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how about this?

There were 744,313 people homeless in January 2005 according to Homelessness Counts, the first national assessment of the number of homeless people in over a decade. The report was released today by the Homelessness Research Institute of the National Alliance to End Homelessness. This estimate, a compilation of point-in-time counts collected by local Continuums of Care, provides data on every state and community in the country. The data included in the study represent a point in time; therefore the estimate only presents a snapshot of the homelessness problem in the Unites States. Many more people experience homelessness over the course of the year. Despite its limitations, this estimate establishes a baseline for the nation to assess not only whether the number of homeless people is actually increasing or decreasing—something we have had had little objective data on to date―but also for communities to analyze their progress, uncover trends, and to formulate solutions that address the needs of homeless people.

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sunny104;911985 wrote: how about this?

There were 744,313 people homeless in January 2005 according to Homelessness Counts, the first national assessment of the number of homeless people in over a decade. The report was released today by the Homelessness Research Institute of the National Alliance to End Homelessness. This estimate, a compilation of point-in-time counts collected by local Continuums of Care, provides data on every state and community in the country. The data included in the study represent a point in time; therefore the estimate only presents a snapshot of the homelessness problem in the Unites States. Many more people experience homelessness over the course of the year. Despite its limitations, this estimate establishes a baseline for the nation to assess not only whether the number of homeless people is actually increasing or decreasing—something we have had had little objective data on to date―but also for communities to analyze their progress, uncover trends, and to formulate solutions that address the needs of homeless people.




Are there fewer homeless people in mid-winter than at warmer times of the year, do you suppose?

I'm glad someone's tried to make an estimate even if it's not the government. I'll go and read what they wrote in detail, it'll be interesting. Thank you.
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spot;911988 wrote: Are there fewer homeless people in mid-winter than at warmer times of the year, do you suppose?

I'm glad someone's tried to make an estimate even if it's not the government. I'll go and read what they wrote in detail, it'll be interesting. Thank you.


somebody else could probably explain it more eloquently :o but it's common here to have groups (of people) doing things for people rather the government being involved in everything.
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Lon;912013 wrote: Here's a good homeless story.







http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1
That's stupid to buy new vehicles and pedigreed dogs and live that close to catastrophe. The several grand she likely paid for those dogs, and cutting back on the lifestyle she apparently enjoyed, could have started a nice nest egg. I don't have much pity for people that live beyond their means.
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Here, for comparison, is Scotland's experience:Last week, a total of 39 people were recorded sleeping rough on Edinburgh's streets, compared with 23 in 2007 and eight in 2006.

Scotland does not conduct official counts of rough sleepers on a regular basis – despite a pledge by ministers to eradicate the need to sleep rough by 2003. A spokeswoman for the Scottish Government was unable to disclose how many rough sleepers there are in Scotland. The best indicator housing officers have is the number of people who go to their local councils for emergency accommodation and report that they slept rough the night before.

The spokeswoman added: "Official statistics published in 2007 showed that the average number of people per month who say they slept rough the night before applying as homeless for the whole of Scotland from April 2005 to March 2006 was 329. The figure for Edinburgh was 60 for this time period." She added: "The Scottish Government has committed to providing settled accommodation to all unintentionally homeless people by 2012."

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Fears ... 4229325.jp

Searching "rough sleepers" or "sleeping rough" news articles on Google hits nothing at all published in the USA, not even the concept is discussed there.

Edinburgh is Scotland's capital city, it has a population of a half million and it's 55 degrees north of the equator.
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rjwould;917276 wrote: Thats where you have it all screwed up. You think people are looking for your pity? Nobody wants or expects pity from elitists, however, a little understanding through (whats that thing you claim to have?) empathy can go a long way.
Empathy is not sympathy, which is apparently where you have it screwed up. I'm not in her situation precisely because I can see beyond now and live within my means.



Just like you! :-6



The difference is that I'm not so full of myself that I think I am more able or capable than the average American. She could have done the same as you and I if she had just stopped indulging herself.



