Chezzie;1135424 wrote: One thing that made me mad was seeing that the media had got them to pose for the pics with the baby whilst they were holding playstation controls...How mean is that, you just know it was all set up to make them look bad.
Absolutely. No different to my spot of trouble where every hack wanted the pics to be of me by the memorial cross and the poppiesfor maximum impact. The lad is too young to know what hacks are like and his parents are probably too thick to realise.
They definately got the money shot there with the playstation.
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oscar;1135420 wrote: The hard-hearted will say 'well, he'll get over it as he's just a boy'. I don't think he will and it may make him dis-trust everything around him.
My nephew has spent months preparing for his baby now due in 7 weeks. He has decorated the room at the girls mothers house, bought baby clothes out of his pocket money, got himself a little part time job etc and i know he would be devastated if he were told there was a possibility he was not the father.
3 very different baby story's top our FG news today eh.
Well all the power to the young children who have babies. I wish them well, I want to say maybe our youth could take a lesson from Nadya 8 babies, how things could turn out. Or a lesson from any couple on relationships what does babies at such a young age do to relationships present and future, jobs, education, etc....
At 15 your entire furture is ahead of you....
My nephew has spent months preparing for his baby now due in 7 weeks. He has decorated the room at the girls mothers house, bought baby clothes out of his pocket money, got himself a little part time job etc and i know he would be devastated if he were told there was a possibility he was not the father.
3 very different baby story's top our FG news today eh.
Well all the power to the young children who have babies. I wish them well, I want to say maybe our youth could take a lesson from Nadya 8 babies, how things could turn out. Or a lesson from any couple on relationships what does babies at such a young age do to relationships present and future, jobs, education, etc....
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flopstock;1135428 wrote: My actual first thought, before being distracted- was that two kids chose to deal with the situation the hard way... they could have aborted and the public would have been none the wiser..I may be mistaken but I had the impression that the girl told nobody - including not telling the lad - until her mother asked why she was changing shape so blatantly. I doubt very much whether abortion was an option by that stage.
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minks;1135431 wrote: 3 very different baby story's top our FG news today eh.
Well all the power to the young children who have babies. I wish them well, I want to say maybe our youth could take a lesson from Nadya 8 babies, how things could turn out. Or a lesson from any couple on relationships what does babies at such a young age do to relationships present and future, jobs, education, etc....
At 15 your entire furture is ahead of you.... I do agree with what your saying that their whole future is ahead of them. We have another one in the press this week who is still a teenager, expecting triplets and already had two children. She was pictured with her dumb mother looking on grinning. Now that, i call ridiculous.
In this country, where a generous benifit system will help the young parents, there is nothing to stop them carrying on with their lives and the baby being a burden. They can still be educated and go on to get full time work, a career and everything else they would without a baby.
Well all the power to the young children who have babies. I wish them well, I want to say maybe our youth could take a lesson from Nadya 8 babies, how things could turn out. Or a lesson from any couple on relationships what does babies at such a young age do to relationships present and future, jobs, education, etc....
At 15 your entire furture is ahead of you.... I do agree with what your saying that their whole future is ahead of them. We have another one in the press this week who is still a teenager, expecting triplets and already had two children. She was pictured with her dumb mother looking on grinning. Now that, i call ridiculous.
In this country, where a generous benifit system will help the young parents, there is nothing to stop them carrying on with their lives and the baby being a burden. They can still be educated and go on to get full time work, a career and everything else they would without a baby.
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I think everyone should be allowed to have one baby that the state will help with, e.g. family allowance. I dont mean free flat and benefits for everything. Any child anyone wants to have after their first born, they pay for it themselves with no help from the government. That might stop em:D
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Chezzie;1135441 wrote: I think everyone should be allowed to have one baby that the state will help with, e.g. family allowance. I dont mean free flat and benefits for everything. Any child anyone wants to have after their first born, they pay for it themselves with no help from the government. That might stop em:D
Or? if it doesn't and they have no resources? How do you avoid starved dead children?
Or? if it doesn't and they have no resources? How do you avoid starved dead children?
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flopstock;1135428 wrote: My actual first thought, before being distracted- was that two kids chose to deal with the situation the hard way... they could have aborted and the public would have been none the wiser..
I think adults have a hard time appreciating that there was another option.. at least over here there is.
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Maybe you would have considered abortion but the parents may find the idea as repulsive as i do. It's down to personal choice. No-one is in any position to tell any mother to abort. I don't care if the girl was 7 years old, she obviousley decided not to abort and maybe did not tell her parents until it was too late under the fear that she may be forced to abort from people who think as you do.
From what you have written, you are saying that if she aborted the baby, the press may not have found out. Would the press not finding out be reason to end the life of a child? I think not.
I think adults have a hard time appreciating that there was another option.. at least over here there is.
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Maybe you would have considered abortion but the parents may find the idea as repulsive as i do. It's down to personal choice. No-one is in any position to tell any mother to abort. I don't care if the girl was 7 years old, she obviousley decided not to abort and maybe did not tell her parents until it was too late under the fear that she may be forced to abort from people who think as you do.
From what you have written, you are saying that if she aborted the baby, the press may not have found out. Would the press not finding out be reason to end the life of a child? I think not.
