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wildhorses;1030385 wrote: It is not a valid replica with the number blocked out. Why is it blocked out? What would be the purpose of that? This internet image is not valid. Obama has no valid certificate number. If he did it would be included.


I understand that people in the US are wary of showing their SS number - is it really called an SS number? That employment code thing anyway. I assume the photo on the website removes the certificate number for a similar reason. I'd put my drivers licence on the web but I'd blank out the identification string, I'd post my passport on a website but blank the passport number and address.

You didn't read the article, did you. "They just want to believe what they believe," she said. "Nothing gets through to them". It's curiously sad. In England we don't so much attend to the individual manifesto promises at a general election, quite a lot of the swing in voting is on the integrity of the campaign and the degree to which the parties avoid personal abuse. We dislike few things more than a dirty campaign.
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spot;1030391 wrote: I understand that people in the US are wary of showing their SS number - is it really called an SS number? That employment code thing anyway. I assume the photo on the website removes the certificate number for a similar reason. I'd put my drivers licence on the web but I'd blank out the identification string, I'd post my passport on a website but blank the passport number and address.

You didn't read the article, did you. "They just want to believe what they believe," she said. "Nothing gets through to them". It's curiously sad. In England we don't so much attend to the individual manifesto promises at a general election, quite a lot of the swing in voting is on the integrity of the campaign and the degree to which the parties avoid personal abuse. We dislike few things more than a dirty campaign.


But this document is posted all over the net as indisputable proof of birth. It can't be tracked with no certificate number. So it is not valid proof of anything. I could run this document off my printer with my name added...and get the same. So how is this valid? I understand what you are saying with regard to protecting identification numbers....but valid proof we still don't have.
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wildhorses;1030451 wrote: But this document is posted all over the net as indisputable proof of birth. It can't be tracked with no certificate number. So it is not valid proof of anything. I could run this document off my printer with my name added...and get the same. So how is this valid? I understand what you are saying with regard to protecting identification numbers....but valid proof we still don't have.
I'm certain that the judge has the copy with the number showing.
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Accountable;1030467 wrote: I'm certain that the judge has the copy with the number showing.


Oh you mean the judge in the pending lawsuit? Well if there was a valid birth certificate then there would be no lawsuit....it would be thrown out by now.
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Joe Plumber;1030351 wrote: The thought plickens,

Obama did not respond to the lawsuit and this is where it is now:



*snip*You got this in an email?? Can you link something a tad closer to a primary source?

I have a problem with somebody flinging around accusations and saying "if you don't deny it it must be true." But I'm no legal expert
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wildhorses;1030478 wrote: Oh you mean the judge in the pending lawsuit? Well if there was a valid birth certificate then there would be no lawsuit....it would be thrown out by now.
You questioned the number, which I mentioned. A number showing doesn't necessarily make it valid.
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Accountable;1030482 wrote: You got this in an email?? Can you link something a tad closer to a primary source?

I have a problem with somebody flinging around accusations and saying "if you don't deny it it must be true." But I'm no legal expert


http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/compon ... rg-v-obama

That's Berg's website, that's his press release. The core statement in this thread - that Berg's claimed, because Senator Obama made no response to the court within 30 days, that he's "admitted all the allegations" - is true.

Berg seems to be something of an odd chap, he's filed against lots of national politicians over the last ten years.
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wlldhorses, the factcheck link I posted shows a picture with the number visible as well as the reason it was blacked out (they thought it was sensitive information).

If you are the one making the claim of forgery, the burden of proof falls on you to prove it.
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spot;1030699 wrote: Berg seems to be something of an odd chap, he's filed against lots of national politicians over the last ten years.


Also, I notice there's a big "donate" button on his site. Not hard to figure out who's scamming who.
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Jester;1032197 wrote: The higest law in our land demands it, and he refuses to produce it.

What does that tell all of us about Barry Seateo AKA Barrack Hussein Obama?


That it's in the hands of his lawyers and he's not giving it a moment's thought. The US has more deadweight lawyers than is seemly.
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Jester;1032189 wrote: The number or wether this document is valid is irrelevant, it is not a birth certificate, its a validation that someone in the records department in hawaii looked at his birth cetificate, this document is not signed by anyone in the office and is not valid becaseu it is not signed or notorized by an offical in the office.

