Mr. Obama promised change, he promised an end to lobbyists calling the shots in Washington; he promised us a lot.
One group he promised things to is being repaid.
On January 30, 2009, President Obama signed an executive order that makes it harder for contractors doing business with the government to get that business if they are not unionized, in other words harder to discourage unionization of their businesses.
This was done to “help the middle class” as if there was no one in the middle class who was not in a union. What they did not say of course is that it will also raise costs to the federal government, perhaps discourage people from seeking these contracts and raise costs for the employers.
It was really done as payback to the unions who were among Obama’s biggest supporters during the campaign. No influence from lobbyists, remember, change, remember.
Aw shucks, politicians really are alike and I was trying so hard to be a believer.
What our friends on the left fail to realize is that it is employers who create jobs, not unions and making it easier for businesses to grow, to start up and to survive is far more important than if they are unionized, and yikes it may help stimulate the economy.
If an employer is unfair, or mistreats workers, it should not be hard for a union to makes its case to workers without the mandate of the federal government.
I am not anti union per se. I mean just look at how helpful the union is at General Motors.
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QUINNSCOMMENTARY;1123464 wrote: Mr. Obama promised change, he promised an end to lobbyists calling the shots in Washington; he promised us a lot.
One group he promised things to is being repaid.
On January 30, 2009, President Obama signed an executive order that makes it harder for contractors doing business with the government to get that business if they are not unionized, in other words harder to discourage unionization of their businesses.
This was done to “help the middle class as if there was no one in the middle class who was not in a union. What they did not say of course is that it will also raise costs to the federal government, perhaps discourage people from seeking these contracts and raise costs for the employers.
It was really done as payback to the unions who were among Obama’s biggest supporters during the campaign. No influence from lobbyists, remember, change, remember.
Aw shucks, politicians really are alike and I was trying so hard to be a believer.
What our friends on the left fail to realize is that it is employers who create jobs, not unions and making it easier for businesses to grow, to start up and to survive is far more important that if they are unionized, and yikes it may help stimulate the economy.
If an employer is unfair, or mistreats workers, it should not be hard for a union to makes its case to workers without the mandate of the federal government.
I am not anti union per se. I mean just look at how helpful the union is at General Motors.
Keep them coming Quinn. You are right on top of what's going on. Sooner of later people will start to realize this is not a good thing, but then the problem will be how to undo it.......................
One group he promised things to is being repaid.
On January 30, 2009, President Obama signed an executive order that makes it harder for contractors doing business with the government to get that business if they are not unionized, in other words harder to discourage unionization of their businesses.
This was done to “help the middle class as if there was no one in the middle class who was not in a union. What they did not say of course is that it will also raise costs to the federal government, perhaps discourage people from seeking these contracts and raise costs for the employers.
It was really done as payback to the unions who were among Obama’s biggest supporters during the campaign. No influence from lobbyists, remember, change, remember.
Aw shucks, politicians really are alike and I was trying so hard to be a believer.
What our friends on the left fail to realize is that it is employers who create jobs, not unions and making it easier for businesses to grow, to start up and to survive is far more important that if they are unionized, and yikes it may help stimulate the economy.
If an employer is unfair, or mistreats workers, it should not be hard for a union to makes its case to workers without the mandate of the federal government.
I am not anti union per se. I mean just look at how helpful the union is at General Motors.
Keep them coming Quinn. You are right on top of what's going on. Sooner of later people will start to realize this is not a good thing, but then the problem will be how to undo it.......................
"Out, damned spot! out, I say!"
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My brother is union and I come from a pro union family so yeah it is insulting Quinn when you post anti union crap.
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qsducks;1123474 wrote: My brother is union and I come from a pro union family so yeah it is insulting Quinn when you post anti union crap.
This bill disrupts a fair bidding process by handicapping non-union companies.
It would be equally unfair if the bill favored non-union over union.
The question to ask is "Does this bill help the middle class?" If it does not, why was it created?
This bill disrupts a fair bidding process by handicapping non-union companies.
It would be equally unfair if the bill favored non-union over union.
The question to ask is "Does this bill help the middle class?" If it does not, why was it created?
"Out, damned spot! out, I say!"
- William Shakespeare, Macbeth, 5.1
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I'd rather have union labor doing a bridge and at least it would get done right rather then some unskilled workers coming in and doing it.