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Chezzie;1135441 wrote: I think everyone should be allowed to have one baby that the state will help with, e.g. family allowance. I dont mean free flat and benefits for everything. Any child anyone wants to have after their first born, they pay for it themselves with no help from the government. That might stop em:DSomebody suggested on a programme that it should be after 2 children Chez and the audience seemed to agree.
Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.
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Carolly;1135446 wrote: Somebody suggested on a programme that it should be after 2 children Chez and the audience seemed to agree.
Carol, I did a
after my post as it was tongue in cheek but they may be onto something, who knows:D
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after my post as it was tongue in cheek but they may be onto something, who knows:DBoy of 13 is a Father.
Chezzie;1135447 wrote: Carol, I did a after my post as it was tongue in cheek but they may be onto something, who knows:DOh I know you did:wah: but wanted to tell you it has been suggested but of course will never happen:D;)
after my post as it was tongue in cheek but they may be onto something, who knows:DOh I know you did:wah: but wanted to tell you it has been suggested but of course will never happen:D;)Women are bitchy and predictable ...men are not and that's the key to knowing the truth.
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Chezzie;1135447 wrote: Carol, I did a after my post as it was tongue in cheek but they may be onto something, who knows:D
It's a short extra step to sterilizing gypsies, Jews, immigrants and queers once you get to the point of banning categories of people from getting pregnant and enforcing it. The Western world swore a mighty collective oath after 1945 not to go down that road irrespective of the wishes of any electorate or the pressures of any tabloids.
after my post as it was tongue in cheek but they may be onto something, who knows:DIt's a short extra step to sterilizing gypsies, Jews, immigrants and queers once you get to the point of banning categories of people from getting pregnant and enforcing it. The Western world swore a mighty collective oath after 1945 not to go down that road irrespective of the wishes of any electorate or the pressures of any tabloids.
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oscar;1135445 wrote: Maybe you would have considered abortion but the parents may find the idea as repulsive as i do. It's down to personal choice. No-one is in any position to tell any mother to abort. I don't care if the girl was 7 years old, she obviousley decided not to abort and maybe did not tell her parents until it was too late under the fear that she may be forced to abort from people who think as you do.
From what you have written, you are saying that if she aborted the baby, the press may not have found out. Would the press not finding out be reason to end the life of a child? I think not.
If, instead of interpreting things in a manner that you think gives you a green light to go after me here, how about you consider actually reading and comprehending what I posted before spewing your own judgmental diatribe?:rolleyes:
From what you have written, you are saying that if she aborted the baby, the press may not have found out. Would the press not finding out be reason to end the life of a child? I think not.
If, instead of interpreting things in a manner that you think gives you a green light to go after me here, how about you consider actually reading and comprehending what I posted before spewing your own judgmental diatribe?:rolleyes:
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Chezzie;1135447 wrote: Carol, I did a after my post as it was tongue in cheek but they may be onto something, who knows:D
There is no doubt that in this country, our benifit spend is way out of control. It's also common knowledge that a teenage single mum is going to get a council house and benifits for life even if she continues to have more by a variety of fathers such as karen Matthews.
I don't actually have a problem with that as such. It's good to know that we live in a country where the vulnerable are taken care of even though you will always have those who take advantage of the system.
My problem is with the type that lives up the road from me. Her contribution to her country and fortnightly physical exercise is to bend down and pick the benifit cheque up off the door mat. First priority is to stock up on cheap booze, ciggs and call her dealer. The kids are dirty along with her house. She has never worked from the day she left school and could not even spell the word education.
The government is talking about forcing these mothers back to work but i personally think it's a mad idea when there are people like my neighbour who have no social skills leaving them virtually un-employable.
If you impose the measures that Carolly talked of, ie not funding mothers after two children, then you risk subjecting the genuine into poverty. IE, woman who have had divorce or the husband leave them with the kids. To stop benifit over two children would result in extreme poverty and ultimately it would not be the mother that suffered but the children. that is a stupid idea and certainly would not stop teenage pregnancy.
I more prefer the Tory proposal of issuing food stamps and vouchers for utility bills with single parents to ensure they pay their bills and booze and ciggs are the last items on their list of priorities.
after my post as it was tongue in cheek but they may be onto something, who knows:DThere is no doubt that in this country, our benifit spend is way out of control. It's also common knowledge that a teenage single mum is going to get a council house and benifits for life even if she continues to have more by a variety of fathers such as karen Matthews.
I don't actually have a problem with that as such. It's good to know that we live in a country where the vulnerable are taken care of even though you will always have those who take advantage of the system.
My problem is with the type that lives up the road from me. Her contribution to her country and fortnightly physical exercise is to bend down and pick the benifit cheque up off the door mat. First priority is to stock up on cheap booze, ciggs and call her dealer. The kids are dirty along with her house. She has never worked from the day she left school and could not even spell the word education.
The government is talking about forcing these mothers back to work but i personally think it's a mad idea when there are people like my neighbour who have no social skills leaving them virtually un-employable.
If you impose the measures that Carolly talked of, ie not funding mothers after two children, then you risk subjecting the genuine into poverty. IE, woman who have had divorce or the husband leave them with the kids. To stop benifit over two children would result in extreme poverty and ultimately it would not be the mother that suffered but the children. that is a stupid idea and certainly would not stop teenage pregnancy.
I more prefer the Tory proposal of issuing food stamps and vouchers for utility bills with single parents to ensure they pay their bills and booze and ciggs are the last items on their list of priorities.