But lets be clear, even if this is valid, this is still not a certificate of live birth in hawaii.


Check out the header on the document "Certification of Live Birth"

Oahu is the island of birth.

It's stamped with a seal of notary.
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Jester;1032525 wrote: Maybe the fringe media has the truth and the mainline media refuses to play it since it hurts their Darling Barack Barry Hussien Seateo Obama, the muslum turned christian, to get into politics-socialist who will hand our country over to the socialist agenda upon taking office.
Sadly I think you're just going to be stuck with it. Work out how to get all the Republicans to withdraw all support from his Government and he'll be left with nothing to drive.
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Jester;1032586 wrote: Well you maybe right, but I wont be stuck with it, or him, unless he wins the vote and proves his citizenship as US born.

The constitution is very important to me, if we dont have a constitutionally elected president then none of the laws or ordinances made by the feds during his time in office is binding on me.


I expect he'll win. I'm quite certain that he won't ever prove his citizenship as US born, I don't think it's provable.
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Jester;1032602 wrote: I'll accept an origial birth certificate from a hawaiian hospital, unless of course the claim it was destroyed in a fire...:-3Hospitals issue Birth Certificates? They don't do that here, there's proper government-run registry offices.
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Jester;1032272 wrote: Will you comment on what happens next though? It is important, Don't you find it odd that Barry will post a similance of a birth certificate on the web, but refuses to cooperate with a law suit to turn over his birth certificate stating 'national security' as the reason for not doing so?

Also since we have a legal declaration he is not a US citizen then, he should immediatly cease his campagn and prove it or quit.

I'll tell you why. Rignt now 25- 55,000 armed malitia, somewhat disorganized to each other at the moment, sit on US soil, ready and waiting for a reason to advance on the unconstitutional government they see taking over thier way of life... All they need is a reason that will unite them.

The ramblings Im hearing is that If Obama doesnt prove that he's a US citizen with a valid birth certificate and this issue isnt settled in the opem media, and he is shoed into the white house by popular vote or not, then there will be a reckoning in America.

The constitution will be followed or they will give thier lives for thier cause and what will probably happen is they will loose, but at least they will have fought thier best.

I find it odd that Lincoln set the slaves free and it caused civil war, and now we have a black man that could possibly be the president, and civil war will come again, yet it wont be becaseu he's black, it will be becaseu the socialist agenda pushed him in breaking constitutional law.


Depending on one's perspective, we may also see these would-be rebels as domestic terrorists that seek to undermine the results of a free election. If people want to wear tin foil hats, or white pointy hats, that's their choice. But they will need to look in the mirror at the arrogance by which they take the law into their own hands, with no regard for reason.

Obama has already answered the question ... to the same extent that McCain has.

The lawyer pushing this case just wants to single one candidate out for endless legal harassment, because they have a personal grievance against him. It's a misuse of the legal system.

This whole issue just manufactured distraction. Fake outrage, to avoid discussing any real issues... like the economy.
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Jester;1032841 wrote: I'd appreciate getting to the issues to tell you the truth, but its kind of difficult to do until I know which candidates to bother listening to, if Obama can't be president then Im not going to waste my time trying to find out what his idieas are to fix the issues.


Why don't you just pretend that Biden is running then? You clearly don't like Obama, and so perhaps it will clear out some of the distractions.
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Have you glanced at the filing? ... it's a joke. He even cites discrepancies between the English and Italian versions of Wikipedia as evidence for his view. And you take it seriously?

If you think cooperating with a nutter is a smart legal strategy, I'm sorry to say you don't know anything about law or the legal process. Any cooperation or information is only going to give the guy more ammo to tie up the courts for five years, before it's all dismissed as a complete waste of time.

The lawyer in the suit has no legal standing to sue Obama, the DNC, or Federal Election Committee or expect his laundry list of demands to be granted or even taken seriously.

McCain was sued in CA, for similar reasons (his non-U.S. birth) and pushed for dismissal. While I'm not a McCain supporter, I think that kind of lawsuit is harmful to our democracy. It puts the power in the hands of the person with the best legal team. You really want to go in that direction? A litacracy?

