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Stopping people from selling fossil fuels is top of my agenda too, Hope.

Are you suggesting gas pipe workers are too dim to get a job doing something socially useful?

Or are you bothered by a different industry? Who is going to become unemployable, in your opinion?

When all the new Artificial Intelligence boxes get deployed, then you'll really see large-scale unemployability. Would you like to blame that on socialism?

In my working lifetime I've seen various industries entirely disappear. Nobody in their right mind would want any of them back. Do you really want telephone receptionists answering your call, or putting your long distance call through to a subscriber in another city? And in twenty years, when AI surgery has a lower mortality than human surgeons, or radiographers get lower scores than AI radiography analysis, are you going to complain when those professions disappear too?
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"You can't just flip a switch and go from fossil fuels to renewable energy,"

Yes you can. Europe is doing it. We're doing it. My son is making a fortune working in the industry as a worker. If these guys had a brain they would be retraining now and getting ahead of the others. Isn't that how America works? Free enterprise and jumping thoughtfully ahead?
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Back in the 1970s me and my kind forced at least 5% of UK workers to redeploy from accounts departments in every big firm in the country, balancing all the trading accounts by hand, recalculating interest accruals twice a year on every bank and savings and mortgage account in the country, and we did it by computerising floor after floor of them into small admin departments. It was a mind-bendingly useless job by the time it was made obsolete, and some of the staff had been doing it since they demobbed from World War Two. That's your fossil energy companies today, and good riddance to them.
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All this stuff can't happen overnight! These folks are out of work now. What are they supposed to do. People are saying they can get good paying jobs making solar panels, how are they going to do that? move to China? that's where most of them are made.
In these days of high unemployment already due to the virus, we need to be getting more people working not taking jobs away from people who are already working! If nothing else it's a case of really bad timing.

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magentaflame wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:19 pm "You can't just flip a switch and go from fossil fuels to renewable energy,"

Yes you can. Europe is doing it. We're doing it. My son is making a fortune working in the industry as a worker. If these guys had a brain they would be retraining now and getting ahead of the others. Isn't that how America works? Free enterprise and jumping thoughtfully ahead?
If you had been through the mess I've been through putting up with a solar project that is being built next door to us, you wouldn't think to highly of the industry. We have been through hell! I don't generally get mad but I'm about really to smack somebody!
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spot wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:14 pm Stopping people from selling fossil fuels is top of my agenda too, Hope.

Are you suggesting gas pipe workers are too dim to get a job doing something socially useful?

Or are you bothered by a different industry? Who is going to become unemployable, in your opinion?

When all the new Artificial Intelligence boxes get deployed, then you'll really see large-scale unemployability. Would you like to blame that on socialism?

In my working lifetime I've seen various industries entirely disappear. Nobody in their right mind would want any of them back. Do you really want telephone receptionists answering your call, or putting your long distance call through to a subscriber in another city? And in twenty years, when AI surgery has a lower mortality than human surgeons, or radiographers get lower scores than AI radiography analysis, are you going to complain when those professions disappear too?
My farming business depends very highly on fossil fuels. I haven't heard yet about anyone building any electric tractors.
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Hope6 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:47 pm All this stuff can't happen overnight! These folks are out of work now. What are they supposed to do. People are saying they can get good paying jobs making solar panels, how are they going to do that? move to China? that's where most of them are made.
In these days of high unemployment already due to the virus, we need to be getting more people working not taking jobs away from people who are already working! If nothing else it's a case of really bad timing.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/laid-o ... order-jobs
making solar panels? Nah they tried that crap here with the same rhetoric. And that's exactly what it is, rhetoric nonsense. (you'd really think they'd come up with something new) The thing is and why I jumped on it, is because it's been happening for years ...what's this overnight business rhetoric? And may I remind you ...all countries governments moved manufacturing off shore . You're not alone in that. Have a look at what you're standing in right now clothing wise...YOU are Chinese. Well at least the outer layer. There are more issues than just a couple of turbines.
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Hope6 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:51 pm
magentaflame wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:19 pm "You can't just flip a switch and go from fossil fuels to renewable energy,"

