I looked for a thread on last nights debate and didn't find one so I thought I would start one.
Two things about last nights debate caused me a problem.
1. At one point Obama suggested that we need to open up the lines of credit for small businesses so they could make payroll.
Maybe I run my very small business wrong but I keep a sizable amount of money in my business account to always make sure that even in slow times there is money for payroll. Isn't part of the problem when companies continue to operate in the red? Or am I running my company wrong by not bonusing out all available funds to myself and borrowing as needed like others?
2. Health care.
Mccain wants to give everyone a tax credit up to $5,000.00 for each individual to buy health insurance.
Obama says it is the responsibility of business owners and employers to provide insurance to their employee's. And if the business doesn't provide it they will be fined.
Why (as a business owner) is it my responsibility to provide insurance? I figured my job as an employer is to provide a proper wage for a proper job. The government doesn't take responsibility but want to put it on the business owner? If I could afford insurance on all of my employee's I would already be providing it. If I cant afford it I will be fined? How will that help? I already cant afford the out of control insurance so taking more money from me will only cause me to axe jobs to pay the fines which will eventually put me into the "Run in the red" type of company and in time out of business.
I don't know if either won the debate, I will say Obama is more polished in public speaking but it drove me crazy when neither would actually answer the question that was put before them.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
jimbo;1012560 wrote: er er er
i'm with you wisey , :-3:-3
i have never seen him be normal before worrying aint it
the next thing you know shelly will be nice to someone and spot will crack a joke
jeeez am i on the right forum :wah:
Did I just write that? Am I in the twilight Zone Forum? :wah:
Nah, I was just unloading over some of the "crap" I heard last night..
i'm with you wisey , :-3:-3
i have never seen him be normal before worrying aint it
the next thing you know shelly will be nice to someone and spot will crack a joke
jeeez am i on the right forum :wah:
Did I just write that? Am I in the twilight Zone Forum? :wah:
Nah, I was just unloading over some of the "crap" I heard last night..
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Any new business needs to build up a capital reserve sufficient to buy materials before invoicing goods. If credit stops then the only source for that is internal credit. If the reserve's inadequate the owner's faced with whether to cut into money which is earmarked for payroll, to make it up from invoice payments before pay day. A well-established mature business can do that from internal resources, a new startup is reliant on credit whether it's from a bank or from investors.
Has McCain always sounded that much like someone playing Ronald Reagan, right down to the "friends" every five minutes, or has he been given a voice coach? It was uncanny and somewhat ominous. If the Republicans are looking to re-run Ronald Reagan's presidency then they're really grasping at straws.
McCain is America's only hope, whether Osama's the better politician with the better program or not. Don't be seduced by the young Jedi, Palpatine's your man.
Has McCain always sounded that much like someone playing Ronald Reagan, right down to the "friends" every five minutes, or has he been given a voice coach? It was uncanny and somewhat ominous. If the Republicans are looking to re-run Ronald Reagan's presidency then they're really grasping at straws.
McCain is America's only hope, whether Osama's the better politician with the better program or not. Don't be seduced by the young Jedi, Palpatine's your man.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
spot;1012608 wrote: Any new business needs to build up a capital reserve sufficient to buy materials before invoicing goods. If credit stops then the only source for that is internal credit. If the reserve's inadequate the owner's faced with whether to cut into money which is earmarked for payroll, to make it up from invoice payments before pay day. A well-established mature business can do that from internal resources, a new startup is reliant on credit whether it's from a bank or from investors.
I never noticed an implication of new start up business but can understand if that were the case. When we started our new business we borrowed enough to have some reserve up front so this would not be needed then ran the business accordingly to keep it that way. We took less or no wages for ourselves until income was there to pay ourselves.
Has McCain always sounded that much like someone playing Ronald Reagan, right down to the "friends" every five minutes, or has he been given a voice coach? It was uncanny and somewhat ominous. If the Republicans are looking to re-run Ronald Reagan's presidency then they're really grasping at straws.
I didn't put that together until I read your post, I see where you are coming from and couldn't figure out what was different. I will go back tonight a re watch it with this ismind.