Have you thought this through beyond your dislike of one person? We've already had a taste of this, with Bush LOSING the election in 2000 but being put in power anyway, after he (and his brother Jeb) stopped the recount in the state of which his ol' buddy was governor.
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If it turns out that Obama is not a naturalized citizen, i can understand the consequences on him as a Presidential Candidate, but how would it affect the Primary vote??
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TO THE TRAITORS IN CONGRESS









By Lynn Stuter

January 13, 2009

Lynn Stuter -- The traitors in Congress

On January 8, 2009, with no objection being raised, Congress — House and Senate — voted unanimously to certify the Electoral College.

Not one legislator, Republican or Democrat, Senator or Representative, could or did refute even one of the undisputed facts concerning the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to the office of president under Article II, Section 1, United States Constitution. Not one!

Those undisputed facts are as follows:

1. Barack Hussein Obama has not been vetted or certified eligible to the office of president of the United States by any agency tasked to do so or authorized to do so.

2. Not one American citizen, not one Senator, not one Representative has seen, touched or examined Barack Hussein Obama’s vault copy Hawaii birth certificate. While October 31, 2008, Dr Chiyome Fukino, Department of Health, Hawaii, issued a press release in which she stated that she had “seen and verified” that a Hawaii birth certificate for Obama did exist; she did not state what was on it nor did she state that it showed that Obama was born in Hawaii.

3. The Certification of Live Birth (COLB) that Obama has been waving about is not a “birth certificate” as he claims, as the mainstream media claims, as FactCheck.org and FighttheSmears.com claims. The COLB is a short form, computer printed document deriving the information printed thereon from a database of information supposedly (See #13 and #14 below) taken from the original long form vault copy Hawaiian birth certificate.

4. Factcheck.org claims to be a non-partisan organization. Factcheck.org is funded by the Annenberg Foundation on whose board Obama sat. Factcheck.org is about as non-partisan as is Obama. The Annenberg Foundation has never passed up a chance to fund a “progressive” (a.k.a., Marxist) cause.

5. Hawaii has a law, HRS 338-17.8, which allows for the birth registration of a child born in a foreign country so long as one parent is a U.S. citizen and so long as that parent claimed Hawaii as his or her permanent residence for one year prior to the birth. Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama met both of these requirements.

6. If Obama was born in Hawaii, he is, at best, a dual citizen. At his birth, his father was a British subject as Kenya was a British colony. Dual citizenship precludes Obama from eligibility under Article II, Section 1, United States Constitution. Prior cases decided by the United States Supreme Court, involving the determination of “natural born” have used Vattel’s “The Law of Nations” definition which states, “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” (Part I, Chapter 19, Section 212). Factcheck.org states that Obama was a dual citizen at birth.

7. If Obama was born in Kenya, he was, at birth, a British subject as Kenya was a British colony. American law, at that time, required that Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama be a minimum of 19 years of age at his birth to confer to him her American citizenship if he was born outside the United States; she was only 18 years old when Obama was born.

8. Barack Hussein Obama’s paternal step-grandmother has stated before witnesses, said witnesses signing affidavits, that she was witness to the birth of Obama in Kenya. See here, here, and here.

9. Michelle Obama has stated that Barack Hussein Obama was adopted by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen.

10. When Barack Hussein Obama was registered at the Fransiskus Assissi Primary School in Jakarta, Indonesia, his father was listed as Lolo Seotoro; his citizenship as Indonesian; his name as Barry Soetoro.

11. When Stanley Ann (Dunham) Soetoro divorced Lolo Soetoro in 1980, the divorce papers show they had two children: one minor child (Maya), one over 18 (Barack).

12. When Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, became an Indonesian citizen, his British citizenship would have been terminated; if he was born in Hawaii, also his American dual citizenship. Indonesia does not allow for dual citizenship.

13. Returning to the COLB. This document, as waved about by Obama, may be authentic on its face (See #14), but it is not accurate. Were it accurate, it would show Lolo Soetoro as his father; his name as Barry Soetoro.

14. The COLB Obama waves about lists the race of his biological father as “African.” African is not a race any more than American is. This brings into question the authenticity of the COLB Obama is waving about as his “birth certificate.”

15. If Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, did become an American citizen, he became a naturalized American citizen which precludes him from eligibility under Article II, Section 1, United States Constitution. There has been no proof presented that he is even a naturalized American citizen.

