from the nation,' he said"?
This is the language of black is white and white is black from both of them. Remind me, they do both depend on each other, I got that right too did I?
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I've read hagiographies of General Pinochet which map onto that almost word for word and left just the same bilious aftertaste in the mouth.
"Pakistanis were sick of civilian governments" isn't compatible with "US President George W Bush said the perpetrators had been murderous extremists trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy" - but it's the same style of US-installed right-wing military dictatorship with the Presidential tongue down his throat as Pinochet ran.
Here's a rather more believable version of events from the BBC.
"Pakistanis were sick of civilian governments" isn't compatible with "US President George W Bush said the perpetrators had been murderous extremists trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy" - but it's the same style of US-installed right-wing military dictatorship with the Presidential tongue down his throat as Pinochet ran.
Here's a rather more believable version of events from the BBC.
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fuzzy butt;748187 wrote: ummmm i'm not quite sure of what you mean 'believable' spot ? your link is a run down of what the times mag stated.
he staged a coup......................and?
And??? And Pakistan hasn't been a democracy since then.
The articles are entirely reversed in terms of cause and effect. The incredible nonsense about handing his own ex army chief to India is missing too.
You want me to go out and find you a right-wing hagiography of General Pinochet? As though they don't exist? As though Allende's legitimate government wasn't overthrown by the military in Chile?
he staged a coup......................and?
And??? And Pakistan hasn't been a democracy since then.
The articles are entirely reversed in terms of cause and effect. The incredible nonsense about handing his own ex army chief to India is missing too.
You want me to go out and find you a right-wing hagiography of General Pinochet? As though they don't exist? As though Allende's legitimate government wasn't overthrown by the military in Chile?
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The interior ministry is stating that there was no sign of shrapnel or bullets in her body.
Why and what that statement means i am unsure.
edit, i just thought - yesterday there was a rumour that she had died of a heart attack.
However, there was definately a bomb attack.
Why and what that statement means i am unsure.
edit, i just thought - yesterday there was a rumour that she had died of a heart attack.
However, there was definately a bomb attack.
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What is there to discuss in it? It's hard to know where to take hold. Democracy takes time to achieve, Pakistan's done as well as could be done from where it started?
Back in 1948 India and Pakistan, under Nehru and Jinnah respectively, started on the same day from the same political and economic inheritance. Presumably you accept that India's succeeded in building a democratic state and Pakistan hasn't. India's not had military juntas ousting elected authority on a regular basis, Pakistan has. I'd draw an inference: in India's case the armed forces have stuck to their constitutional limits and India's developed further in consequence. India adopted a socialist democratic approach, Pakistan adopted a capitalist authoritarian free market instead. Sucks to Pakistan, you might say.
It doesn't take a huge amount of effort and centuries to build a democracy. Poland, the Baltic States, Hungary, the Chechs, they've all managed in under 20 years. Spain came out from under Franco and Greece from under the US-imposed Colonels in just the last 30 years, Portugal was Salazar's dictatorship until 40 years back, they're all working stable democracies now, there's no need to look back to the 18th century for progress from nothing to stability. The countries which have consistently found democracy hard to achieve are those where the US has knocked back self-determination time and again - Nicaragua, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Guatemala, Indonesia, the list is quite a lot longer than that.
I go back to my question though - what on earth is the gentleman in the Oval Office claiming when he says "the perpetrators had been murderous extremists trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy"? The only group in Pakistan doing that is the military.
There are routes which lead toward stability in world affairs but they all involve a total disengagement of US armed forces from outside of the US Homeland, that's the initial requirement without which stability is impossible.
Back in 1948 India and Pakistan, under Nehru and Jinnah respectively, started on the same day from the same political and economic inheritance. Presumably you accept that India's succeeded in building a democratic state and Pakistan hasn't. India's not had military juntas ousting elected authority on a regular basis, Pakistan has. I'd draw an inference: in India's case the armed forces have stuck to their constitutional limits and India's developed further in consequence. India adopted a socialist democratic approach, Pakistan adopted a capitalist authoritarian free market instead. Sucks to Pakistan, you might say.