McCain is America's only hope, whether Osama's the better politician with the better program or not. Don't be seduced by the young Jedi, Palpatine's your man.
I'm still undecided, I am looking around for Obama's plan on healthcare. The way I heard it last night I didn't like it at all. I liked McCains way better but can't say it would be the way to solve our healthcare problem. Up until 8-10 yrs ago our company always did supply healthcare for our employee's. That was until insurance premiums skyrocketed and made it unaffordable for us to supply and still make a paltry profit. In my opinion the first thing that needs to happen is to rein in the healthcare system itself. Tests and meds are way too expensive.
I never noticed an implication of new start up business but can understand if that were the case. When we started our new business we borrowed enough to have some reserve up front so this would not be needed then ran the business accordingly to keep it that way. We took less or no wages for ourselves until income was there to pay ourselves.
Has McCain always sounded that much like someone playing Ronald Reagan, right down to the "friends" every five minutes, or has he been given a voice coach? It was uncanny and somewhat ominous. If the Republicans are looking to re-run Ronald Reagan's presidency then they're really grasping at straws.
I didn't put that together until I read your post, I see where you are coming from and couldn't figure out what was different. I will go back tonight a re watch it with this ismind.
McCain is America's only hope, whether Osama's the better politician with the better program or not. Don't be seduced by the young Jedi, Palpatine's your man.
I'm still undecided, I am looking around for Obama's plan on healthcare. The way I heard it last night I didn't like it at all. I liked McCains way better but can't say it would be the way to solve our healthcare problem. Up until 8-10 yrs ago our company always did supply healthcare for our employee's. That was until insurance premiums skyrocketed and made it unaffordable for us to supply and still make a paltry profit. In my opinion the first thing that needs to happen is to rein in the healthcare system itself. Tests and meds are way too expensive.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
I thought that both candidates gave robotic replies and never really answered some of the questions put forth. There was no passion, no conviction. Based just on personality and charisma I think Obama will be the next president. Show me any past presidential election where the guy with the better personality did not win.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Lon;1012640 wrote: Show me any past presidential election where the guy with the better personality did not win.Nixon against Kennedy. I thought Al Gore won on likeability too.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
spot;1012685 wrote: Nixon against Kennedy. I thought Al Gore won on likeability too.
You think Nixon had a better personality? Never heard anyone say that before.
Kennedy vs. Nixon has comparisons to Obama vs. McCain.
You think Nixon had a better personality? Never heard anyone say that before.
Kennedy vs. Nixon has comparisons to Obama vs. McCain.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
YZGI;1012710 wrote: You think Nixon had a better personality? Never heard anyone say that before.
Nixon was obviously an honest man - the fact that the office overwhelmed him at the end of the decade is unfortunate but he was rectitude personified in 1960, if he'd offered to look after one's nubile daughter one wouldn't have hesitated to trust him with her. Kennedy couldn't be trusted with so much as the loan of a fountain pen. Perhaps I'm more influenced by integrity than by schmooze when it comes to choosing a personality I like.
Nixon was obviously an honest man - the fact that the office overwhelmed him at the end of the decade is unfortunate but he was rectitude personified in 1960, if he'd offered to look after one's nubile daughter one wouldn't have hesitated to trust him with her. Kennedy couldn't be trusted with so much as the loan of a fountain pen. Perhaps I'm more influenced by integrity than by schmooze when it comes to choosing a personality I like.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
spot;1012716 wrote: Nixon was obviously an honest man - the fact that the office overwhelmed him at the end of the decade is unfortunate but he was rectitude personified in 1960, if he'd offered to look after one's nubile daughter one wouldn't have hesitated to trust him with her. Kennedy couldn't be trusted with so much as the loan of a fountain pen. Perhaps I'm more influenced by integrity than by schmooze when it comes to choosing a personality I like.
We know that now about Kennedy but at the time he was all polish, shine and charisma. The big change from the norm at the time. Nixon was a lifelong politician with a bit of a gruff exterior.
We know that now about Kennedy but at the time he was all polish, shine and charisma. The big change from the norm at the time. Nixon was a lifelong politician with a bit of a gruff exterior.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
spot;1012685 wrote: Nixon against Kennedy. I thought Al Gore won on likeability too.