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Flops,,, i took your post to mean maybe they should be admired for not taking the easy way out?:)
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flopstock;1135452 wrote: If, instead of interpreting things in a manner that you think gives you a green light to go after me here, how about you consider actually reading and comprehending what I posted before spewing your own judgmental diatribe?:rolleyes:
I see no green light and i have no intention of 'going after you' than anyone else who has posted here. I pointed out that you talk of abortion when no-one else has on this thread.
I see no green light and i have no intention of 'going after you' than anyone else who has posted here. I pointed out that you talk of abortion when no-one else has on this thread.
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kazalala;1135455 wrote: Flops,,, i took your post to mean maybe they should be admired for not taking the easy way out?:)
Thanks Kaz:-4
I was worried for a moment there, that there was language barrier...:rolleyes:
Thanks Kaz:-4
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oscar;1135454 wrote: There is no doubt that in this country, our benifit spend is way out of control. It's also common knowledge that a teenage single mum is going to get a council house and benifits for life even if she continues to have more by a variety of fathers such as karen Matthews.
I don't actually have a problem with that as such. It's good to know that we live in a country where the vulnerable are taken care of even though you will always have those who take advantage of the system.
My problem is with the type that lives up the road from me. Her contribution to her country and fortnightly physical exercise is to bend down and pick the benifit cheque up off the door mat. First priority is to stock up on cheap booze, ciggs and call her dealer. The kids are dirty along with her house. She has never worked from the day she left school and could not even spell the word education.
The government is talking about forcing these mothers back to work but i personally think it's a mad idea when there are people like my neighbour who have no social skills leaving them virtually un-employable.
If you impose the measures that Carolly talked of, ie not funding mothers after two children, then you risk subjecting the genuine into poverty. IE, woman who have had divorce or the husband leave them with the kids. To stop benifit over two children would result in extreme poverty and ultimately it would not be the mother that suffered but the children. that is a stupid idea and certainly would not stop teenage pregnancy.
I more prefer the Tory proposal of issuing food stamps and vouchers for utility bills with single parents to ensure they pay their bills and booze and ciggs are the last items on their list of priorities.
Only way the stamps and vouchers will work is if they are unable to sell them on, either they have their face printed on them (heh heh) or similar, otherwise they will just get sold on for fags and booze and drugs.
I don't actually have a problem with that as such. It's good to know that we live in a country where the vulnerable are taken care of even though you will always have those who take advantage of the system.
My problem is with the type that lives up the road from me. Her contribution to her country and fortnightly physical exercise is to bend down and pick the benifit cheque up off the door mat. First priority is to stock up on cheap booze, ciggs and call her dealer. The kids are dirty along with her house. She has never worked from the day she left school and could not even spell the word education.
The government is talking about forcing these mothers back to work but i personally think it's a mad idea when there are people like my neighbour who have no social skills leaving them virtually un-employable.
If you impose the measures that Carolly talked of, ie not funding mothers after two children, then you risk subjecting the genuine into poverty. IE, woman who have had divorce or the husband leave them with the kids. To stop benifit over two children would result in extreme poverty and ultimately it would not be the mother that suffered but the children. that is a stupid idea and certainly would not stop teenage pregnancy.
I more prefer the Tory proposal of issuing food stamps and vouchers for utility bills with single parents to ensure they pay their bills and booze and ciggs are the last items on their list of priorities.
Only way the stamps and vouchers will work is if they are unable to sell them on, either they have their face printed on them (heh heh) or similar, otherwise they will just get sold on for fags and booze and drugs.
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Chezzie;1135388 wrote: Today another lad has come forward saying he thinks he is the Daddy, and theirs another lad who also thinks he could be the Daddy.
Richard Goodsell: I'm the real daddy, Alfie and I want a DNA test to prove it | News | News Of The World
someone certainly played around alot;)
Richard Goodsell: I'm the real daddy, Alfie and I want a DNA test to prove it | News | News Of The World
someone certainly played around alot;)
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[QUOTE=Chezzie;1135466]Only way the stamps and vouchers will work is if they are unable to sell them on, either they have their face printed on them (heh heh) or similar,
I agree that the administration will be enormous but once it's kicked in, i think it's only a benifit. There are ways round it that the Tory's are aware of and one suggestion is having a reg no. on them similar to an ordinary cheque. They can at least then be traced if they are passed on with it being a criminal offence to sell them on or buy them.
I agree that the administration will be enormous but once it's kicked in, i think it's only a benifit. There are ways round it that the Tory's are aware of and one suggestion is having a reg no. on them similar to an ordinary cheque. They can at least then be traced if they are passed on with it being a criminal offence to sell them on or buy them.
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JAB;1135469 wrote: That was my thinking Chezzie while reading to this point. Would our outrage be as great if he didn't look like he was only 8 years old himself? If he was one that looked older, would we then just say 'it figures'?
Well I still find myself shocked when youngsters get pregnant but it does happen more frequently and yes you do sorta think, oh look another one. Im sure he wouldnt of got AS much media attention if he looked 14 years old Jab.
Well I still find myself shocked when youngsters get pregnant but it does happen more frequently and yes you do sorta think, oh look another one. Im sure he wouldnt of got AS much media attention if he looked 14 years old Jab.