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Would anyone like the figure for Tasmania? Tasmania counts their rough sleepers.
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rjwould;917276 wrote: Thats where you have it all screwed up. You think people are looking for your pity? Nobody wants or expects pity from elitists, however, a little understanding through (whats that thing you claim to have?) empathy can go a long way.


Accountable;917396 wrote: Empathy is not sympathy, which is apparently where you have it screwed up. I'm not in her situation precisely because I can see beyond now and live within my means.



Just like you! :-6



The difference is that I'm not so full of myself that I think I am more able or capable than the average American. She could have done the same as you and I if she had just stopped indulging herself.



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So I take it you agree with me, RJ?
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There's close to 400 rough sleepers in the whole of Tasmania, since you asked.
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A quick update on this from a US charity who appear to be doing a great job of helping the homeless :- https://startsleeping.org/homeless-sleep/ From their figures the homeless count in the US is slowly dropping, down by a hundred thousand in the past ten years, and that the rough sleeper count is approximately half the total homeless. Also included is a useful directory of shelters and resources to help the homeless.
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By contrast, the increase in the UK rough sleeper figure over the duration of just this thread is shameful, and entirely a consequence of Conservative party policies enacted under Cameron and May. At the very least there's been a ten-fold increase and it's clearly apparent walking around even small towns these days.
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The UK figures, as with all Government statistics, can be misleading. The number of people sleeping rough has more than tripled. That is the number the Government WANT you to see. The figure they DON'T want you to see is far higher, and that is those who are classed as homeless, but living in Temporary Accommodation. That figure, as Spot says, has increased by at least a factor of 10 - more like 15. The primary cause for Homelessness in the UK is that of the all in one Universal Credit - the welfare benefit that is supposed to combine 6 benefits into one. In theory it is a good thing, but the entire implementation of it is so flawed it's ridiculous. It was piloted in a few areas & the problems immediately became elf evident, but rather than fixing the problems, or put it on hold whilst they sorted out the problems they continued to roll it out gradually across the country. The theoretical side of UC is that you only need to fill in a single form. The problem is that because the form covers so many variables there are too many conflicting areas. It is designed to get the claimant used to Monthly payments, so it can take 5 - 10 weeks before getting any money - by which time many Private Landlords will have evicted their tenants for non payment of rent. Then comes the most corrupt part of it on the side of the Government. The theory of UC is that you can still continue to claim whilst you work in order to supplement your income. Not a problem in that, but if you declare as much as 1 hour's work in any fortnightly signing period you are classed as 'In Work". Furthermore, you can have your benefits sanctioned / stopped at the drop of a hat - even for missing an appointment because you were attending a Job Interview. Once you are no longer in receipt of benefits you are also classed as "In Work". There are also the famous "Fit For Work" tests. These are done by an Administrator following a checklist. They are technically called "Health Specialists", but have no Medical training whatsoever. If you have previously been in receipt of an Incapacity Benefit you can summarily have this stopped unless you fit the very limited criteria on the checklist. The 'examination', incidentally, takes about half an hour. There have literally been incidents where people have been deemed "Fit For Work" & have died on their way out. Needless to say, once they have been deemed as "Fit For Work" and are found not to be actively seeking employment (which can be a problem if you're bedbound) once again you get your benefits stopped, and you miraculously become classed as "In Work". Now, if you were to believe Theresa May's rhetoric in Prime Minister's Questions each week you might think that UC is really working, as we have record levels of people who are "In Work". Once you understand what "In Work" means, though, it takes on a totally different, and far more sinister perspective. If you get the chance, watch the film "I, Daniel Blake". It's a low budget film, and the acting isn't really that brilliant, but the detail in it is superb. It is an exact representation of how the system works (or fails to work). The Government condemned it as a work of "Pure Fiction". Yes, of course it's fiction, but it is based on the factual experiences of thousands. Bear in mind that we currently have a Government in power that has caused the UN to send an Independent Special Rapporteur into the infliction of poverty to the most vulnerable in UK society. The report was damning, and even stated that the Government is in denial about how things are. Needless to say, the Government denies this. And this is a Government that feels it is so important to waste its time debating whether or not the Leader of the Opposition mouthed the words "Stupid Woman", as they claim, or "Stupid People", as he says. The whole thing is farcical.

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