You are kidding right? Nixon was blah compared to Kennedy's charm and charisma. Gore's as charismatic and exciting as a toy without batteries.
You are kidding right? Nixon was blah compared to Kennedy's charm and charisma. Gore's as charismatic and exciting as a toy without batteries.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
spot;1012716 wrote: Nixon was obviously an honest man - the fact that the office overwhelmed him at the end of the decade is unfortunate but he was rectitude personified in 1960, if he'd offered to look after one's nubile daughter one wouldn't have hesitated to trust him with her. Kennedy couldn't be trusted with so much as the loan of a fountain pen. Perhaps I'm more influenced by integrity than by schmooze when it comes to choosing a personality I like.
Integrity, knowledge are different things. The majority of voters I believe are more attracted to the better looking candidate with good stage presence, charm, charisma, personality, even height. They could be an intellectual vegetable but if they have charm--------oh my.
Integrity, knowledge are different things. The majority of voters I believe are more attracted to the better looking candidate with good stage presence, charm, charisma, personality, even height. They could be an intellectual vegetable but if they have charm--------oh my.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Lon;1012731 wrote: Integrity, knowledge are different things. The majority of voters I believe are more attracted to the better looking candidate with good stage presence, charm, charisma, personality, even height. They could be an intellectual vegetable but if they have charm--------oh my.
Hell, if I'd only known that I'd have gone into politics.
Hell, if I'd only known that I'd have gone into politics.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
YZGI;1012544 wrote: I looked for a thread on last nights debate and didn't find one so I thought I would start one.
Two things about last nights debate caused me a problem.
1. At one point Obama suggested that we need to open up the lines of credit for small businesses so they could make payroll.
Maybe I run my very small business wrong but I keep a sizable amount of money in my business account to always make sure that even in slow times there is money for payroll. Isn't part of the problem when companies continue to operate in the red? Or am I running my company wrong by not bonusing out all available funds to myself and borrowing as needed like others?
2. Health care.
Mccain wants to give everyone a tax credit up to $5,000.00 for each individual to buy health insurance.
Obama says it is the responsibility of business owners and employers to provide insurance to their employee's. And if the business doesn't provide it they will be fined.
Why (as a business owner) is it my responsibility to provide insurance? I figured my job as an employer is to provide a proper wage for a proper job. The government doesn't take responsibility but want to put it on the business owner? If I could afford insurance on all of my employee's I would already be providing it. If I cant afford it I will be fined? How will that help? I already cant afford the out of control insurance so taking more money from me will only cause me to axe jobs to pay the fines which will eventually put me into the "Run in the red" type of company and in time out of business.
I don't know if either won the debate, I will say Obama is more polished in public speaking but it drove me crazy when neither would actually answer the question that was put before them.
1) Depends whether you have to take loans out for large capital items - very few start-ups can afford to tool up out of their own funds and need to borrow to buy the major equipment they require to function.
2) Neither position makes much sense in real terms - posturing before the event.
Two things about last nights debate caused me a problem.
1. At one point Obama suggested that we need to open up the lines of credit for small businesses so they could make payroll.
Maybe I run my very small business wrong but I keep a sizable amount of money in my business account to always make sure that even in slow times there is money for payroll. Isn't part of the problem when companies continue to operate in the red? Or am I running my company wrong by not bonusing out all available funds to myself and borrowing as needed like others?
2. Health care.
Mccain wants to give everyone a tax credit up to $5,000.00 for each individual to buy health insurance.
Obama says it is the responsibility of business owners and employers to provide insurance to their employee's. And if the business doesn't provide it they will be fined.
Why (as a business owner) is it my responsibility to provide insurance? I figured my job as an employer is to provide a proper wage for a proper job. The government doesn't take responsibility but want to put it on the business owner? If I could afford insurance on all of my employee's I would already be providing it. If I cant afford it I will be fined? How will that help? I already cant afford the out of control insurance so taking more money from me will only cause me to axe jobs to pay the fines which will eventually put me into the "Run in the red" type of company and in time out of business.