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Chezzie;1135475 wrote: Well I still find myself shocked when youngsters get pregnant but it does happen more frequently and yes you do sorta think, oh look another one. Im sure he wouldnt of got AS much media attention if he looked 14 years old Jab. He might not be the father...... here's the latest:
I will take DNA test, says Alfie as two other teenagers claim they could be father | Mail Online
Reading this...... the parents have set no example have they?
I will take DNA test, says Alfie as two other teenagers claim they could be father | Mail Online
Reading this...... the parents have set no example have they?
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oscar;1135518 wrote: He might not be the father...... here's the latest:
I will take DNA test, says Alfie as two other teenagers claim they could be father | Mail Online
Reading this...... the parents have set no example have they?
see my post 36 in this thread ya narna:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
I will take DNA test, says Alfie as two other teenagers claim they could be father | Mail Online
Reading this...... the parents have set no example have they?
see my post 36 in this thread ya narna:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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Chezzie;1135522 wrote: see my post 36 in this thread ya narna:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
I didn't look did I :yh_rotfl
I didn't look did I :yh_rotfl
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Parents of 13-year-old father Alfie embroiled in tawdry battle to 'make a packet' from scandal | Mail Online
Parents of 13-year-old father Alfie embroiled in tawdry battle to 'make a packet' from scandalBy James Millbank
Last updated at 1:20 PM on 15th February 2009
Comments (94) Add to My Stories The father of the 13-year-old boy dubbed the ‘Babyfather’ yesterday paraded in a devil mask – as he became embroiled in a tawdry battle with his ex-wife to exploit the pitiful case.
The pair are understood to have both struck lucrative media deals, with the boy’s father boasting that he intends to make as much money as possible.
Alfie Patten’s relationship with 15-year-old Chantelle Steadman has prompted a political row about Britain’s moral collapse.
Devil may care: Dennis Patten, father of 13-year-old Alfie Patten, who fathered a baby with a 15-year-old
But as controversy raged, his divorced parents Dennis and Nicola had an unseemly row.
At first, Nicola angrily accused Dennis, 45, of selling their son’s story without her knowledge.
But within 24 hours she was said to be negotiating herself.
Last night it was claimed she had secured a five-figure deal.
Alfie was just 12 when he got Chantelle pregnant. Their baby girl, Maisie Roxanne, was born five days ago.
Dennis is said to have told a reporter: ‘I wish this baby had never been born but it has. Alfie is too young but I have to make the most of it. I’m going to make as much money as I can.’
As he spoke on Friday, his son, who looks no older than eight, was curled up in the back of his father’s car and crying audibly.
Dennis said: ‘I’m taking Alfie to London with me. I want to sell his story because I’ve heard people can get us loads of money for Alfie’s story.
Under cover: The hooded boy leaving Chantelle's home in Eastbourne with a relative yesterday morning
‘It is an attractive story, Alfie is a father and he only looks eight years old! He is really upset but I have told him I will make him a packet.’
Dennis, a father of nine who also has three stepchildren, split from Nicola, 43, two years ago after she caught him having an affair with a 19-year-old.
He has three children with Nicola – Alfie, Joe, 16, and Isabella, 11 – and another son Leyton, 23, by a previous relationship.
Yesterday Alfie arrived home at his mother’s £395,000 home in a cul-de-sac in Hailsham, East Sussex, after spending the night at Chantelle’s parents’ council house in nearby Eastbourne.
His baby and girlfriend were absent after they too struck a deal.
Nicola, who had picked up Alfie and driven him home, rushed the boy inside with his hood pushed up over his face to hide from photographers. Alfie stayed in all day.
Nicola said: ‘It is all very upsetting for us: Alfie hasn’t seen the baby for a day. I am not going to talk because Dennis is doing a deal in London but he will be back later.’
In the background a young boy, believed to be a family friend, shouted: ‘We’ll do it for £100,000 and that’s it, £100,000 and that’s the price.’
However, on Friday Nicola had said: ‘I can’t believe Dennis sold Alfie’s story without telling me.
‘When I looked at The Sun and saw Alfie’s little face staring back at me I almost fainted.
'Dennis has taken advantage of Alfie and Maisie. He called a newspaper yesterday and allowed photographers into the hospital.
'Dennis has told me he has got thousands for Alfie’s story but I don’t know if it is true. He said he told Alfie, “Son, I will make you money” when he got him to pose with Chantelle. He is only a child himself.’
Speaking to Alfie on the phone, Nicola said: ‘You would hate it here, Alfie. There are camera crews everywhere. I hope you are OK. Your dad shouldn’t have done this to you.’
On guard was Alfie’s half-sister Jade, 19. She is also believed to have had a child at 13 and is Nicola’s daughter from another relationship.
Jade said: ‘Dennis is so out of order. Alfie is a scared little boy.’
Meanwhile, there were allegations Chantelle has had three boys staying overnight with her at home in the past few months and a number of boyfriends in the past ten months.
Sean Thomas, 20, claimed: ‘She is not a young innocent girl who got pregnant with the first boy who came along.’
But Chantelle’s mother Penny said: ‘It’s rubbish, Chantelle lost her virginity to Alfie.’
This is absolutely vile and the parents are a disgrace.
Parents of 13-year-old father Alfie embroiled in tawdry battle to 'make a packet' from scandalBy James Millbank
Last updated at 1:20 PM on 15th February 2009
Comments (94) Add to My Stories The father of the 13-year-old boy dubbed the ‘Babyfather’ yesterday paraded in a devil mask – as he became embroiled in a tawdry battle with his ex-wife to exploit the pitiful case.
