One incident surely isn't enough to suggest any implications whatsoever other than the operator's competence in operating the vehicle appropriately.
On a side note, this sort of thing should raise a hell of alot of concern regarding automobile manufacturers and their relationship to automobile insurance companies.
Perhaps I'm overly cynical?
I call it realism based off of prior facts!
Does this pass the smell test?
Does this pass the smell test?
It's a firmware bug.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Does this pass the smell test?
Scrat;1295651 wrote: I have been following this closely. It all seems like a campaign of character assassination on Toyota if you ask me. They are the top automaker in the world and therefore the biggest target. All this can't be coincidence, especially this. At least they are defending themselves.
I know it to be a HUGE spectacle to demonize Toyota so as to sell more GM cars...
Cynical? I call it realism based off of prior facts!
Capitalist Amareca!
"THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!"
I know it to be a HUGE spectacle to demonize Toyota so as to sell more GM cars...
Cynical? I call it realism based off of prior facts!
Capitalist Amareca!
"THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!"
Does this pass the smell test?
K.Snyder;1295655 wrote: I know it to be a HUGE spectacle to demonize Toyota so as to sell more GM cars...
Cynical? I call it realism based off of prior facts!
Capitalist Amareca!
"THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!"
The prius is made in america so how is that taking american jobs? Honda and nissan manufacture there as well. If you're going to blame anyone blame the ones that don't but GMC cars.
Face up to it capitalist america, if a company from another country make better products it's not cheating. Maybe if american cpmpanies had faced uop to cpmpetition and make equally good products instead of lobbying for import barriers they might not be in the crapper now.
Cynical? I call it realism based off of prior facts!
Capitalist Amareca!
"THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!"
The prius is made in america so how is that taking american jobs? Honda and nissan manufacture there as well. If you're going to blame anyone blame the ones that don't but GMC cars.
Face up to it capitalist america, if a company from another country make better products it's not cheating. Maybe if american cpmpanies had faced uop to cpmpetition and make equally good products instead of lobbying for import barriers they might not be in the crapper now.
Does this pass the smell test?
My sister had a 1992 Lexus it had the same exceleration problem they are talking about today sorry I think the truth is finally coming out about Toyota and its long overdue.
This guy tried putting it in netural it didn't work. He tried several options nothing worked. He was afraid if he turned it off the steering would lock as it does in most cars. He was on a steep road speeding down the highway if he turned it off he would have went right over the side into very steep canyons, or someone would have run into him. There is no where to go off the side on this road I have driven it all my life.
Stop blaming the drivers and blame Toyota they have been found out finally. The have a bug that is intermittent in nature so they thought is my guess in the computer somewhere. When you have millions of their cars on the road intermittent becomes every day evetually. Floor mats my backside some of these accidents they didn't have floor mats in them.
This guy tried putting it in netural it didn't work. He tried several options nothing worked. He was afraid if he turned it off the steering would lock as it does in most cars. He was on a steep road speeding down the highway if he turned it off he would have went right over the side into very steep canyons, or someone would have run into him. There is no where to go off the side on this road I have driven it all my life.
Stop blaming the drivers and blame Toyota they have been found out finally. The have a bug that is intermittent in nature so they thought is my guess in the computer somewhere. When you have millions of their cars on the road intermittent becomes every day evetually. Floor mats my backside some of these accidents they didn't have floor mats in them.
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
Does this pass the smell test?
gmc;1295668 wrote: The prius is made in america so how is that taking american jobs? Honda and nissan manufacture there as well. If you're going to blame anyone blame the ones that don't but GMC cars.
Face up to it capitalist america, if a company from another country make better products it's not cheating. Maybe if american cpmpanies had faced uop to cpmpetition and make equally good products instead of lobbying for import barriers they might not be in the crapper now.
It's all America's fault and I blame Bush.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
Face up to it capitalist america, if a company from another country make better products it's not cheating. Maybe if american cpmpanies had faced uop to cpmpetition and make equally good products instead of lobbying for import barriers they might not be in the crapper now.
It's all America's fault and I blame Bush.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
Does this pass the smell test?
CARLA;1295739 wrote: My sister had a 1992 Lexus it had the same exceleration problem they are talking about today sorry I think the truth is finally coming out about Toyota and its long overdue.
This guy tried putting it in netural it didn't work. He tried several options nothing worked. He was afraid if he turned it off the steering would lock as it does in most cars. He was on a steep road speeding down the highway if he turned it off he would have went right over the side into very steep canyons, or someone would have run into him. There is no where to go off the side on this road I have driven it all my life.
Stop blaming the drivers and blame Toyota they have been found out finally. The have a bug that is intermittent in nature so they thought is my guess in the computer somewhere. When you have millions of their cars on the road intermittent becomes every day evetually. Floor mats my backside some of these accidents they didn't have floor mats in them.