I don't know if either won the debate, I will say Obama is more polished in public speaking but it drove me crazy when neither would actually answer the question that was put before them.
1) Depends whether you have to take loans out for large capital items - very few start-ups can afford to tool up out of their own funds and need to borrow to buy the major equipment they require to function.
2) Neither position makes much sense in real terms - posturing before the event.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Jester;1013287 wrote: I will shift tactics and vote Obama. When america collapses I want it at the hands of a democrat.That rather mirrors my call to vote McCain, for the same reason.
You don't think that America's collapsing because of the Republican Bush White House then? Because I do. That's why I want McCain to be forced to finish the job for the people who triggered it.
You don't think that America's collapsing because of the Republican Bush White House then? Because I do. That's why I want McCain to be forced to finish the job for the people who triggered it.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Jester;1013346 wrote: I think we are in this mess because America left the principles that made us a strong nation.The principles that made America a strong nation rely on the total disregard for law which, for example, betrayed Native Americans into genocide and dependency. I see no difference between that and the deliberate knowing lies which took the US into the Middle East and invented pretend enemies out of nothing. Any terrorism that's out there is solely a reaction to American behaviour.
As things stand, the sooner the US has to sell its last aircraft carrier in order to eat the better. The reason borders exist is to keep people where they belong.
As things stand, the sooner the US has to sell its last aircraft carrier in order to eat the better. The reason borders exist is to keep people where they belong.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Jester;1013361 wrote: It gets old Spot, someday I will lay out for you my photo gallary alquackers ala terrorism in southern Iraq 1996-1999.
Those pretend enemies killed 2 of my most trusted friends. the bastards, dont tell me there was no alqeada in Iraq under Saddam, it's total BS.
It seems very odd, given how desperately the US government wanted to demonstrate that to be true, that they never demonstrated it to be true. It was a huge embarrassment to Bush that he had no evidence to present to the world when he needed it in 2003-3 and that none's emerged since.
Those pretend enemies killed 2 of my most trusted friends. the bastards, dont tell me there was no alqeada in Iraq under Saddam, it's total BS.
It seems very odd, given how desperately the US government wanted to demonstrate that to be true, that they never demonstrated it to be true. It was a huge embarrassment to Bush that he had no evidence to present to the world when he needed it in 2003-3 and that none's emerged since.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Jester;1013372 wrote: Oh please, act like you have never read any declassified reports. National security is far more important than proving anything of the sort. Bush took it on the chin so he coould get intel to fight the various forms of terrorists that attacked us. The dems know the truth too, they are just too cowardice to show up and tell the truth, its a political gift to them and they are running with it.
Bush sacrificed himself and the republican party. It was stupid, but he's one heck of a man in my opinion, a soldiers president, he allowed us to go after them.
You guys still don't get it, you don't understand the level of threat before us. You socialists still think Iran wants a nuclear powerplant and Hamas only wants a free palestine. :-5
Grow up.
How very noble of President Bush. If only it were true. I'll have to wait for the history books when the reports are finally declassified, won't I. If those WMD had materialized I might give him the benefit of the doubt on those other areas I called deliberate knowing lies, including al Qaida training camps in pre-2003 Iraq.
I'm sure Iran intends to build nuclear weapons. The sooner they have them the less likely they are to be endangered by US aggression. If I had a magic wand they'd find a hundred under their Christmas tree this year and then all this posturing would turn into a perfectly acceptable stalemate and we could all get on with living in our own countries instead of disrupting the internal affairs of others.
As for Hamas, if they had any sense they'd prefer a non-apartheid Israel which didn't have laws discriminating against Palestinians. I see no benefit in a two-state solution, nor any likelihhod of an independent Palestine ever materializing while Israel's laws retain their current bias.
If "Bush took it on the chin" why on earth did the stupid bastard claim it in the first place, if he knew beforehand that he couldn't produce evidence because "national security is far more important than proving anything of the sort"?
Bush sacrificed himself and the republican party. It was stupid, but he's one heck of a man in my opinion, a soldiers president, he allowed us to go after them.
You guys still don't get it, you don't understand the level of threat before us. You socialists still think Iran wants a nuclear powerplant and Hamas only wants a free palestine. :-5
Grow up.