Yes you can. Europe is doing it. We're doing it. My son is making a fortune working in the industry as a worker. If these guys had a brain they would be retraining now and getting ahead of the others. Isn't that how America works? Free enterprise and jumping thoughtfully ahead?
If you had been through the mess I've been through putting up with a solar project that is being built next door to us, you wouldn't think to highly of the industry. We have been through hell! I don't generally get mad but I'm about really to smack somebody!
to be honest with you Hope...and I love you. You're the nearest thing on this board that reflects my own life. I have looked at everywhere they have put solar farms here....none of them are near housing or farms to have such an impact. I think it's an American thing to be honest.


And quite frankly....you know i like a woman who's ready to smack someone. I respect that....cause I know how much it takes to want to do that as a female. :)
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spot wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:31 pm Back in the 1970s me and my kind forced at least 5% of UK workers to redeploy from accounts departments in every big firm in the country, balancing all the trading accounts by hand, recalculating interest accruals twice a year on every bank and savings and mortgage account in the country, and we did it by computerising floor after floor of them into small admin departments. It was a mind-bendingly useless job by the time it was made obsolete, and some of the staff had been doing it since they demobbed from World War Two. That's your fossil energy companies today, and good riddance to them.
Next ....the patriarchal system. :lol:
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Hope6 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:53 pm
spot wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:14 pm Stopping people from selling fossil fuels is top of my agenda too, Hope.

Are you suggesting gas pipe workers are too dim to get a job doing something socially useful?

Or are you bothered by a different industry? Who is going to become unemployable, in your opinion?

When all the new Artificial Intelligence boxes get deployed, then you'll really see large-scale unemployability. Would you like to blame that on socialism?

In my working lifetime I've seen various industries entirely disappear. Nobody in their right mind would want any of them back. Do you really want telephone receptionists answering your call, or putting your long distance call through to a subscriber in another city? And in twenty years, when AI surgery has a lower mortality than human surgeons, or radiographers get lower scores than AI radiography analysis, are you going to complain when those professions disappear too?
My farming business depends very highly on fossil fuels. I haven't heard yet about anyone building any electric tractors.
Don't listen to him Hope...farming is not going to be depleted. And everyone is finding that out because of the pandemic. Farming practices though are changing.
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magentaflame wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:52 pm
Hope6 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:51 pm
magentaflame wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:19 pm "You can't just flip a switch and go from fossil fuels to renewable energy,"

Yes you can. Europe is doing it. We're doing it. My son is making a fortune working in the industry as a worker. If these guys had a brain they would be retraining now and getting ahead of the others. Isn't that how America works? Free enterprise and jumping thoughtfully ahead?
If you had been through the mess I've been through putting up with a solar project that is being built next door to us, you wouldn't think to highly of the industry. We have been through hell! I don't generally get mad but I'm about really to smack somebody!
to be honest with you Hope...and I love you. You're the nearest thing on this board that reflects my own life. I have looked at everywhere they have put solar farms here....none of them are near housing or farms to have such an impact. I think it's an American thing to be honest.


And quite frankly....you know i like a woman who's ready to smack someone. I respect that....cause I know how much it takes to want to do that as a female. :)
:lol: :lol: :lol: I love you too honey and you gave me the best laugh I've had in a while with the smacking somebody comment. But you have to know it's a thing with us southern women. :lol: :lol:

Seriously though, when they started out they only had to stay 25 feet from our property line and once I complained they agreed to 250 feet from the house. We had to file an injunction and go to court. After years of complaining to the board of supervisors and the solar company the nearest solar panels to us will now be 500 feet.

The last straw for me to be ready to smack somebody was when they put some kind of weird gravel on the road a couple of days ago. I left for an appointment and had 2 flat tires on my car by the time I got half a mile away.
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magentaflame wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:06 pm
Hope6 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:53 pm
spot wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:14 pm Stopping people from selling fossil fuels is top of my agenda too, Hope.