The pair are understood to have both struck lucrative media deals, with the boy’s father boasting that he intends to make as much money as possible.
Alfie Patten’s relationship with 15-year-old Chantelle Steadman has prompted a political row about Britain’s moral collapse.
Devil may care: Dennis Patten, father of 13-year-old Alfie Patten, who fathered a baby with a 15-year-old
But as controversy raged, his divorced parents Dennis and Nicola had an unseemly row.
At first, Nicola angrily accused Dennis, 45, of selling their son’s story without her knowledge.
But within 24 hours she was said to be negotiating herself.
Last night it was claimed she had secured a five-figure deal.
Alfie was just 12 when he got Chantelle pregnant. Their baby girl, Maisie Roxanne, was born five days ago.
Dennis is said to have told a reporter: ‘I wish this baby had never been born but it has. Alfie is too young but I have to make the most of it. I’m going to make as much money as I can.’
As he spoke on Friday, his son, who looks no older than eight, was curled up in the back of his father’s car and crying audibly.
Dennis said: ‘I’m taking Alfie to London with me. I want to sell his story because I’ve heard people can get us loads of money for Alfie’s story.
Under cover: The hooded boy leaving Chantelle's home in Eastbourne with a relative yesterday morning
‘It is an attractive story, Alfie is a father and he only looks eight years old! He is really upset but I have told him I will make him a packet.’
Dennis, a father of nine who also has three stepchildren, split from Nicola, 43, two years ago after she caught him having an affair with a 19-year-old.
He has three children with Nicola – Alfie, Joe, 16, and Isabella, 11 – and another son Leyton, 23, by a previous relationship.
Yesterday Alfie arrived home at his mother’s £395,000 home in a cul-de-sac in Hailsham, East Sussex, after spending the night at Chantelle’s parents’ council house in nearby Eastbourne.
His baby and girlfriend were absent after they too struck a deal.
Nicola, who had picked up Alfie and driven him home, rushed the boy inside with his hood pushed up over his face to hide from photographers. Alfie stayed in all day.
Nicola said: ‘It is all very upsetting for us: Alfie hasn’t seen the baby for a day. I am not going to talk because Dennis is doing a deal in London but he will be back later.’
In the background a young boy, believed to be a family friend, shouted: ‘We’ll do it for £100,000 and that’s it, £100,000 and that’s the price.’
However, on Friday Nicola had said: ‘I can’t believe Dennis sold Alfie’s story without telling me.
‘When I looked at The Sun and saw Alfie’s little face staring back at me I almost fainted.
'Dennis has taken advantage of Alfie and Maisie. He called a newspaper yesterday and allowed photographers into the hospital.
'Dennis has told me he has got thousands for Alfie’s story but I don’t know if it is true. He said he told Alfie, “Son, I will make you money” when he got him to pose with Chantelle. He is only a child himself.’
Speaking to Alfie on the phone, Nicola said: ‘You would hate it here, Alfie. There are camera crews everywhere. I hope you are OK. Your dad shouldn’t have done this to you.’
On guard was Alfie’s half-sister Jade, 19. She is also believed to have had a child at 13 and is Nicola’s daughter from another relationship.
Jade said: ‘Dennis is so out of order. Alfie is a scared little boy.’
Meanwhile, there were allegations Chantelle has had three boys staying overnight with her at home in the past few months and a number of boyfriends in the past ten months.
Sean Thomas, 20, claimed: ‘She is not a young innocent girl who got pregnant with the first boy who came along.’
But Chantelle’s mother Penny said: ‘It’s rubbish, Chantelle lost her virginity to Alfie.’
This is absolutely vile and the parents are a disgrace.
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flopstock;1135341 wrote: Let's take look back into this thread and see if we can discover together, exactly when finances reared it's ugly fearful AMERICAN OBSESSED head, shall we?
Guilty as charged!
Being of good Irish Peasant stock, I am quite aware that things always need to be paid for, by someone. I also admit that I am quite fond of potatoes and butter, especially with ham and cabbage. Like spot says, loving your children is the absolute best thing you can do for them, but the second involves being able to feed them. The third involves knowing when enough is enough, so no more Wii's or TVs or expensive sports clothes, or any of that crap.
The best things in life are free
But you can keep them for the birds and bees
Just give me money
Thats what I want
That's what I want, oh yeah yeah yeah
Thats what I want.
:yh_rotfl
As a counter argument.
Teach, your children well
Their father's hell, will slowly go by
And feed, them on your dreams
The ones you picked
The ones you know by
Guilty as charged!
Being of good Irish Peasant stock, I am quite aware that things always need to be paid for, by someone. I also admit that I am quite fond of potatoes and butter, especially with ham and cabbage. Like spot says, loving your children is the absolute best thing you can do for them, but the second involves being able to feed them. The third involves knowing when enough is enough, so no more Wii's or TVs or expensive sports clothes, or any of that crap.
The best things in life are free
But you can keep them for the birds and bees
Just give me money
Thats what I want
That's what I want, oh yeah yeah yeah
Thats what I want.
:yh_rotfl
As a counter argument.