It doesn't take a huge amount of effort and centuries to build a democracy. Poland, the Baltic States, Hungary, the Chechs, they've all managed in under 20 years. Spain came out from under Franco and Greece from under the US-imposed Colonels in just the last 30 years, Portugal was Salazar's dictatorship until 40 years back, they're all working stable democracies now, there's no need to look back to the 18th century for progress from nothing to stability. The countries which have consistently found democracy hard to achieve are those where the US has knocked back self-determination time and again - Nicaragua, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Guatemala, Indonesia, the list is quite a lot longer than that.
I go back to my question though - what on earth is the gentleman in the Oval Office claiming when he says "the perpetrators had been murderous extremists trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy"? The only group in Pakistan doing that is the military.
There are routes which lead toward stability in world affairs but they all involve a total disengagement of US armed forces from outside of the US Homeland, that's the initial requirement without which stability is impossible.
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It's funny I've read 7 pages and noone has even mentioned how violent this all is!!! Btw I heard that today at the funeral "dozens" of people were killed due to riots that broke out. My dear Lord doesn't anyone care about all this violence? How things are achieved? And don't give me no lecture on democracy. The populalation is deranged! With or without democracy Pakistanis have no second thoughts about death and killing others in my opinion. They are fools in that way, the lump of them, maybe I'm generalizing but from the small screen I have in my house I can only see the general stuff that goes on.
Another thing is that Bhutto's father was hanged in 1979 and her two brothers died mysterious deaths. --Oh yes, I will go back to Pakistan and not be killed, says Benezir-- Who could even think this?? Bhutto was so stupid or such a martyr? Well she really did nothing significant for people that I can tell that would qualify for martyrhood except bow out by letting herself be killed. She just plain gave up in my opinion.
Also soon after US obliterated al Queda in Afganistan I remember seeing Musharref and some US diplomat on TV and that Musharaff said he'd agree to something as long as US gave some billions in aid. Ok. Once again I'm outraged. Everything's alright as long as money is given to make everyone feel better, is that it?? I hate this world. Leaders disgust me. They all should be sent to live on a desert isle and fight it out amongst themselves. Of course there would be no order in the rest of the world but who cares. What's the difference?
Another thing is that Bhutto's father was hanged in 1979 and her two brothers died mysterious deaths. --Oh yes, I will go back to Pakistan and not be killed, says Benezir-- Who could even think this?? Bhutto was so stupid or such a martyr? Well she really did nothing significant for people that I can tell that would qualify for martyrhood except bow out by letting herself be killed. She just plain gave up in my opinion.
Also soon after US obliterated al Queda in Afganistan I remember seeing Musharref and some US diplomat on TV and that Musharaff said he'd agree to something as long as US gave some billions in aid. Ok. Once again I'm outraged. Everything's alright as long as money is given to make everyone feel better, is that it?? I hate this world. Leaders disgust me. They all should be sent to live on a desert isle and fight it out amongst themselves. Of course there would be no order in the rest of the world but who cares. What's the difference?
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If you could insist on banning all US aid, grants, loans and subsidies for all foreign governments and NGOs it would help matters considerably. Write to your congressional representative. Several times.
As for "she really did nothing significant for people that I can tell" perhaps you're forgetting that she was twice prime minister of Pakistan and that she spent five years in prison there under military dictatorship, mostly in solitary confinement. I think she earned her way. There's only one reputable major politician left now.
As for "she really did nothing significant for people that I can tell" perhaps you're forgetting that she was twice prime minister of Pakistan and that she spent five years in prison there under military dictatorship, mostly in solitary confinement. I think she earned her way. There's only one reputable major politician left now.
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There are 3 conflicting stories of how she died. The doctor who was there was very specific yesterday about 2 wounds to the head and spinal cord, which he said caused her death. Her hitting her head on the sunroof didn't pop up until today.