How very noble of President Bush. If only it were true. I'll have to wait for the history books when the reports are finally declassified, won't I. If those WMD had materialized I might give him the benefit of the doubt on those other areas I called deliberate knowing lies, including al Qaida training camps in pre-2003 Iraq.
I'm sure Iran intends to build nuclear weapons. The sooner they have them the less likely they are to be endangered by US aggression. If I had a magic wand they'd find a hundred under their Christmas tree this year and then all this posturing would turn into a perfectly acceptable stalemate and we could all get on with living in our own countries instead of disrupting the internal affairs of others.
As for Hamas, if they had any sense they'd prefer a non-apartheid Israel which didn't have laws discriminating against Palestinians. I see no benefit in a two-state solution, nor any likelihhod of an independent Palestine ever materializing while Israel's laws retain their current bias.
If "Bush took it on the chin" why on earth did the stupid bastard claim it in the first place, if he knew beforehand that he couldn't produce evidence because "national security is far more important than proving anything of the sort"?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
[quote=YZGI;1012544]
Why (as a business owner) is it my responsibility to provide insurance? quote]
Oh didn't you evil "Red State Rat", know that with the "New Progressive Govmint" it is now a RIGHT to have the essentials of life, such as health care, food, a car, home mortgage and all that goes with it.......
Forget that you already pay half their SS, give them the monies to put a roof over their families head.........no you need to do more than create jobs , taxes and improve the economy under this new plan that we will be living under come January 2009........
Suck it up and get over it:-6:-6:-6
Why (as a business owner) is it my responsibility to provide insurance? quote]
Oh didn't you evil "Red State Rat", know that with the "New Progressive Govmint" it is now a RIGHT to have the essentials of life, such as health care, food, a car, home mortgage and all that goes with it.......
Forget that you already pay half their SS, give them the monies to put a roof over their families head.........no you need to do more than create jobs , taxes and improve the economy under this new plan that we will be living under come January 2009........
Suck it up and get over it:-6:-6:-6
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Jester;1013372 wrote:
You guys still don't get it, you don't understand the level of threat before us. You socialists still think Iran wants a nuclear powerplant and Hamas only wants a free palestine. :-5
Grow up.
One more point to add here........I've said it before.
One of the MAIN reasons GW Bush went into Iraq AFTER Afghanistan was to contain Iran which he has done. We sit on the 2 largest boarders of Iran NOW and they are very much limited in what they can do. Heaven only knows where we would be with them and Sadaam Insane run Iraq, if were were not in that position.
You guys still don't get it, you don't understand the level of threat before us. You socialists still think Iran wants a nuclear powerplant and Hamas only wants a free palestine. :-5
Grow up.
One more point to add here........I've said it before.
One of the MAIN reasons GW Bush went into Iraq AFTER Afghanistan was to contain Iran which he has done. We sit on the 2 largest boarders of Iran NOW and they are very much limited in what they can do. Heaven only knows where we would be with them and Sadaam Insane run Iraq, if were were not in that position.
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Jester;1013379 wrote: WMD ahahahahah this from a man that thinks the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolotion...:rolleyes:You're saying the Bush White House didn't claim it had proof that Iraq possessed WMD? Or are you saying that WMD were found after the invasion? I find either hard to believe. Claiming proof that Iraq possessed WMD was a deliberate knowing lie on the part of the Bush White House to push domestic public opinion into accepting a need for the deployment of US armed forces. It was a lie aimed at the US electorate. If the US electorate doesn't mind being lied to by a scheming war criminal then it doesn't mind being lied to, who can stop them from wanting to be conned?
Waging aggressive warfare is why those Slavs like Milosevic were taken to court. Your Bush White House staff might indefinitely avoid being tried in America but I bet they'll not be able to travel in Europe for the rest of their lives without facing arrest.