Are you suggesting gas pipe workers are too dim to get a job doing something socially useful?

Or are you bothered by a different industry? Who is going to become unemployable, in your opinion?

When all the new Artificial Intelligence boxes get deployed, then you'll really see large-scale unemployability. Would you like to blame that on socialism?

In my working lifetime I've seen various industries entirely disappear. Nobody in their right mind would want any of them back. Do you really want telephone receptionists answering your call, or putting your long distance call through to a subscriber in another city? And in twenty years, when AI surgery has a lower mortality than human surgeons, or radiographers get lower scores than AI radiography analysis, are you going to complain when those professions disappear too?
My farming business depends very highly on fossil fuels. I haven't heard yet about anyone building any electric tractors.
Don't listen to him Hope...farming is not going to be depleted. And everyone is finding that out because of the pandemic. Farming practices though are changing.
You're right! If people want to eat they'll have to look to a farmer. :D
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Sadly, I'm sure the pipeline workers who "voted" for Joe, certainly regret that choice now! How things differ when one begets power!

And yes, the workers may find new employment, but they likely will be "entry level" positions, not offering anywhere close to their old pipeline salary!

The laid off workers financial obligation still remain the same, so a hardship will befall them!
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cars wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:15 am Sadly, I'm sure the pipeline workers who "voted" for Joe, certainly regret that choice now! How things differ when one begets power!

And yes, the workers may find new employment, but they likely will be "entry level" positions, not offering anywhere close to their old pipeline salary!

The laid off workers financial obligation still remain the same, so a hardship will befall them!
I'm sure there's a stack of Ba'athist party officials in Baghdad who faced the exact same issue a few years back, for the same reason. Or all the suddenly-unemployed U-Boat crews who had to retrain. People no longer wanted them to continue to do their old job.

I doubt you'll find many pipeline workers who voted Democrat in the first place though.

There's a chap in the Washington Post today who refers to America as "this nation of decent, congenial people". God only knows what planet he's living on.
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So what do the supporters of green energy suggest be done when something like this happens and there is no fossil fuels to back it up?

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/20 ... 483230001/
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If Trump's border wall had been finished this would have never happened and now 13 people are dead.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cra ... s-76219862
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Hope6 wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:36 pm If Trump's border wall had been finished this would have never happened and now 13 people are dead.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cra ... s-76219862
You may well be right, I've no idea why the boring time-waster didn't do it while he had the option. I think his wall talk was all hot air myself, designed to get the vote out and let Bannon skim money off thefundraising.

But you're losing 1,500 Americans a day, every day, to Trump's Pandemic and you're more concerned about a one-off crash killing 13 people? Is the pandemic just an irrelevance to you? I'd be more bothered about when the deaths to Covid will reach double figures if it were me. I'll be surprised if it ever gets there in America. You've lost more people to Covid in one year than died in the whole of World War Two in all the war theaters, and spent eight times the cost in real terms. In just one year. And nobody thinks that death toll was avoidable? Half a million Americans, under Trump's watch? Nobody wants so much as a public enquiry?

As for the fossil fuels, by all means create a strategic reserve for moments of crisis - just stop using it the rest of the time. Nobody could criticize squirrelling some aside for a rainy day.
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spot wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:25 pm
Hope6 wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:36 pm If Trump's border wall had been finished this would have never happened and now 13 people are dead.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cra ... s-76219862
You may well be right, I've no idea why the boring time-waster didn't do it while he had the option. I think his wall talk was all hot air myself, designed to get the vote out and let Bannon skim money off thefundraising.

But you're losing 1,500 Americans a day, every day, to Trump's Pandemic and you're more concerned about a one-off crash killing 13 people? Is the pandemic just an irrelevance to you? I'd be more bothered about when the deaths to Covid will reach double figures if it were me. I'll be surprised if it ever gets there in America. You've lost more people to Covid in one year than died in the whole of World War Two in all the war theaters, and spent eight times the cost in real terms. In just one year. And nobody thinks that death toll was avoidable? Half a million Americans, under Trump's watch? Nobody wants so much as a public enquiry?