Teach, your children well
Their father's hell, will slowly go by
And feed, them on your dreams
The ones you picked
The ones you know by
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally;1135970 wrote: Guilty as charged!
Being of good Irish Peasant stock, I am quite aware that things always need to be paid for, by someone. I also admit that I am quite fond of potatoes and butter, especially with ham and cabbage. Like spot says, loving your children is the absolute best thing you can do for them, but the second involves being able to feed them. The third involves knowing when enough is enough, so no more Wii's or TVs or expensive sports clothes, or any of that crap.
The best things in life are free
But you can keep them for the birds and beesJust give me money
Thats what I want
That's what I want, oh yeah yeah yeah
Thats what I want.
:yh_rotfl
As a counter argument.
Teach, your children well
Their father's hell, will slowly go by
And feed, them on your dreams
The ones you picked
The ones you know by
You really can't get the hang of this lyric thingy can you?
'Money' was covered by The Stones.
The correct lyric is NOT you can KEEP them:
The best things in life are free
Look I'll give 'em to the birds and beesI want money (that's what I want)
Yeah, that's what I want (oh yeah, that's what I want)
That's what I want, oh yeah (that's what I want)
That's what I want (oh yeah, that's what I want)
Never argue with a Stones fan :p:p
Being of good Irish Peasant stock, I am quite aware that things always need to be paid for, by someone. I also admit that I am quite fond of potatoes and butter, especially with ham and cabbage. Like spot says, loving your children is the absolute best thing you can do for them, but the second involves being able to feed them. The third involves knowing when enough is enough, so no more Wii's or TVs or expensive sports clothes, or any of that crap.
The best things in life are free
But you can keep them for the birds and beesJust give me money
Thats what I want
That's what I want, oh yeah yeah yeah
Thats what I want.
:yh_rotfl
As a counter argument.
Teach, your children well
Their father's hell, will slowly go by
And feed, them on your dreams
The ones you picked
The ones you know by
You really can't get the hang of this lyric thingy can you?
'Money' was covered by The Stones.
The correct lyric is NOT you can KEEP them:
The best things in life are free
Look I'll give 'em to the birds and beesI want money (that's what I want)
Yeah, that's what I want (oh yeah, that's what I want)
That's what I want, oh yeah (that's what I want)
That's what I want (oh yeah, that's what I want)
Never argue with a Stones fan :p:p
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Chezzie;1135405 wrote: This thread was created to talk about the boy being a dad at 13. We are not turning into another American thread. If you want to discuss the above, open a new thread for it.
Thank you Chez. Relief comes to mind.
Thank you Chez. Relief comes to mind.
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qsducks;1136662 wrote: Thank you Chez. Relief comes to mind.
I have sympathy for this lad. It looks like he's been used by the girl and his parents. What a suspicious out-look on life this lad is going to have? The people he cares most about have used and abused him. This is our baby who's about to become a father at 15 yrs old in 7 weeks time!!!!!!!
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I have sympathy for this lad. It looks like he's been used by the girl and his parents. What a suspicious out-look on life this lad is going to have? The people he cares most about have used and abused him. This is our baby who's about to become a father at 15 yrs old in 7 weeks time!!!!!!!
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Boy of 13 is a Father.
just not right, not right at all, their babies themselves fgs, parents should have known better....how can anyone expect this is true love and this is going to last?
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oscar;1136674 wrote: I have sympathy for this lad. It looks like he's been used by the girl and his parents. What a suspicious out-look on life this lad is going to have? The people he cares most about have used and abused him. This is our baby who's about to become a father at 15 yrs old in 7 weeks time!!!!!!!
At least he has a great aunt like you to keep him in check. As you've stated before, your nephew is well cared for and has a loving family. Your boy will be fine.
At least he has a great aunt like you to keep him in check. As you've stated before, your nephew is well cared for and has a loving family. Your boy will be fine.
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Odie;1136681 wrote: just not right, not right at all, their babies themselves fgs, parents should have known better....how can anyone expect this is true love and this is going to last?
:-5:-5:-5:-5
In my nephews case....... because his father was 15 years old when Craig was born!!!!!!!!
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In my nephews case....... because his father was 15 years old when Craig was born!!!!!!!!
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oscar;1136707 wrote: In my nephews case....... because his father was 15 years old when Craig was born!!!!!!!!
Is Craig's dad still about and involved with his life?
Is Craig's dad still about and involved with his life?
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qsducks;1136732 wrote: Is Craig's dad still about and involved with his life?
Absolutey..... and why the family is not panicking over Craig being a dad at 15 yrs old.
His father was just 15 when Craig was born..... He would put many fathers to shame now. For him and my sis, it was true love and they are wonderfull parents. They have never looked at anyone else and live for each other.
This is Craig's dad 15 years later with their second youngest.
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Absolutey..... and why the family is not panicking over Craig being a dad at 15 yrs old.
His father was just 15 when Craig was born..... He would put many fathers to shame now. For him and my sis, it was true love and they are wonderfull parents. They have never looked at anyone else and live for each other.
This is Craig's dad 15 years later with their second youngest.
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At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
Boy of 13 is a Father.
oscar;1136784 wrote: Absolutey..... and why the family is not panicking over Craig being a dad at 15 yrs old.
His father was just 15 when Craig was born..... He would put many fathers to shame now. For him and my sis, it was true love and they are wonderfull parents. They have never looked at anyone else and live for each other.