Agreed, the wheel might lock and you lose power steering, power brakes etc. etc.when you turn off the car
This guy tried putting it in netural it didn't work. He tried several options nothing worked. He was afraid if he turned it off the steering would lock as it does in most cars. He was on a steep road speeding down the highway if he turned it off he would have went right over the side into very steep canyons, or someone would have run into him. There is no where to go off the side on this road I have driven it all my life.
Stop blaming the drivers and blame Toyota they have been found out finally. The have a bug that is intermittent in nature so they thought is my guess in the computer somewhere. When you have millions of their cars on the road intermittent becomes every day evetually. Floor mats my backside some of these accidents they didn't have floor mats in them.
Agreed, the wheel might lock and you lose power steering, power brakes etc. etc.when you turn off the car
Does this pass the smell test?
hoppy;1295746 wrote: It's all America's fault and I blame Bush.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
Well you keep telling us how responsible you all are. GM europe actually does quite well as do the various subdivisions around the world. My wife has a korean made chevrolet and now they're making new models in hungary or somewhere. There's a dealer near me that has chrysler side by side with citroen and Hyundai. There's something badly wrong when they citroen and hyundai look up market in comparison.
There's a lot to be said for not buying an automatic. Could never understand why anyone who likes driving would want an automatic anyway.
Well you keep telling us how responsible you all are. GM europe actually does quite well as do the various subdivisions around the world. My wife has a korean made chevrolet and now they're making new models in hungary or somewhere. There's a dealer near me that has chrysler side by side with citroen and Hyundai. There's something badly wrong when they citroen and hyundai look up market in comparison.
There's a lot to be said for not buying an automatic. Could never understand why anyone who likes driving would want an automatic anyway.
Does this pass the smell test?
:driving:Guess you never been in rush hour traffic on the 5 in Los Angeles, makes having an automatic wonderful. :wah:
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There's a lot to be said for not buying an automatic. Could never understand why anyone who likes driving would want an automatic anyway. Today 07:28 AM
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There's a lot to be said for not buying an automatic. Could never understand why anyone who likes driving would want an automatic anyway.
There's a lot to be said for not buying an automatic. Could never understand why anyone who likes driving would want an automatic anyway. Today 07:28 AM
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
Does this pass the smell test?
CARLA;1295785 wrote: :driving:Guess you never been in rush hour traffic on the 5 in Los Angeles, makes having an automatic wonderful. :wah:
There's a lot to be said for not buying an automatic. Could never understand why anyone who likes driving would want an automatic anyway. Today 07:28 AM
No but I do travel regularly in one of the most congested cities in europe and lived in London before that which actually is the most congested (I think) . Try driving in cities that were never built with cars in mind. I've driven automatics I just hate them.
There's a lot to be said for not buying an automatic. Could never understand why anyone who likes driving would want an automatic anyway. Today 07:28 AM
No but I do travel regularly in one of the most congested cities in europe and lived in London before that which actually is the most congested (I think) . Try driving in cities that were never built with cars in mind. I've driven automatics I just hate them.
Does this pass the smell test?
gmc;1295668 wrote: The prius is made in america so how is that taking american jobs? Honda and nissan manufacture there as well. If you're going to blame anyone blame the ones that don't but GMC cars.It was a joke dude...I take it you don't watch "South Park"...
And for the record I used to work for a Japanese manufacturer and I know how they help to create jobs...It's what made my damn joke so fn funny
gmc;1295668 wrote:
Face up to it capitalist america, if a company from another country make better products it's not cheating. Maybe if american cpmpanies had faced uop to cpmpetition and make equally good products instead of lobbying for import barriers they might not be in the crapper now. They had no reason to make better products because they played off of American prejudices...It's entirely why Marijuana isn't legal...
The fact remains however that with a population heavily knowledgeable in automobile racing it will take a speech more influential than Martin Luther King's impact on African Americans to change the average American's mentality towards automobiles...
Quite simply America isn't like Europe with small alley streets. America is vast with countless open roads. I wouldn't be caught dead in a small sized sedan, why? Because if somebody hits my 3/4 ton truck they're going to feel it not I!
People can spout off about gas prices all they want but when it comes down to it I'll still be alive and if I'm judged for it then those can kiss my ***!
And for the record I used to work for a Japanese manufacturer and I know how they help to create jobs...It's what made my damn joke so fn funny
gmc;1295668 wrote:
Face up to it capitalist america, if a company from another country make better products it's not cheating. Maybe if american cpmpanies had faced uop to cpmpetition and make equally good products instead of lobbying for import barriers they might not be in the crapper now. They had no reason to make better products because they played off of American prejudices...It's entirely why Marijuana isn't legal...
The fact remains however that with a population heavily knowledgeable in automobile racing it will take a speech more influential than Martin Luther King's impact on African Americans to change the average American's mentality towards automobiles...