As for the fossil fuels, by all means create a strategic reserve for moments of crisis - just stop using it the rest of the time. Nobody could criticize squirrelling some aside for a rainy day.
Seeing that these folks came through a hole cut in the existing "wall" to get in, I question the notion that the wall being completed would have had any affect on the outcome of this particular even.

There are a lot of instances being reported regarding sections of the Wall being cut through, torn down, or dug under.
So please tell me what the point will be in "Completing the Wall"
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Hope6 wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:23 pm So what do the supporters of green energy suggest be done when something like this happens and there is no fossil fuels to back it up?

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/20 ... 483230001/
Sorry, but that was proven to be mostly a lie by the Texas Power Commission.

Interesting story follows.
My cousin lives in Texas, and the day after the storm blew through. I was talking with him and his family via zoom connection. He was telling us about how the Texas Power folks were claiming that the windmills failed, and that was why they were all in blackouts. My cousin lives near a rather large wind farm, and while we were talking, during the whole discussion, we could see in the background, the windmills were happily turning away.
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spot wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:25 pmYou've lost more people to Covid in one year than died in the whole of World War Two in all the war theaters, and spent eight times the cost in real terms. In just one year.
I apologize - that didn't sound right when I wrote it and I only checked how it was expressed after I posted. The financial cost to America is already, part way through, in excess of the cost of World War Two in real terms, not "eight times" - I confused the total amount over the whole war with the rate of spending and typed it the wrong way.

https://www.journalgazette.net/news/us/ ... rld-war-ii is a synopsis from this month.

Two thirds of the spend was during the Trump presidency, one third (this month's $1.9T stimulus package) under President Biden.

To get a sense of how much that six trillion dollar cost is for this first year of Trump's Pandemic, it's three year's worth of federal income tax all in one go. It's an average $40,000 extra per tax return, for all 143 million tax returns. It's $11 million per Covid death. You can check the figures at https://taxfoundation.org/summary-of-th ... 20-update/
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It was not part of Trump's wall that the van went through. A hole had been cut in an existing fence. If Trump's wall had been there that would not have happened. Also it was the present administration that stopped construction on the wall. There were parts already made and ready to put up and even though the money had already been spent to make them, they were not allowed to be put up either. And now we've got people flocking to the border and they are being let in, even if they have Covid-19.
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spot wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:25 pm
Hope6 wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:36 pm If Trump's border wall had been finished this would have never happened and now 13 people are dead.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cra ... s-76219862
You may well be right, I've no idea why the boring time-waster didn't do it while he had the option. I think his wall talk was all hot air myself, designed to get the vote out and let Bannon skim money off thefundraising.

But you're losing 1,500 Americans a day, every day, to Trump's Pandemic and you're more concerned about a one-off crash killing 13 people? Is the pandemic just an irrelevance to you? I'd be more bothered about when the deaths to Covid will reach double figures if it were me. I'll be surprised if it ever gets there in America. You've lost more people to Covid in one year than died in the whole of World War Two in all the war theaters, and spent eight times the cost in real terms. In just one year. And nobody thinks that death toll was avoidable? Half a million Americans, under Trump's watch? Nobody wants so much as a public enquiry?