This is Craig's dad 15 years later with their second youngest.
How many children did Craig's dad & mum have together? Now that is a nice news to hear Oscar and I commend them both for the love that has never gone out of their lives. Craig will be fine and things will work out especially as he has a loving built in support system called caring parents.:-4
His father was just 15 when Craig was born..... He would put many fathers to shame now. For him and my sis, it was true love and they are wonderfull parents. They have never looked at anyone else and live for each other.
This is Craig's dad 15 years later with their second youngest.
How many children did Craig's dad & mum have together? Now that is a nice news to hear Oscar and I commend them both for the love that has never gone out of their lives. Craig will be fine and things will work out especially as he has a loving built in support system called caring parents.:-4
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qsducks;1136788 wrote: How many children did Craig's dad & mum have together? Now that is a nice news to hear Oscar and I commend them both for the love that has never gone out of their lives. Craig will be fine and things will work out especially as he has a loving built in support system called caring parents.:-4
My sis has just had her 8th baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Craig's dad worked really hard and went on to become a 'master builder' We don't see much of him to be honest as he's always working. They have a beautifull five bed house and they have never taken one penny in hand-outs. They really are an example that young love can survive and survive well. They have had their 8th because they love their children and are independently in a financial position to give them the best of everything just from sheer hard work. I'm very proud of both of them and I'm sure little Craig will take his fathers example. He already contributes hugely into caring for his younger siblings.
My sis has just had her 8th baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Craig's dad worked really hard and went on to become a 'master builder' We don't see much of him to be honest as he's always working. They have a beautifull five bed house and they have never taken one penny in hand-outs. They really are an example that young love can survive and survive well. They have had their 8th because they love their children and are independently in a financial position to give them the best of everything just from sheer hard work. I'm very proud of both of them and I'm sure little Craig will take his fathers example. He already contributes hugely into caring for his younger siblings.
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oscar;1136793 wrote: My sis has just had her 8th baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Craig's dad worked really hard and went on to become a 'master builder' We don't see much of him to be honest as he's always working. They have a beautifull five bed house and they have never taken one penny in hand-outs. They really are an example that young love can survive and survive well. They have had their 8th because they love their children and are independently in a financial position to give them the best of everything just from sheer hard work. I'm very proud of both of them and I'm sure little Craig will take his fathers example. He already contributes hugely into caring for his younger siblings.
Is that the baby pic you just posted a few weeks ago with your sister? She is #8? Wow! Well good on them then. Boy, that is alot of kids but to each their own as I've got 4 myself. Hubs is a "master plumber" and works from dawn till dusk everyday but he spoils the lot of them:wah:. Craig will be fine and I'm sure of it. Sounds like he's got a good head on his shoulders for what is to come.
Craig's dad worked really hard and went on to become a 'master builder' We don't see much of him to be honest as he's always working. They have a beautifull five bed house and they have never taken one penny in hand-outs. They really are an example that young love can survive and survive well. They have had their 8th because they love their children and are independently in a financial position to give them the best of everything just from sheer hard work. I'm very proud of both of them and I'm sure little Craig will take his fathers example. He already contributes hugely into caring for his younger siblings.
Is that the baby pic you just posted a few weeks ago with your sister? She is #8? Wow! Well good on them then. Boy, that is alot of kids but to each their own as I've got 4 myself. Hubs is a "master plumber" and works from dawn till dusk everyday but he spoils the lot of them:wah:. Craig will be fine and I'm sure of it. Sounds like he's got a good head on his shoulders for what is to come.
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qsducks;1136797 wrote: Is that the baby pic you just posted a few weeks ago with your sister? She is #8? Wow! Well good on them then. Boy, that is alot of kids but to each their own as I've got 4 myself. Hubs is a "master plumber" and works from dawn till dusk everyday but he spoils the lot of them:wah:. Craig will be fine and I'm sure of it. Sounds like he's got a good head on his shoulders for what is to come.
Yes, that was the baby i posted. 8 kids sounds chaos but my sis runs her home with military precision. All the kids have their jobs to do including picking the babies up from school and nursery etc and they do it well.
Even if Craig and his girl don't work out, they do have a large family all there to catch them if they fall. We have to remember in these cases as well that as with Craig, he is still a boy and wants to go fishing with Uncle Pete still. It's finding the balance really i suppose.
Yes, that was the baby i posted. 8 kids sounds chaos but my sis runs her home with military precision. All the kids have their jobs to do including picking the babies up from school and nursery etc and they do it well.
Even if Craig and his girl don't work out, they do have a large family all there to catch them if they fall. We have to remember in these cases as well that as with Craig, he is still a boy and wants to go fishing with Uncle Pete still. It's finding the balance really i suppose.
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oscar;1136834 wrote: Yes, that was the baby i posted. 8 kids sounds chaos but my sis runs her home with military precision. All the kids have their jobs to do including picking the babies up from school and nursery etc and they do it well.
Even if Craig and his girl don't work out, they do have a large family all there to catch them if they fall. We have to remember in these cases as well that as with Craig, he is still a boy and wants to go fishing with Uncle Pete still. It's finding the balance really i suppose.