16. Barack Hussein Obama has multiple aliases: Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barry Obama, Barack Soetoro, Barack Dunham. When he registered with the American Bar Association, he listed none of these as is required by law. Unless he had his name legally changed to Barack Hussein Obama after his adoption, of which there has been no proof presented, Barry Soetoro is his real name and Barack Hussein Obama is an alias.

17. All his passport records, education records, medical records, birth records have become “not available” to the public. Those records show where he was born, if he applied for or received aid as a foreign student, the country or countries from which he has received passports.

18. His selective service registration appears to be fraudulent. If he was a naturalized American citizen when he turned 18, and he failed to register with the selective service, he is barred from holding any position in government, elected or otherwise.

19. If he is not even a naturalized citizen, he is barred from holding any elected office.

20. If he is not even a naturalized citizen, he is an illegal alien.



When Senators and Representatives are elected to service their fellow Americans in Washington, DC, they take an oath of office to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” That oath ends with “So help me God.”

Following are some of the responses American citizens received from their elected representative to Washington, DC.



Representative Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA):



Without a doubt, Congress has the responsibility to uphold the Constitution, including assuring that our elected officials meet the requirements of the job. As you point out in your letter, one must be a natural-born citizen of the United States in order to serve as the president. There have been a few cases brought before the courts in various states that address concerns about the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate. None of these cases have been taken up by the courts. It is my understanding that Obama's birth certificate has been certified as being authentic and as placing his birth in Hawaii. I thank you for bringing this concern to my attention and wish to assure you that I support transparency for the records of all candidates but especially for a job as grave as the President of the United States.





Senator Johnny Isakson (R-GA):



The United States Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen of the United States. Senator Obama's campaign provided his birth certificate to the media amid allegations that he did not meet this qualification. The certificate, confirmed by the Hawaii Department of Health as authentic, shows that he was born in Hawaii. There are a number of lawsuits pending on this matter, and I will be following the outcomes of the cases closely.





Representative Wally Herger (R-CA):



As you know, some questions have been raised about whether President-elect Obama is a natural born citizen. There was a recent lawsuit arguing that he is not eligible for the Presidency for this reason. I understand that the Supreme Court considered hearing this lawsuit, but it ultimately turned down the request to have the case before the full court. I also understand that the director of Hawaii's Department of Health recently confirmed that President-elect Obama was born in Honolulu and has said that she has personally verified that her agency has his original birth certificate on record. Although I value your concern, and I will continue to monitor this issue, I do not believe that sufficient evidence has been brought to light at this time to conclude that President-elect Obama is ineligible for the office.





Senator Mel Martinez (R-FL):



As you may know, a voter recently raised this issue before a federal court in Pennsylvania. On October 24, 2008, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania released an order in the case of Berg v.Obama. In that case, the plaintiff, Phillip Berg, raised the same issue that your letter raises regarding proof of the President-Elect's birthplace. Through his lawsuit, Mr. Berg sought to compel President-Elect Obama to produce a certified copy of his birth certificate.



The District Court dismissed Mr. Berg's suit and held that the question of Obama's citizenship is not a matter for a court to decide. The court further noted that voters, not courts, should decide whether a particular presidential candidate is qualified to hold office.

Presidential candidates are vetted by voters at least twice - first in the primary elections and again in the general election. President-Elect Obama won the Democratic Party's nomination after one of the most fiercely contested presidential primaries in American history. And, he has now been duly elected by the majority of voters in the United States. Throughout both the primary and general election, concerns about Mr. Obama's birthplace were raised. The voters have made clear their view that Mr. Obama meets the qualifications to hold the office of President.

[LEFT]After he is sworn into office, Mr. Obama will be our nation's President and I intend to bestow upon him the honor and respect due any man who holds that Office. Yet, I am certain that there will be times when I will disagree and oppose President Obama's policies. When that happens, you can be assured that I will pursue vigorously what I believe to be in the best interest of Florida and the nation.

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And these people were elected to serve the American people in the U.S. Senate or U.S. House of Representatives. If they approach something as important as the eligibility of a candidate to the office of president with this level of apathy, how can we ever believe they approach a bill with anything less? Is it any wonder our country is in the mess it is?