As for the fossil fuels, by all means create a strategic reserve for moments of crisis - just stop using it the rest of the time. Nobody could criticize squirrelling some aside for a rainy day.
I am very bothered by all the people dying from this virus but we don't need the additional problem of the mess that the new administration has got at our southern border.
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Hope6 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:09 pm I am very bothered by all the people dying from this virus but we don't need the additional problem of the mess that the new administration has got at our southern border.
It's a bit like your focusing on the one-off crash killing 13 people. The border problem is a flea-bite compared with Trump's Pandemic. The border problem isn't even one of people queueing at or trickling across the border. Choosing to keep them out rather than welcoming them with open arms is the problem, it's just plain sinful. They're human. Why they want to become American beats me, but they'd improve the country no end if you just gave each of them a passport.
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spot wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm
Hope6 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:09 pm I am very bothered by all the people dying from this virus but we don't need the additional problem of the mess that the new administration has got at our southern border.
It's a bit like your focusing on the one-off crash killing 13 people. The border problem is a flea-bite compared with Trump's Pandemic. The border problem isn't even one of people queueing at or trickling across the border. Choosing to keep them out rather than welcoming them with open arms is the problem, it's just plain sinful. They're human. Why they want to become American beats me, but they'd improve the country no end if you just gave each of them a passport.
It's not Trump's pandemic. How can you blame one person for a disease? It always seems that whatever is going on always gets blamed on the president at the time. My mom to this day refers to the great depression as Hoover's times.

and Spot being an American myself I take issue with that, Why they want to become American beats me, line! :x
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Hope6 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:56 pm
spot wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm
Hope6 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:09 pm I am very bothered by all the people dying from this virus but we don't need the additional problem of the mess that the new administration has got at our southern border.
It's a bit like your focusing on the one-off crash killing 13 people. The border problem is a flea-bite compared with Trump's Pandemic. The border problem isn't even one of people queueing at or trickling across the border. Choosing to keep them out rather than welcoming them with open arms is the problem, it's just plain sinful. They're human. Why they want to become American beats me, but they'd improve the country no end if you just gave each of them a passport.
It's not Trump's pandemic. How can you blame one person for a disease? It always seems that whatever is going on always gets blamed on the president at the time. My mom to this day refers to the great depression as Hoover's times.

and Spot being an American myself I take issue with that, Why they want to become American beats me, line! :x
The label "Trump's Pandemic" isn't blame for the disease, it's blame for the half million deaths in America. It's an unforgivable scandal that so many Americans have died and it's entirely due to the President's attitude for the year he oversaw his administration's responses. We're on top of it, it's going away by Easter, it's not a problem? Not wearing masks as a political statement? There are entire books out there saying what he got wrong, of course it's Trump's Pandemic. In England it's Boris Johnson's Pandemic for the same reason, both leaders totally failed to create an adequate response.
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Brigstowe isn't a place.
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magentaflame wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:59 pm Brigstowe isn't a place.
I'm sure it was when I was born there. Stowe is old English for "place", the common word for a wharf or bridge was brigge, and the Anglo-Saxon port grew around that. The Romans built a wharf a couple of miles closer to the sea but that was too wide to bridge the Avon, so the junction with the Frome was the natural location for somewhere more commercial.
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I looked it up. And the only thing I could find was a building called Brigstowe that takes care of HIV infected people. Not even any tourist info.

I'm sorry but you must be in a parallel universe because you don't exist in mine apparently.
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magentaflame wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:48 pm I looked it up. And the only thing I could find was a building called Brigstowe that takes care of HIV infected people. Not even any tourist info.

I'm sorry but you must be in a parallel universe because you don't exist in mine apparently.
I suspect you're in the right location. It's a very old play on words, I believe.
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magentaflame wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:48 pm I looked it up. And the only thing I could find was a building called Brigstowe that takes care of HIV infected people. Not even any tourist info.

I'm sorry but you must be in a parallel universe because you don't exist in mine apparently.
If you look closely, the building is situated less then two miles from the junction of the Frome and the Avon. I was a volunteer at one of their founder agencies a long time ago.
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Hope6 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:38 pm
magentaflame wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:06 pm
Hope6 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:53 pm
spot wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:14 pm Stopping people from selling fossil fuels is top of my agenda too, Hope.

Are you suggesting gas pipe workers are too dim to get a job doing something socially useful?

Or are you bothered by a different industry? Who is going to become unemployable, in your opinion?

When all the new Artificial Intelligence boxes get deployed, then you'll really see large-scale unemployability. Would you like to blame that on socialism?