They are backtraking on their stories-they don't want her to be considered a martyr.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... index.html
They are backtraking on their stories-they don't want her to be considered a martyr.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... index.html
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chonsigirl;749109 wrote: There are 3 conflicting stories of how she died. The doctor who was there was very specific yesterday about 2 wounds to the head and spinal cord, which he said caused her death. Her hitting her head on the sunroof didn't pop up until today.
They are backtraking on their stories-they don't want her to be considered a martyr.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... index.html
I saw them talking about that today, Chronsi. They referred to it as being another grass knoll scenario. I know they stated to that it was strange no autopsy was performed either.
They are backtraking on their stories-they don't want her to be considered a martyr.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... index.html
I saw them talking about that today, Chronsi. They referred to it as being another grass knoll scenario. I know they stated to that it was strange no autopsy was performed either.
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spot;749093 wrote: If you could insist on banning all US aid, grants, loans and subsidies for all foreign governments and NGOs it would help matters considerably. Write to your congressional representative. Several times.
As for "she really did nothing significant for people that I can tell" perhaps you're forgetting that she was twice prime minister of Pakistan and that she spent five years in prison there under military dictatorship, mostly in solitary confinement. I think she earned her way. There's only one reputable major politician left now.
What did she earn? I don't understand. I don't see how a prime ministership could be something Pakistanis would even comprehend as a way to rule themselves. I think that government concept was lost on most people there, just my opinion of course. If someone from Mars came down to my country tomorrow to offer their wise counsel, I'm sure I and most wouldn't like the way they proposed to manage our affairs. Maybe this is or was a problem. Not insinuating this is a cause for the unrest and violence that is so evident across the Middle East but it doesn't help that Westerners have tried to fix things.
I thank God I wasn't born there! I proclaim for all the fg to hear !Thank you, GOD, for letting me be born in a free world where morals aren't so distorted and untrue! Seriously I would hang myself if I were a woman born to live in one of these countries the way I've heard them described. People there must be retarded to let this stuff take place! I don't think any Pakistanis have fun unless they are below the age of 8, are rich men, or government officials. No wonder Benezir allowed herself to be killed. What in the hell did she have to lose. Sickening. Just my 2 cents, that's all.
I'm not so sure congressional reps listen unless they already agree with the position and then I wouldn't need to call and tell them anything in the first place.
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As for "she really did nothing significant for people that I can tell" perhaps you're forgetting that she was twice prime minister of Pakistan and that she spent five years in prison there under military dictatorship, mostly in solitary confinement. I think she earned her way. There's only one reputable major politician left now.
What did she earn? I don't understand. I don't see how a prime ministership could be something Pakistanis would even comprehend as a way to rule themselves. I think that government concept was lost on most people there, just my opinion of course. If someone from Mars came down to my country tomorrow to offer their wise counsel, I'm sure I and most wouldn't like the way they proposed to manage our affairs. Maybe this is or was a problem. Not insinuating this is a cause for the unrest and violence that is so evident across the Middle East but it doesn't help that Westerners have tried to fix things.
I thank God I wasn't born there! I proclaim for all the fg to hear !Thank you, GOD, for letting me be born in a free world where morals aren't so distorted and untrue! Seriously I would hang myself if I were a woman born to live in one of these countries the way I've heard them described. People there must be retarded to let this stuff take place! I don't think any Pakistanis have fun unless they are below the age of 8, are rich men, or government officials. No wonder Benezir allowed herself to be killed. What in the hell did she have to lose. Sickening. Just my 2 cents, that's all.
I'm not so sure congressional reps listen unless they already agree with the position and then I wouldn't need to call and tell them anything in the first place.
E
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watermark;749120 wrote: What did she earn? I don't understand. I don't see how a prime ministership could be something Pakistanis would even comprehend as a way to rule themselves. I think that government concept was lost on most people there, just my opinion of course. If someone from Mars came down to my country tomorrow to offer their wise counsel, I'm sure I and most wouldn't like the way they proposed to manage our affairs. Maybe this is or was a problem. Not insinuating this is a cause for the unrest and violence that is so evident across the Middle East but it doesn't help that Westerners have tried to fix things.