But indifference of the facts is not an excuse for the failure by Senators and Representatives to uphold the U.S. Constitution and their oath of office. It has been proven, beyond reasonable doubt, that Barack Hussein Obama is not an American citizen and is not, therefore, eligible to the office of president under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, United States Constitution. And every lawyer among those serving in Washington DC knows that just because a lawsuit is dismissed does not mean it is without merit. As so adequately displayed in the irresponsible responses above, these representatives try to make the claim, by insinuation, that since cases were dismissed on administrative grounds (procedural), that they are without merit (factual basis). Nothing could be further from the truth. Administrative procedure has nothing to do with the merits of a case. A case can have merit but still be dismissed on administrative grounds. This is often the process used by judges to get out of addressing cases they don’t want to address; especially cases where their loyalty is to the money-changers in the temple. There is not a judge in American that cannot be bought like a whore on a street corner. Those who can’t be bought, like Judge Roy Moore, find themselves removed from the bench.

If there was any doubt before January 8, 2009 of how the U S Senators and Representatives, and the U.S. Supreme Court view the people of this nation, that doubt is no more; they have made it crystal clear that, in their eyes, the people of this nation are nothing more than chattel to be used, abused and discarded at the pleasure of a centralized, totalitarian global regime.





If we, the people, subjugate, we deserve the misery we heap on ourselves! The Declaration of Independence makes it clear:



We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.





To the traitors that are our U.S. Senators and Representatives; Numbers 30:2 is quite apropos, “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.” Every Senator, ever Representative takes an oath before God; the closing words of that oath being "So help me God." While they may scoff at the word of God now except when it suits them to do otherwise, will they scoff when they stand before God in atonement?



© 2009 Lynn M. Stuter - All Rights Reserved



Activist and researcher, Stuter has spent the last fifteen years researching systems theory and systems philosophy with a particular emphasis on education as it pertains to achieving the sustainable global environment. She home schooled two daughters. She has worked with legislators, both state and federal, on issues pertaining to systems governance, the sustainable global environment and education reform. She networks nationwide with other researchers and a growing body of citizens concerned with the transformation of our nation from a Constitutional Republic to a participatory democracy. She has traveled the United States and lived overseas.

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I cannot tell you all how relieved I am to have discovered this thread - which shows that there are different American views posted by American posters on these topics in Forum Garden.
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AussiePam;1109315 wrote: I cannot tell you all how relieved I am to have discovered this thread - which shows that there are different American views posted by American posters on these topics in Forum Garden.


Quite Pam..

To use his real names....... 'Ali Hussain Obongo' will be sworn in soon. :(:(:(:(
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BTS wrote: Y’all know what Ol’ Tom Jefferson said, don’t’cha?

"A government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take all you have"

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Actually, that was Gerald Ford. :)

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yaaarrrgg;1109330 wrote: Actually, that was Gerald Ford. :)

Presidential address to a joint session of Congress (12 August 1974) .


I wonder what will go down in history as the greatest quotes from 'Ali Hussain Obongo' AKA 'Barry George'?
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You know, simple courtesy doesn't go amiss. President-elect Obama is entirely accurate and neutral. Name-calling won't advance the arguments in either direction, it just looks ugly.
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spot;1109335 wrote: You know, simple courtesy doesn't go amiss. President-elect Obama is entirely accurate and neutral. Name-calling won't advance the arguments in either direction, it just looks ugly.


Apologies Spot. I am only calling him which research journalists found on him.

His kenyan half families name is 'Obongo'. I add a link to verify this.

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oscar;1109347 wrote: Apologies Spot. I am only calling him which research journalists found on him.

His kenyan half families name is 'Obongo'. I add a link to verify this.

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You really do have problems sometimes. What's your reason for posting this racist claptrap? It can't be ignorance and it feels shockingly malicious.
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yaaarrrgg;1109330 wrote: Actually, that was Gerald Ford. :)

Presidential address to a joint session of Congress (12 August 1974) .


Thanks ....... yingyang

I will update.

Do I need to write a retraction too?:confused:
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spot;1109358 wrote: You really do have problems sometimes. What's your reason for posting this racist claptrap? It can't be ignorance and it feels shockingly malicious.


Then let me apologise sincerely if i have offended anyone.

My reasons would be the same reasons that Journalists have researched into his birth names of which there are many many links and previous press reports on. I am sure they were not being racist.. but reporting what they have found.
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You really do have problems sometimes. What's your reason for posting this racist claptrap? It can't be ignorance and it feels shockingly malicious.





oscar;1109367 wrote: Then let me apologise sincerely if i have offended anyone.