In that case with Uncle Pete, have Craig bring the baby along in the little carrier seat. I did crabbing with Quin in his little carrier years ago. No need to get a sitter and summer is coming up. I have done loads of stuff with my kids over the years without hubs being around...especially at the beach. Amazing on your sister's end...I guess she won't need the Nanny or Wife Swap:wah:
Even if Craig and his girl don't work out, they do have a large family all there to catch them if they fall. We have to remember in these cases as well that as with Craig, he is still a boy and wants to go fishing with Uncle Pete still. It's finding the balance really i suppose.
In that case with Uncle Pete, have Craig bring the baby along in the little carrier seat. I did crabbing with Quin in his little carrier years ago. No need to get a sitter and summer is coming up. I have done loads of stuff with my kids over the years without hubs being around...especially at the beach. Amazing on your sister's end...I guess she won't need the Nanny or Wife Swap:wah:
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qsducks;1136839 wrote: In that case with Uncle Pete, have Craig bring the baby along in the little carrier seat. I did crabbing with Quin in his little carrier years ago. No need to get a sitter and summer is coming up. I have done loads of stuff with my kids over the years without hubs being around...especially at the beach. Amazing on your sister's end...I guess she won't need the Nanny or Wife Swap:wah:
All my family have large families. I have a niece who has 7 including triplets (natural).
Little Craig's been out buying baby clothe's all in blue..... hope he's not dissapointed :wah:
I'm sure once the baby is old enough, he or she will learn the finer art of barbel fishing if Pete has anything to do with it :wah:
All my family have large families. I have a niece who has 7 including triplets (natural).
Little Craig's been out buying baby clothe's all in blue..... hope he's not dissapointed :wah:
I'm sure once the baby is old enough, he or she will learn the finer art of barbel fishing if Pete has anything to do with it :wah:
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oscar;1136846 wrote: All my family have large families. I have a niece who has 7 including triplets (natural).
Little Craig's been out buying baby clothe's all in blue..... hope he's not dissapointed :wah:
I'm sure once the baby is old enough, he or she will learn the finer art of barbel fishing if Pete has anything to do with it :wah:
Either way get her or him a fishing rod for a nice prezzie later on. My daughter goes fishing down at the local pond. Granted, I wouldn't eat it but she also goes fishing at the beach too. so, what do you think Craig's baby will be? boy or girl and they must be having a go at names.:wah:
Little Craig's been out buying baby clothe's all in blue..... hope he's not dissapointed :wah:
I'm sure once the baby is old enough, he or she will learn the finer art of barbel fishing if Pete has anything to do with it :wah:
Either way get her or him a fishing rod for a nice prezzie later on. My daughter goes fishing down at the local pond. Granted, I wouldn't eat it but she also goes fishing at the beach too. so, what do you think Craig's baby will be? boy or girl and they must be having a go at names.:wah:
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qsducks;1136850 wrote: Either way get her or him a fishing rod for a nice prezzie later on. My daughter goes fishing down at the local pond. Granted, I wouldn't eat it but she also goes fishing at the beach too. so, what do you think Craig's baby will be? boy or girl and they must be having a go at names.:wah:
I myself have the idea it is a boy. If so, he will be 'Craig' the same as his dad and his dad before him.
If she's a girl, my sis will name her after one of her handbags :yh_rotfl
I myself have the idea it is a boy. If so, he will be 'Craig' the same as his dad and his dad before him.
If she's a girl, my sis will name her after one of her handbags :yh_rotfl
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oscar;1136855 wrote: I myself have the idea it is a boy. If so, he will be 'Craig' the same as his dad and his dad before him.
If she's a girl, my sis will name her after one of her handbags :yh_rotfl
Hope it's not Coach:yh_rotfl. What are the girl names they are thinking of?
If she's a girl, my sis will name her after one of her handbags :yh_rotfl
Hope it's not Coach:yh_rotfl. What are the girl names they are thinking of?
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qsducks;1136859 wrote: Hope it's not Coach:yh_rotfl. What are the girl names they are thinking of?
Shania
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Shania
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oscar;1136634 wrote: You really can't get the hang of this lyric thingy can you?
'Money' was covered by The Stones.
The correct lyric is NOT you can KEEP them:
The best things in life are free
Look I'll give 'em to the birds and beesI want money (that's what I want)
Yeah, that's what I want (oh yeah, that's what I want)
That's what I want, oh yeah (that's what I want)
That's what I want (oh yeah, that's what I want)
Never argue with a Stones fan :p:p
I've got two words for you me lass.
The Beatles. :guitarist
'Money' was covered by The Stones.
The correct lyric is NOT you can KEEP them:
The best things in life are free
Look I'll give 'em to the birds and beesI want money (that's what I want)
Yeah, that's what I want (oh yeah, that's what I want)
That's what I want, oh yeah (that's what I want)
That's what I want (oh yeah, that's what I want)
Never argue with a Stones fan :p:p
I've got two words for you me lass.
The Beatles. :guitarist
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally;1136905 wrote: I've got two words for you me lass.
The Beatles. :guitarist
You mean these?
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The Beatles. :guitarist
You mean these?
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Galbally;1136905 wrote: I've got two words for you me lass.
The Beatles. :guitarist
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
The Beatles. :guitarist
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Galbally;1136905 wrote: I've got two words for you me lass.
The Beatles. :guitarist
At least Jaggs didn't need drugs to confuse the heck out of us :p:p:p
The Beatles. :guitarist
At least Jaggs didn't need drugs to confuse the heck out of us :p:p:p
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