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JAB;1123899 wrote: So you think the only skilled workers are in unions? You've got to be kidding me?
Read what Jester said - the bridge is 27 BILLION dollars over budget and it's still not built! You call that "skilled"??
Chill out! I was referring to immigrants who come into this country with zero skills and then expect work. My hubs is a licensed plumber both in our state and the city. And yes, plenty of peeps are skilled in what they do. I just am not into union bashing.
Read what Jester said - the bridge is 27 BILLION dollars over budget and it's still not built! You call that "skilled"??
Chill out! I was referring to immigrants who come into this country with zero skills and then expect work. My hubs is a licensed plumber both in our state and the city. And yes, plenty of peeps are skilled in what they do. I just am not into union bashing.
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JAB;1123927 wrote: As an immigrant to the US, where my father toiled in a dirty factory, I think I may be insulted. It was a non-union family owned factory that gave him a job because of his work ethic. It was this same factory that gave my mom a job after he passed away. Would a union shop have done this? I doubt it. If you want to consider that 'union bashing', so be it.
I will consider it union bashing. That is your problem. The repubs love to bash the unions. So whatever!!!!:mad:
I will consider it union bashing. That is your problem. The repubs love to bash the unions. So whatever!!!!:mad:
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Jester;1123923 wrote: This may surpise you but I know many highly skilled NON union construction workers.
I hire them to do the jobs I want and I hold them to a high standard, and I'm willing to pay them a premium price. But I have a hard time with the level of competence of some Union workers that did the last two buildings I project managed. OH MY GOD what shabby work.
I dont want a 2 billion dollar bridge for 37 Billion dollars. You think its good to go into cost over run with vast amounts of tax dollars becasue it supports the Unions?
That just makes me think the Unions are so far out of touch with reality its not even funny- but wait- they have Obama bought and paid for (with our tax dollars) so I guess they can exthort the american tax payer all they want.
Don't worry, our kids and grand kids can pay for it. :rolleyes:
Most peeps hire non union to do work in their homes. Unions mainly do work on big buildings & alot of it is in the cities. A premium price...what's that? The going national $7.00 bucks an hour. How generous of you. My hubs is non union btw but my daughter is union & so is my family. I hope your hiring licensed contractors, union or non union.
I hire them to do the jobs I want and I hold them to a high standard, and I'm willing to pay them a premium price. But I have a hard time with the level of competence of some Union workers that did the last two buildings I project managed. OH MY GOD what shabby work.
I dont want a 2 billion dollar bridge for 37 Billion dollars. You think its good to go into cost over run with vast amounts of tax dollars becasue it supports the Unions?
That just makes me think the Unions are so far out of touch with reality its not even funny- but wait- they have Obama bought and paid for (with our tax dollars) so I guess they can exthort the american tax payer all they want.
Don't worry, our kids and grand kids can pay for it. :rolleyes:
Most peeps hire non union to do work in their homes. Unions mainly do work on big buildings & alot of it is in the cities. A premium price...what's that? The going national $7.00 bucks an hour. How generous of you. My hubs is non union btw but my daughter is union & so is my family. I hope your hiring licensed contractors, union or non union.
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Jester;1123977 wrote: The last contractor I hired was a non union electirican, and I offered him half the union price (wages) he gladly accepted, I gave him $46/hour and I bought materials through him, and saved about 12% off the local price.
I have managed 4 large building projects, the last one was finished under budget and ahead of time. I used non union labor everywhere I could. I even had to hire Non Union workers to repairthe damage the Union guys refused to fix to my satisfaction.
Ducks, I get ya, I get that your pro union because you probably think they kept your hubby working and in health insurance etc. But I bet you, had you been a small time operation by yourself you'd have made MORE money, managed everythign on your own and done better for yourself than if you stayed in the Union. If your hubs is a consientious union man, then my hats off to him, but not all the unions are good anymore.
I never understood the practice of givin part of your wages for someone else to manage your affairs. I've always wanted to do it on my own and take my chances on only my own reputation and work ethic. All it takes is one lazy, bad union worker to ruin it for a whole group, and once its gone its hard to get it back.
thank you Jester or Mr. V. Hubs is not union, but daughter & my family are. And I agree on some unions are not great...the carpenter's union is full of crap. Most other unions call them whores because they think they can do any kind of work, whcih they can't. Can't even tell you the amount of work my brother gets for work done by carpenters who screwed up a simple stone job.:wah:
I have managed 4 large building projects, the last one was finished under budget and ahead of time. I used non union labor everywhere I could. I even had to hire Non Union workers to repairthe damage the Union guys refused to fix to my satisfaction.