My reasons would be the same reasons that Journalists have researched into his birth names of which there are many many links and previous press reports on. I am sure they were not being racist.. but reporting what they have found.


What spat meant to say was:

"LEAVE THE MESSIAH ALONG ALREADY"

"There is no REASON to doubt ANYTHING he spiels........."

Isn't that about it spat?

Racist.......... Where did she do that in your shallow mind?
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oscar;1109367 wrote: Then let me apologise sincerely if i have offended anyone.

My reasons would be the same reasons that Journalists have researched into his birth names of which there are many many links and previous press reports on. I am sure they were not being racist.. but reporting what they have found.


I'm honestly trying to understand what you're talking about but I'm failing miserably.

The entire Nexis database has two single news outlet references. One is the BBC Monitoring Service quoting a Kenyan private Kiss FM radio broadcast on 3 November where an unnamed presenter referred to "Family spokesman Malik Obongo", the other's a letter to the Chattanooga Times Free Press on October 3rd:The orthodox Muslim, anti-Semite Saudi, Khalid al-Mansour sponsored him at Harvard. Four times, Obama voted against English as our official language. Are these people we want sleeping in the White House along with Farrakhan, leader of the Nation Islam, Obama's half-brother Obongo, a militant Muslim, and the Rev. Wright? Better check this Pied Piper before it's too late.

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What do you mean by " Journalists have researched into his birth names of which there are many many links and previous press reports on"? Are you just trying to be amusing? All the Internet blog hits on "Obongo" are racist hate sites. Where's the journalist research? Where are the previous press reports?
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spot;1109386 wrote: I'm honestly trying to understand what you're talking about but I'm failing miserably.

The entire Nexis database has two single news outlet references. One is the BBC Monitoring Service quoting a Kenyan private Kiss FM radio broadcast on 3 November where an unnamed presenter referred to "Family spokesman Malik Obongo", the other's a letter to the Chattanooga Times Free Press on October 3rd:The orthodox Muslim, anti-Semite Saudi, Khalid al-Mansour sponsored him at Harvard. Four times, Obama voted against English as our official language. Are these people we want sleeping in the White House along with Farrakhan, leader of the Nation Islam, Obama's half-brother Obongo, a militant Muslim, and the Rev. Wright? Better check this Pied Piper before it's too late.

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What do you mean by " Journalists have researched into his birth names of which there are many many links and previous press reports on"? Are you just trying to be amusing? All the Internet blog hits on "Obongo" are racist hate sites. Where's the journalist research? Where are the previous press reports?


No Spot, i am not trying to be amusing.

I will try to find the link from an article by The Daily Mail during the election about Obama's Kenyan family.
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oscar;1109393 wrote: No Spot, i am not trying to be amusing.

I will try to find the link from an article by The Daily Mail during the election about Obama's Kenyan family.


I don't give a flying toss about the Daily Mail's discussion of his Kenyan family, I'm bothered by anyone unilaterally renaming the man "To use his real names....... 'Ali Hussain Obongo' will be sworn in soon". How bloody racist can it get?
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I have just trawled through 5 pages of sites on the web Spot. They all confirm that Obama's half brother and family are of the name 'Obongo, however, the sites inc forums apperar to be racist.

I will keep looking for the one i saw in a British newspaper.

If the worlds press have reported names of 'Ali' 'Hussain' 'Barry George' all through the election.. why is that racist? I am only quoting names reported on across the world as i'm sure they were not being racist when they reported on him.
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What I think you'll find, if you end up with a reasonable account, is that President-elect Obama has a half-brother Malik Obama whom he first met in 1985. Malik was informally known as Roy and in 1993 adopted the name Abongo in place of Malik or Roy. It's his name, not anyone else's in the extended family, it's a personal name, not a family name and it isn't Obongo in any circumstance at all.In Obama's book Dreams of My Father, interestingly enough, he writes about meeting Malik as an adult: “I checked into the cheapest room I could find and waited. At nine, I heard a knock. When I opened the door, I found a big man standing there with his hands in his pockets, an even-toothed grin breaking across his ebony face. ‘Hey, brother,’ he said. ‘How’s life?’ In the pictures I had of Roy, he was slender, dressed in African print, with an Afro, a goatee, a mustache. The man who embraced me now was much heavier, over two hundred pounds, I guessed, the flesh on his cheeks pressing out beneath a thick pair of glasses. The goatee was gone; the African shirt had been replaced by a gray sports coat, white shirt, and tie. Auma had been right, though; his resemblance to the Old Man was unnerving. Looking at my brother, I felt as if I were ten years old again.”