In my working lifetime I've seen various industries entirely disappear. Nobody in their right mind would want any of them back. Do you really want telephone receptionists answering your call, or putting your long distance call through to a subscriber in another city? And in twenty years, when AI surgery has a lower mortality than human surgeons, or radiographers get lower scores than AI radiography analysis, are you going to complain when those professions disappear too?
My farming business depends very highly on fossil fuels. I haven't heard yet about anyone building any electric tractors.
Don't listen to him Hope...farming is not going to be depleted. And everyone is finding that out because of the pandemic. Farming practices though are changing.
You're right! If people want to eat they'll have to look to a farmer. :D
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tude dog wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:01 pm
Hope6 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:38 pm
magentaflame wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:06 pm
Hope6 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:53 pm
spot wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:14 pm Stopping people from selling fossil fuels is top of my agenda too, Hope.

Are you suggesting gas pipe workers are too dim to get a job doing something socially useful?

Or are you bothered by a different industry? Who is going to become unemployable, in your opinion?

When all the new Artificial Intelligence boxes get deployed, then you'll really see large-scale unemployability. Would you like to blame that on socialism?

In my working lifetime I've seen various industries entirely disappear. Nobody in their right mind would want any of them back. Do you really want telephone receptionists answering your call, or putting your long distance call through to a subscriber in another city? And in twenty years, when AI surgery has a lower mortality than human surgeons, or radiographers get lower scores than AI radiography analysis, are you going to complain when those professions disappear too?
My farming business depends very highly on fossil fuels. I haven't heard yet about anyone building any electric tractors.
Don't listen to him Hope...farming is not going to be depleted. And everyone is finding that out because of the pandemic. Farming practices though are changing.
You're right! If people want to eat they'll have to look to a farmer. :D
Need truck drivers to deliver it to a store near you. Most people drive cars to their store.

Perfect. There's the gas pipe workers all re-employed, and electric vehicles to cut the Carbon Dioxide emissions. Two birds with one stone. All you really need after that is to rebuild the major roads somehow to get rid of the congestion.
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As a mother I found this heartbreaking. I wonder how many more have been left out there that weren't found. All our open border policy is doing is making the smugglers rich and putting other people in particular the children in danger.



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Hope6 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:32 pm As a mother I found this heartbreaking. I wonder how many more have been left out there that weren't found. All our open border policy is doing is making the smugglers rich and putting other people in particular the children in danger.



https://nypost.com/2021/06/01/smugglers ... as-border/

Is it not the closed border policy which creates people smugglers?

If there was in fact an open border, who would need to pay a people smuggler?

The way you can tell that there is no open border policy today is that people smugglers exist today. That's how you can tell that anyone saying an open border policy exists today is lying, just by what the words mean.
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spot wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:12 pm
Hope6 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:32 pm As a mother I found this heartbreaking. I wonder how many more have been left out there that weren't found. All our open border policy is doing is making the smugglers rich and putting other people in particular the children in danger.



https://nypost.com/2021/06/01/smugglers ... as-border/

Is it not the closed border policy which creates people smugglers?

If there was in fact an open border, who would need to pay a people smuggler?

The way you can tell that there is no open border policy today is that people smugglers exist today. That's how you can tell that anyone saying an open border policy exists today is lying, just by what the words mean.
It's kind of like an open border without admitting it's an open border. All the people have to do is make it to the border and they're letting them in.
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If Trump was still president this wouldn't be happening!

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you notice that in that whole CNN story they never say that these hackers are based in Russia!
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Hope6 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:06 pm
spot wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:12 pm
Hope6 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:32 pm As a mother I found this heartbreaking. I wonder how many more have been left out there that weren't found. All our open border policy is doing is making the smugglers rich and putting other people in particular the children in danger.



https://nypost.com/2021/06/01/smugglers ... as-border/

Is it not the closed border policy which creates people smugglers?

If there was in fact an open border, who would need to pay a people smuggler?