Waging aggressive warfare is why those Slavs like Milosevic were taken to court. Your Bush White House staff might indefinitely avoid being tried in America but I bet they'll not be able to travel in Europe for the rest of their lives without facing arrest.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
BTS;1013380 wrote: One of the MAIN reasons GW Bush went into Iraq AFTER Afghanistan was to contain Iran which he has done. We sit an the 2 largest boarders of Iran NOW and they are very much limited in what they can do. Heaven only knows where we would be with them if were were not in that position.You know, however long you sit there on those borders, Iran's still going to be there when you finally pull up sticks and mosey on home.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
spot;1013382 wrote: You know, however long you sit there on those borders, Iran's still going to be there when you finally pull up sticks and mosey on home.
That's what I like about you spot.................your quick
That's what I like about you spot.................your quick
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Jester;1013384 wrote: Are you now denying you believe that the WTC was a controlled demolition?WTC7, yes I'd say that was one. That and the non-airphone calls from the planes at cruising altitude are the two bits I've brought up in the past. You're deflecting.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1013382 wrote: You know, however long you sit there on those borders, Iran's still going to be there when you finally pull up sticks and mosey on home.
Gee how long have we BEEN in Germany after WW2, Japn?
Gee how long have we BEEN in Germany after WW2, Japn?
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Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
BTS;1013387 wrote: Gee how long have we BEEN in Germany after WW2, Japn?You're running out of money and you're sure as hell running out of willpower. The 20th century might have been dominated by the US but this one won't be.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Jester;1013388 wrote: Thats deflecting? :-3
No, I didn't say it was. They were statements, not questions.
No, I didn't say it was. They were statements, not questions.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
spot;1013389 wrote: You're running out of money and you're sure as hell running out of willpower. The 20th century might have been dominated by the US but this one won't be.
Kool
Go it it alone then........
Maybe you will like speakin Arabic.
Kool
Go it it alone then........
Maybe you will like speakin Arabic.
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BTS;1013396 wrote: Kool
Go it it alone then........
Maybe you will like speakin Arabic.
Better that than seeing the High Street flooded with US franchise fast food exploitation. Enough with the cultural colonialism.
Go it it alone then........
Maybe you will like speakin Arabic.
Better that than seeing the High Street flooded with US franchise fast food exploitation. Enough with the cultural colonialism.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
That is as precise a description as I could possibly look for to explain why I want to see the US demilitarised. Only by getting you all back to a state where you have nothing more than weaponry designed for Homeland Defence will the planet ever be safe from you. No tanks, no planes capable of reaching beyond US airspace, no naval vessels capable of acting outside US territorial limits. You can keep your nuclear arsenal and delivery systems for strategic defence, I have no problem with that.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
spot;1013398 wrote: better that than seeing the high street flooded with us franchise fast food exploitation. Enough with the cultural colonialism.
حسنا هنا لكم جهودكم أول دورة في تعلم لغة جديدة
حسنا هنا لكم جهودكم أول دورة في تعلم لغة جديدة
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Jester;1013406 wrote: I can't do it, I write a reply, delete it, edit it, re-write it, can't say anything. Over and over.
It's too frustrating. I cannot say what I want to, so Im goign to do it one last time and get as close to my feelings as I can.
Islam is an evil religion. We can only attack those who attack us, so we can't declare war on Islam, only a war on terror, which is a foolish notion.
I'm a warrior, Im trained to go after my enemy and destroy it. Yet the world ties my hands from doing so. I know who my enemy is, I know where my enemy is, I know how they attack and who helps them and many other aspects of him and how he operates.
And if I were turned loose to fight him and it was over in a 10 year period and the world could be relatively safe no one would dare turn me loose to do it.
There is no world government people, Islam wants to kill and destroy everybody but Islam, and then half of themselves too.
Mark my words, the weakness you hide under, this notion of international law will only cause more death and destruction over scores of years than letting the good countries of the world actually fight against Islam now.
Kill it while it is weak, or you may not win later.
Save your breath and keybord far...........
It's too frustrating. I cannot say what I want to, so Im goign to do it one last time and get as close to my feelings as I can.
Islam is an evil religion. We can only attack those who attack us, so we can't declare war on Islam, only a war on terror, which is a foolish notion.
I'm a warrior, Im trained to go after my enemy and destroy it. Yet the world ties my hands from doing so. I know who my enemy is, I know where my enemy is, I know how they attack and who helps them and many other aspects of him and how he operates.