It was later that Malik converted to Islam, Obama wrote in Dreams: “The person who made me proudest of all, though, was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol. He still works at his accounting firm, but talks about moving back to Kenya once he has enough money.”

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I take it those two quotes are authentic. How do you get from a half-brother's alternative Luo name to writing of President-elect Obama "To use his real names....... 'Ali Hussain Obongo' will be sworn in soon"? How can you pretend you're not making a shoddy underhand racist attack on the man?
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spot;1109439 wrote: What I think you'll find, if you end up with a reasonable account, is that President-elect Obama has a half-brother Malik Obama whom he first met in 1985. Malik was informally known as Roy and more recently, according to some accounts, adopted the name Abongo in place of Malik or Roy. It's his name, not anyone else's in the extended family, it's a personal name, not a family name and it isn't Obongo in any circumstance at all.In Obama's book Dreams of My Father, interestingly enough, he writes about meeting Malik as an adult: “I checked into the cheapest room I could find and waited. At nine, I heard a knock. When I opened the door, I found a big man standing there with his hands in his pockets, an even-toothed grin breaking across his ebony face. ‘Hey, brother,’ he said. ‘How’s life?’ In the pictures I had of Roy, he was slender, dressed in African print, with an Afro, a goatee, a mustache. The man who embraced me now was much heavier, over two hundred pounds, I guessed, the flesh on his cheeks pressing out beneath a thick pair of glasses. The goatee was gone; the African shirt had been replaced by a gray sports coat, white shirt, and tie. Auma had been right, though; his resemblance to the Old Man was unnerving. Looking at my brother, I felt as if I were ten years old again.”

It was later that Malik converted to Islam, Obama wrote in Dreams: “The person who made me proudest of all, though, was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol. He still works at his accounting firm, but talks about moving back to Kenya once he has enough money.”

Political Punch: From the Fact Check Desk: What Did Obama's Half-Brother Say About Obama's Background?

I take it those two quotes are authentic. How do you get from a half-brother's alternative Luo name to writing of President-elect Obama "To use his real names....... 'Ali Hussain Obongo' will be sworn in soon"? How can you pretend you're not making a shoddy underhand attack on the man?


I have read the passage from Obama's book that you have quoted as it's on the net with many others i have read on him.

I make no bones that i believe Obama will be a big dissapointment to the American votors. I make no bones about the fact that i find his past disturbing. As an example, his alleged vote rigging reported in the press, his association with 'Ayers' and 'Rev Wright'.

However, i do not care if he's black. We must always remember that Obama has a white mother and is a native American.

If you believe that my comment prior to the apology i placed in the following post should i have offended anyone, is a shoddy underhand attack on the man, then there is not a lot i can do other than trawl sites for hours looking for links.
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oscar;1109466 wrote: I have read the passage from Obama's book that you have quoted as it's on the net with many others i have read on him.

I make no bones that i believe Obama will be a big dissapointment to the American votors. I make no bones about the fact that i find his past disturbing. As an example, his alleged vote rigging reported in the press, his association with 'Ayers' and 'Rev Wright'.

However, i do not care if he's black. We must always remember that Obama has a white mother and is a native American.

If you believe that my comment prior to the apology i placed in the following post should i have offended anyone, is a shoddy underhand attack on the man, then there is not a lot i can do other than trawl sites for hours looking for links.


So you're sticking to this nonsense that his real names are Ali Hussain Obongo?
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oscar;1109466 wrote: As an example, his alleged vote rigging reported in the pressGo on, I'll bite, what press? Show me a press report so I can read that up, I have no idea what it refers to.
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spot;1109475 wrote: Go on, I'll bite, what press? Show me a press report so I can read that up, I have no idea what it refers to.


I will try to find the allegations for a link. I did say 'alleged by press'.
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oscar;1109483 wrote: I will try to find the allegations for a link. I did say 'alleged by press'.


You're not alleging there's a press report, you're definitely saying there's a press report. That's why I'd like to read it, to see what it claims regarding vote-rigging by President-elect Obama.
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