The way you can tell that there is no open border policy today is that people smugglers exist today. That's how you can tell that anyone saying an open border policy exists today is lying, just by what the words mean.
It's kind of like an open border without admitting it's an open border. All the people have to do is make it to the border and they're letting them in.

So who is paying these smugglers you mentioned, and why?
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Hope6 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:11 pm If Trump was still president this wouldn't be happening!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/tech/cyb ... index.html
Um, sorry, but these things were going on while Donny Boy was President, too.
It was in all the papers. Even Fox reported on them.
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I'm just sick at all the stuff that's been going on under this administration it's just to much to keep up with but the mess that was made of the withdrawal from Afghanistan blows my mind. Honestly I don't have the words to express my horror at the road my country is going down with this president, all I know is if this was president Trump they would be trying to impeach him already.

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Hope6 wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:18 am [...] the mess that was made of the withdrawal from Afghanistan blows my mind.

You did, presumably, want all American troops out some day.

America was, after all, entirely in control of Afghanistan for the whole twenty year period. America chose the local government. America trained the entirety of the Afghan armed forces from start to finish. America killed hundreds of thousands of people it claimed were members of an armed Afghan resistance. All your current President did was set a date for withdrawal and stuck to it. How else does an occupying force withdraw its troops?

What you're stuck with is that practically none of the American-trained Afghan armed forces or the regional governors had the slightest intention of killing any more Afghans once the American occupation left the country. One province out of fifty kept shooting at other Afghans, and that province was led by a British-trained Sandhurst-educated officer who is, I presume, now back in Britain after two weeks of continued fighting.

So if, as it appears, most Afghans wanted the result you just watched on your TV: in what way could the withdrawal from Afghanistan have been improved? How could you have achieved a different end result? Surely everyone who did the wrong thing during the withdrawal, from your point of view, was Afghan, not American. What aspect of the twenty year American occupation would you have wanted done differently?
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Hope6 wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:18 am I'm just sick at all the stuff that's been going on under this administration it's just to much to keep up with but the mess that was made of the withdrawal from Afghanistan blows my mind. Honestly I don't have the words to express my horror at the road my country is going down with this president, all I know is if this was president Trump they would be trying to impeach him already.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... my/619764/
Trump had already set the date for the Withdrawal (although I very much doubt he would have gone through with it, knowing his record of telling the truth). All Biden has done has been to keep to that commitment. I do, however, feel the Evacuation was poorly administered.
What is ironic now is that America doesn't want responsibility for any of the Refugees.
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spot wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:20 pm
Hope6 wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:18 am [...] the mess that was made of the withdrawal from Afghanistan blows my mind.

You did, presumably, want all American troops out some day.

America was, after all, entirely in control of Afghanistan for the whole twenty year period. America chose the local government. America trained the entirety of the Afghan armed forces from start to finish. America killed hundreds of thousands of people it claimed were members of an armed Afghan resistance. All your current President did was set a date for withdrawal and stuck to it. How else does an occupying force withdraw its troops?

What you're stuck with is that practically none of the American-trained Afghan armed forces or the regional governors had the slightest intention of killing any more Afghans once the American occupation left the country. One province out of fifty kept shooting at other Afghans, and that province was led by a British-trained Sandhurst-educated officer who is, I presume, now back in Britain after two weeks of continued fighting.