Ducks, I get ya, I get that your pro union because you probably think they kept your hubby working and in health insurance etc. But I bet you, had you been a small time operation by yourself you'd have made MORE money, managed everythign on your own and done better for yourself than if you stayed in the Union. If your hubs is a consientious union man, then my hats off to him, but not all the unions are good anymore.
I never understood the practice of givin part of your wages for someone else to manage your affairs. I've always wanted to do it on my own and take my chances on only my own reputation and work ethic. All it takes is one lazy, bad union worker to ruin it for a whole group, and once its gone its hard to get it back.
thank you Jester or Mr. V. Hubs is not union, but daughter & my family are. And I agree on some unions are not great...the carpenter's union is full of crap. Most other unions call them whores because they think they can do any kind of work, whcih they can't. Can't even tell you the amount of work my brother gets for work done by carpenters who screwed up a simple stone job.:wah:
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JAB;1123989 wrote: No it's not my problem and I'm not republican. I was raised in a non-union Democratic family. My grandfather would turn over in his grave if he knew I was a registered Independent. Your 'unskilled immigrant workers' comment hurt.
Sorry about that comment, but when immigrants come into this country, I want them licensed and insured to work and not some hacks and believe me their are plenty of them. Immigrants & Americans.
Sorry about that comment, but when immigrants come into this country, I want them licensed and insured to work and not some hacks and believe me their are plenty of them. Immigrants & Americans.
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qsducks;1123474 wrote: My brother is union and I come from a pro union family so yeah it is insulting Quinn when you post anti union crap.
I am not anti union and my post was not anti union, my post was anti government helping to force people into unions and helping to make us less competitive in the process. And the reason they do so is not to help workers but to help unions and the leaders who support the democratic party, it's just that simple.
Unions have their place, I was a union member at one time, I negotiate with many unions and have great respect for many of the union leaders, on the other hand union leaders who are not innovative, who do not understand the new world environment of commerce, who file grievances by the thousands for no good reason, who hamper change are detrimental to the US and to the workers they represent.
The simple fact is that in the case of the auto workers, the union is one of the primary factors for their problems, not the only one but a major one. They simply failed to adapt to a changing world and in the long run did no favor for their members.
Unions are political organizations and their leaders respond just like any politician. Unions build luxurious offices and buildings (and yes, I have been in them) just like big corporations, union leaders go to high living conferences in nice places (and yes, I have been there) they misuse union dues, they mismanage pension and welfare funds, some of the leaders drive big fancy cars. In short, they are mirrors of corporations, except they do all that with workers dues.
Unions can and do add value in many instances and many workers need responsible representation, but the key is responsible. Just like you need responsbile management who also has its fair share of jerks.
I am not anti union and my post was not anti union, my post was anti government helping to force people into unions and helping to make us less competitive in the process. And the reason they do so is not to help workers but to help unions and the leaders who support the democratic party, it's just that simple.
Unions have their place, I was a union member at one time, I negotiate with many unions and have great respect for many of the union leaders, on the other hand union leaders who are not innovative, who do not understand the new world environment of commerce, who file grievances by the thousands for no good reason, who hamper change are detrimental to the US and to the workers they represent.
The simple fact is that in the case of the auto workers, the union is one of the primary factors for their problems, not the only one but a major one. They simply failed to adapt to a changing world and in the long run did no favor for their members.
Unions are political organizations and their leaders respond just like any politician. Unions build luxurious offices and buildings (and yes, I have been in them) just like big corporations, union leaders go to high living conferences in nice places (and yes, I have been there) they misuse union dues, they mismanage pension and welfare funds, some of the leaders drive big fancy cars. In short, they are mirrors of corporations, except they do all that with workers dues.
Unions can and do add value in many instances and many workers need responsible representation, but the key is responsible. Just like you need responsbile management who also has its fair share of jerks.
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qsducks;1123888 wrote: I'd rather have union labor doing a bridge and at least it would get done right rather then some unskilled workers coming in and doing it.
Isn't' the real key getting the right skilled and competent people, rather than if they are union or non union
Isn't' the real key getting the right skilled and competent people, rather than if they are union or non union
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