And if I were turned loose to fight him and it was over in a 10 year period and the world could be relatively safe no one would dare turn me loose to do it.
There is no world government people, Islam wants to kill and destroy everybody but Islam, and then half of themselves too.
Mark my words, the weakness you hide under, this notion of international law will only cause more death and destruction over scores of years than letting the good countries of the world actually fight against Islam now.
Kill it while it is weak, or you may not win later.
Save your breath and keybord far...........
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
Spot.........
What are your thoughts on this?
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=41046
What are your thoughts on this?
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=41046
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posted by jester
I'm saying Alqeada was a viable and active force in Southern Iraq and they were training with Irans help in the form of money, weapons, explosives and training from the worlds terror bombing experts.
So the 911 commission conclusion that there was no credible evidence that saddam had anything to do with Al queda prior to the attack is nonsense?
Why would iran help Saudi terrorists? If anything sunni and shia would rather be killing each other, iran and saudi are rivals for power in the region. It's a bit like believing the pope secretly sponsored Martin Luther.
It's clever of the Saudi arabians to launch a terrorist attack attack on the US. Get them to take out Iraq-one of the powers in the region with whom they are rivals, then get them to go for Iran. They must be laughing all the way to the bank, ending up the regional super power and it's cost them nothing.
All you have to do is sell Saudi arabia a few cruise missiles with nuclear warheads and let them to sort out iran. The tabloids would have a great time with the headline. New light shines in the middle east. (new hit song by johnny nash , "I can see clearly now Iran is gone"). Might muck up the oil flow though and dare say Israel will sulk-but they have their own nuclear warheads anyway MAD (mutually assured destruction) for the middle east bringing peace to the region. it's worked in the past hasn't it?
I'm saying the US was equiping the Kurds to fight in Northern Iraq, and the trianing they receoved was dierected at mobilizing them to take on Alqeada should the US liberate Iraq from the Saddam.
So why are those same gallant kurdish freedom fighters now listed as a terrorist organisation? Too bad you also trained the taliban in Afghanistan.
posted by jester
Mark my words, the weakness you hide under, this notion of international law will only cause more death and destruction over scores of years than letting the good countries of the world actually fight against Islam now.
Not nearly as much as an insane crusade sponsored by christian fundamentalists that believe a talking snake got us turfed out of paradise.
posted by BTS
Kool
Go it it alone then........
Maybe you will like speaking Arabic.
Nah the british are too lazy for that. Why do you think everybody speaks english.:sneaky: Even if some have forgotten how to spell it properly.
I'm saying Alqeada was a viable and active force in Southern Iraq and they were training with Irans help in the form of money, weapons, explosives and training from the worlds terror bombing experts.
So the 911 commission conclusion that there was no credible evidence that saddam had anything to do with Al queda prior to the attack is nonsense?
Why would iran help Saudi terrorists? If anything sunni and shia would rather be killing each other, iran and saudi are rivals for power in the region. It's a bit like believing the pope secretly sponsored Martin Luther.
It's clever of the Saudi arabians to launch a terrorist attack attack on the US. Get them to take out Iraq-one of the powers in the region with whom they are rivals, then get them to go for Iran. They must be laughing all the way to the bank, ending up the regional super power and it's cost them nothing.
All you have to do is sell Saudi arabia a few cruise missiles with nuclear warheads and let them to sort out iran. The tabloids would have a great time with the headline. New light shines in the middle east. (new hit song by johnny nash , "I can see clearly now Iran is gone"). Might muck up the oil flow though and dare say Israel will sulk-but they have their own nuclear warheads anyway MAD (mutually assured destruction) for the middle east bringing peace to the region. it's worked in the past hasn't it?
I'm saying the US was equiping the Kurds to fight in Northern Iraq, and the trianing they receoved was dierected at mobilizing them to take on Alqeada should the US liberate Iraq from the Saddam.
So why are those same gallant kurdish freedom fighters now listed as a terrorist organisation? Too bad you also trained the taliban in Afghanistan.
posted by jester
Mark my words, the weakness you hide under, this notion of international law will only cause more death and destruction over scores of years than letting the good countries of the world actually fight against Islam now.