I thank God I wasn't born there! I proclaim for all the fg to hear !Thank you, GOD, for letting me be born in a free world where morals aren't so distorted and untrue! Seriously I would hang myself if I were a woman born to live in one of these countries the way I've heard them described. People there must be retarded to let this stuff take place! I don't think any Pakistanis have fun unless they are below the age of 8, are rich men, or government officials. No wonder Benezir allowed herself to be killed. What in the hell did she have to lose. Sickening. Just my 2 cents, that's all.
I'm not so sure congressional reps listen unless they already agree with the position and then I wouldn't need to call and tell them anything in the first place.
E
Now turn it round and tell me why the US is interfering in the internal affairs of Pakistan, a place that is absolutely guaranteed - whatever administration rules there - to have no capacity to affect the continuance of the US Homeland. Is the US the world's policeman? Does the US profit from the relationship?
If you have no influence on congressional reps, how do you describe your political system as democratic?
I thank God I wasn't born there! I proclaim for all the fg to hear !Thank you, GOD, for letting me be born in a free world where morals aren't so distorted and untrue! Seriously I would hang myself if I were a woman born to live in one of these countries the way I've heard them described. People there must be retarded to let this stuff take place! I don't think any Pakistanis have fun unless they are below the age of 8, are rich men, or government officials. No wonder Benezir allowed herself to be killed. What in the hell did she have to lose. Sickening. Just my 2 cents, that's all.
I'm not so sure congressional reps listen unless they already agree with the position and then I wouldn't need to call and tell them anything in the first place.
E
Now turn it round and tell me why the US is interfering in the internal affairs of Pakistan, a place that is absolutely guaranteed - whatever administration rules there - to have no capacity to affect the continuance of the US Homeland. Is the US the world's policeman? Does the US profit from the relationship?
If you have no influence on congressional reps, how do you describe your political system as democratic?
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spot;749145 wrote: Now turn it round and tell me why the US is interfering in the internal affairs of Pakistan, a place that is absolutely guaranteed - whatever administration rules there - to have no capacity to affect the continuance of the US Homeland. Is the US the world's policeman? Does the US profit from the relationship?
If you have no influence on congressional reps, how do you describe your political system as democratic?
I have no clue why US would want to be involved in the affairs of Pakistan. Absolutely insane to think US would get involved in the internal conflicts of nations that have not brought their problems out for the world to see. Now it is clear that there are injustices being done concerning blatant issues like women's rights. Before US involvement I might never have noticed, and those countries would just carry on. However that is not the case now.
Now I'm not certain what the circumstances are, but what I have seen and heard from the media is that there is a lack of human rights that I subscribe to. I'm not sure US finds my concerns its concerns. I sometimes feel that my government doesn't represent me, just itself. The government of my country is bent on keeping US people that have money now to keep that money and hoping that the trickle down theory does its thing (I'm not even sure what the trickle down theory is, just sounded right
)
Is it oil that lures our US involvement? Is it a lone senator from a powerful state that is a catalyst (I recently viewed 'Charley Wilson's War' at my dad's request, so am thinking possibly a few people can get many in a jam, the movie was about some guy who single handedly almost helped Afgani people fight the Russian people).
I honestly don't know what democracy means. I've heard the term plenty of times but still the definition has eluded me and I'm 46. I can only imagine what the concept means to others. Isn't a democracy something all people should be able to understand? Maybe I'm wrong. If the concept is so ambiguous to me and I represent a typical citizen in a democratic nation, then I truly pity the future of our democratic society.
With that said, I will say that living in the US must be better than living in most other places that sounds like woman are regarded as property and not equal to men. I can be thankful that I'm not censored, I can work, go to school, buy whatever I want conveniently, not worry about being shot, wear what I want without getting raped, speak my mind even if I'm an idiot (as long as I'm not physically hurting someone else), divorce without having to hide away and being disowned by my family, um, lots of stuff.