So if, as it appears, most Afghans wanted the result you just watched on your TV: in what way could the withdrawal from Afghanistan have been improved? How could you have achieved a different end result? Surely everyone who did the wrong thing during the withdrawal, from your point of view, was Afghan, not American. What aspect of the twenty year American occupation would you have wanted done differently?
Anybody with any sense knows you get the civilians out first. and you don't announce the date you're leaving to the enemy! and you keep your promises to those Afghans who helped us that you weren't going to leave them behind to get beheaded or worse. and who leaves a fort with mutiple runways to go to an airport with only one runway?
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FourPart wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:27 pm
Hope6 wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:18 am I'm just sick at all the stuff that's been going on under this administration it's just to much to keep up with but the mess that was made of the withdrawal from Afghanistan blows my mind. Honestly I don't have the words to express my horror at the road my country is going down with this president, all I know is if this was president Trump they would be trying to impeach him already.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... my/619764/
Trump had already set the date for the Withdrawal (although I very much doubt he would have gone through with it, knowing his record of telling the truth). All Biden has done has been to keep to that commitment. I do, however, feel the Evacuation was poorly administered.
What is ironic now is that America doesn't want responsibility for any of the Refugees.
I think Biden should have changed that date, he is President, and I would have made sure all the American citizens and the Afghans who helped us were out then I would pull the troops out.
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Hope6 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:53 am Anybody with any sense knows you get the civilians out first. and you don't announce the date you're leaving to the enemy! and you keep your promises to those Afghans who helped us that you weren't going to leave them behind to get beheaded or worse. and who leaves a fort with mutiple runways to go to an airport with only one runway?
Civilians out first?

There are 30 million civilians in Afghanistan and you want them out first? Where on earth do you want to take them to that isn't Afghanistan?

Or are you claiming only one Afghan in a hundred cooperated with the American occupation forces and you really only wanted a third of a million civilians taken out of Afghanistan first? And where did you propose taking them to?

Or did more than one in a hundred Afghan civilians cooperate with the American occupation forces? I don't think in anyone's wildest dreams anyone proposed that large an evacuation, do you?

Does all this suggest that civilian cooperation with the American occupation forces was a rare event?

And do you really think the decision to abandon the Bagram military airfield was taken by the White House rather than the military?
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Hope6 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:55 am
FourPart wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:27 pm
Hope6 wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:18 am I'm just sick at all the stuff that's been going on under this administration it's just to much to keep up with but the mess that was made of the withdrawal from Afghanistan blows my mind. Honestly I don't have the words to express my horror at the road my country is going down with this president, all I know is if this was president Trump they would be trying to impeach him already.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... my/619764/
Trump had already set the date for the Withdrawal (although I very much doubt he would have gone through with it, knowing his record of telling the truth). All Biden has done has been to keep to that commitment. I do, however, feel the Evacuation was poorly administered.
What is ironic now is that America doesn't want responsibility for any of the Refugees.
I think Biden should have changed that date, he is President, and I would have made sure all the American citizens and the Afghans who helped us were out then I would pull the troops out.
Well, he DID change the date. Trump set a date of May 31, 2021. Biden was forced to extend the date until August.

And, FourPart, We are accepting a lot of the refugees, but we certainly haven't room for 30 million of them.

And, yes, I know, we should have never gone there to begin with.
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LarsMac wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:16 am And, FourPart, We are accepting a lot of the refugees, but we certainly haven't room for 30 million of them.

That's more a political statement than a factual one I suspect. Both the lot and the haven't.
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spot wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:23 am
Hope6 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:53 am Anybody with any sense knows you get the civilians out first. and you don't announce the date you're leaving to the enemy! and you keep your promises to those Afghans who helped us that you weren't going to leave them behind to get beheaded or worse. and who leaves a fort with mutiple runways to go to an airport with only one runway?
Civilians out first?

There are 30 million civilians in Afghanistan and you want them out first? Where on earth do you want to take them to that isn't Afghanistan?

Or are you claiming only one Afghan in a hundred cooperated with the American occupation forces and you really only wanted a third of a million civilians taken out of Afghanistan first? And where did you propose taking them to?

Or did more than one in a hundred Afghan civilians cooperate with the American occupation forces? I don't think in anyone's wildest dreams anyone proposed that large an evacuation, do you?

Does all this suggest that civilian cooperation with the American occupation forces was a rare event?

And do you really think the decision to abandon the Bagram military airfield was taken by the White House rather than the military?
The civilians I'm talking about are those people who worked closely with the military as translators and guides and that sort of thing, who we promised not to leave behind as well as any Americans citizens who were living there.
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