Not nearly as much as an insane crusade sponsored by christian fundamentalists that believe a talking snake got us turfed out of paradise.
posted by BTS
Kool
Go it it alone then........
Maybe you will like speaking Arabic.
Nah the british are too lazy for that. Why do you think everybody speaks english.:sneaky: Even if some have forgotten how to spell it properly.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
I don't know if people have either forgotten or never knew where the democrats stood regarding WMD's but it annoys me when everyone tries to put all the blame on Bush. 
Bill Clinton:
Al Gore:
John Kerry:
Hilary Clinton:
Democrats in general:
Bill Clinton:
Al Gore:
John Kerry:
Hilary Clinton:
Democrats in general:
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You know what's common to all of them?
They're Americans.
They're Americans.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1013651 wrote: You know what's common to all of them?
They're Americans.
so is Bush.
They're Americans.
so is Bush.
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sunny104;1013653 wrote: so is Bush.
Indeed he is. Hence my "all".
Politicians who promise they're telling the truth over a matter as major as whether to start a war ought to be brought to some sort of tribunal if it turns out they twisted what facts they had, and that a neutral reading of the evidence actually before them was contrary to what they claimed.
The war was created by the Bush White House, not by any of those other people. It turned out to have been a war of aggression, not a defensive war as the Administration claimed at the time. The intelligence they claimed to have, as support for their declaration of war, turned out to have been a flimsy tissue of lies, something the entire Administration was well aware of when it made its case.
Indeed he is. Hence my "all".
Politicians who promise they're telling the truth over a matter as major as whether to start a war ought to be brought to some sort of tribunal if it turns out they twisted what facts they had, and that a neutral reading of the evidence actually before them was contrary to what they claimed.
The war was created by the Bush White House, not by any of those other people. It turned out to have been a war of aggression, not a defensive war as the Administration claimed at the time. The intelligence they claimed to have, as support for their declaration of war, turned out to have been a flimsy tissue of lies, something the entire Administration was well aware of when it made its case.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
spot;1013681 wrote: Indeed he is. Hence my "all".
Politicians who promise they're telling the truth over a matter as major as whether to start a war ought to be brought to some sort of tribunal if it turns out they twisted what facts they had, and that a neutral reading of the evidence actually before them was contrary to what they claimed.
The war was created by the Bush White House, not by any of those other people. It turned out to have been a war of aggression, not a defensive war as the Administration claimed at the time. The intelligence they claimed to have, as support for their declaration of war, turned out to have been a flimsy tissue of lies, something the entire Administration was well aware of when it made its case.
but that flimsy tissue of lies was started by Clinton then. He was making the same claims while he was in office and no one accused him of lying. Also, the war had the full support of these people at the time because of those beliefs.
It doesn't make sense that everyone now tries to claim that this is completely Bush's doing.
Politicians who promise they're telling the truth over a matter as major as whether to start a war ought to be brought to some sort of tribunal if it turns out they twisted what facts they had, and that a neutral reading of the evidence actually before them was contrary to what they claimed.
The war was created by the Bush White House, not by any of those other people. It turned out to have been a war of aggression, not a defensive war as the Administration claimed at the time. The intelligence they claimed to have, as support for their declaration of war, turned out to have been a flimsy tissue of lies, something the entire Administration was well aware of when it made its case.
but that flimsy tissue of lies was started by Clinton then. He was making the same claims while he was in office and no one accused him of lying. Also, the war had the full support of these people at the time because of those beliefs.
It doesn't make sense that everyone now tries to claim that this is completely Bush's doing.
Mccain vs. Obama Debate II
sunny104;1013816 wrote: but that flimsy tissue of lies was started by Clinton then. He was making the same claims while he was in office and no one accused him of lying. Also, the war had the full support of these people at the time because of those beliefs.
It doesn't make sense that everyone now tries to claim that this is completely Bush's doing.
Bush's White House was the place the war was conceived, organized and executed.
It doesn't make sense that everyone now tries to claim that this is completely Bush's doing.
Bush's White House was the place the war was conceived, organized and executed.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.