There are some things I don't like, some or I mean many people are killed each day for senseless reasons, young and old women are raped and beated everday in the US, children go hungry around the nation, public education is spotty and far from good, drug use and transport is prevalent throughout the US, family structure is nonexistent in many many instances, people walk around with no thought of the next person, completely in a fog, fundamentalists here strike fear into the majority of the people in the US who haven't found their groundedness, which is a scary thing, and um, I can think of lots more probs with democracy. Bottom line is there is only a semblance of democracy in America right now. Couldn't tell you what it is actually.
Erin
If you have no influence on congressional reps, how do you describe your political system as democratic?
I have no clue why US would want to be involved in the affairs of Pakistan. Absolutely insane to think US would get involved in the internal conflicts of nations that have not brought their problems out for the world to see. Now it is clear that there are injustices being done concerning blatant issues like women's rights. Before US involvement I might never have noticed, and those countries would just carry on. However that is not the case now.
Now I'm not certain what the circumstances are, but what I have seen and heard from the media is that there is a lack of human rights that I subscribe to. I'm not sure US finds my concerns its concerns. I sometimes feel that my government doesn't represent me, just itself. The government of my country is bent on keeping US people that have money now to keep that money and hoping that the trickle down theory does its thing (I'm not even sure what the trickle down theory is, just sounded right
)Is it oil that lures our US involvement? Is it a lone senator from a powerful state that is a catalyst (I recently viewed 'Charley Wilson's War' at my dad's request, so am thinking possibly a few people can get many in a jam, the movie was about some guy who single handedly almost helped Afgani people fight the Russian people).
I honestly don't know what democracy means. I've heard the term plenty of times but still the definition has eluded me and I'm 46. I can only imagine what the concept means to others. Isn't a democracy something all people should be able to understand? Maybe I'm wrong. If the concept is so ambiguous to me and I represent a typical citizen in a democratic nation, then I truly pity the future of our democratic society.
With that said, I will say that living in the US must be better than living in most other places that sounds like woman are regarded as property and not equal to men. I can be thankful that I'm not censored, I can work, go to school, buy whatever I want conveniently, not worry about being shot, wear what I want without getting raped, speak my mind even if I'm an idiot (as long as I'm not physically hurting someone else), divorce without having to hide away and being disowned by my family, um, lots of stuff.
There are some things I don't like, some or I mean many people are killed each day for senseless reasons, young and old women are raped and beated everday in the US, children go hungry around the nation, public education is spotty and far from good, drug use and transport is prevalent throughout the US, family structure is nonexistent in many many instances, people walk around with no thought of the next person, completely in a fog, fundamentalists here strike fear into the majority of the people in the US who haven't found their groundedness, which is a scary thing, and um, I can think of lots more probs with democracy. Bottom line is there is only a semblance of democracy in America right now. Couldn't tell you what it is actually.
Erin
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The conflicting stories about her death could be an effort to prevent a Muslim woman from achieving the status of martyrdom.
God knows the Muslim men couldnt take another blow to their egos.
It would probably result in Muhammed having a complete meltdown.
God knows the Muslim men couldnt take another blow to their egos.
It would probably result in Muhammed having a complete meltdown.
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fuzzy butt;749519 wrote: Ummm the US has been down the throat of Pakistan in recent years because of the terrorists camps there.
Watermark Pakistan has had woman leading their country, the surrounding countries have also had women leading them. will america
Sounds like you've got a womens and childrens rights issue there.
this morning what i fear has happened, British police are now in Pakistan carrying out an enquiry into the assassination.
I think 2008 starts not well at all for the west.
Watermark Pakistan has had woman leading their country, the surrounding countries have also had women leading them. will america
Sounds like you've got a womens and childrens rights issue there.
this morning what i fear has happened, British police are now in Pakistan carrying out an enquiry into the assassination.
I think 2008 starts not well at all for the west.