Quite simply America isn't like Europe with small alley streets. America is vast with countless open roads. I wouldn't be caught dead in a small sized sedan, why? Because if somebody hits my 3/4 ton truck they're going to feel it not I!
People can spout off about gas prices all they want but when it comes down to it I'll still be alive and if I'm judged for it then those can kiss my ***!
Does this pass the smell test?
CARLA;1295739 wrote: My sister had a 1992 Lexus it had the same exceleration problem they are talking about today sorry I think the truth is finally coming out about Toyota and its long overdue.
This guy tried putting it in netural it didn't work. He tried several options nothing worked. He was afraid if he turned it off the steering would lock as it does in most cars. He was on a steep road speeding down the highway if he turned it off he would have went right over the side into very steep canyons, or someone would have run into him. There is no where to go off the side on this road I have driven it all my life.
Stop blaming the drivers and blame Toyota they have been found out finally. The have a bug that is intermittent in nature so they thought is my guess in the computer somewhere. When you have millions of their cars on the road intermittent becomes every day evetually. Floor mats my backside some of these accidents they didn't have floor mats in them.
Interesting here that the Prius is very different in a lot of ways from the other cars.
Turning on/off the car is done by a button on the dash, I think.
But then there are probably safety algorithms to keep the car from just "turning off" while in motion. The car probably has to be "shutdown" before it actually powers off.
Yes, there is the danger in most cars that you turn the key too far when trying to turn it off, and lock the steering wheel. That could be a real problem if you are hurtling down the road at 80-90 mph.
I had a similar problem in a car once when the engine broke a mount, and twisted caught the linkage holding the throttle open.
I did turn the key to kill the engine, and then wrestled the thing to a stop, but that was back when all the controls and such were mechanical.
With much of the stuff electronic or firmware driven, these days, it can be a whole other ball game.
there needs to be a "kill switch" that turns ignition off, without killing other functions.
Right now, I see Toyota trying to run damage control, while their software engineers struggle to locate the firmware bug that is at the root of this thing.
This guy tried putting it in netural it didn't work. He tried several options nothing worked. He was afraid if he turned it off the steering would lock as it does in most cars. He was on a steep road speeding down the highway if he turned it off he would have went right over the side into very steep canyons, or someone would have run into him. There is no where to go off the side on this road I have driven it all my life.
Stop blaming the drivers and blame Toyota they have been found out finally. The have a bug that is intermittent in nature so they thought is my guess in the computer somewhere. When you have millions of their cars on the road intermittent becomes every day evetually. Floor mats my backside some of these accidents they didn't have floor mats in them.
Interesting here that the Prius is very different in a lot of ways from the other cars.
Turning on/off the car is done by a button on the dash, I think.
But then there are probably safety algorithms to keep the car from just "turning off" while in motion. The car probably has to be "shutdown" before it actually powers off.
Yes, there is the danger in most cars that you turn the key too far when trying to turn it off, and lock the steering wheel. That could be a real problem if you are hurtling down the road at 80-90 mph.
I had a similar problem in a car once when the engine broke a mount, and twisted caught the linkage holding the throttle open.
I did turn the key to kill the engine, and then wrestled the thing to a stop, but that was back when all the controls and such were mechanical.
With much of the stuff electronic or firmware driven, these days, it can be a whole other ball game.
there needs to be a "kill switch" that turns ignition off, without killing other functions.
Right now, I see Toyota trying to run damage control, while their software engineers struggle to locate the firmware bug that is at the root of this thing.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Does this pass the smell test?
You are right they are very different to start and stop I have driven my friends several times odd feeling at first. By the way he won't drive it now doesn't trust it. :driving:
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Interesting here that the Prius is very different in a lot of ways from the other cars.
Turning on/off the car is done by a button on the dash, I think.
But then there are probably safety algorithms to keep the car from just "turning off" while in motion. The car probably has to be "shutdown" before it actually powers off.
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Interesting here that the Prius is very different in a lot of ways from the other cars.
Turning on/off the car is done by a button on the dash, I think.
But then there are probably safety algorithms to keep the car from just "turning off" while in motion. The car probably has to be "shutdown" before it actually powers off.
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ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
Does this pass the smell test?
posted by K snyder
It was a joke dude...I take it you don't watch "South Park"...
I don't actually The cartoons irritate me to the point I can't watch it. I can't be bothered with the simpsons for the same reason. my loss perhaps.
Quite simply America isn't like Europe with small alley streets. America is vast with countless open roads. I wouldn't be caught dead in a small sized sedan, why? Because if somebody hits my 3/4 ton truck they're going to feel it not I!
Even our open roads aren't exactly vast-away from the motorways windy roads are the norm. I prefer estate cars myself so I let my wife pay for one for her so we can tow the caracan. :sneaky: I'm downsizing for my next car £1.12 a litre for petrol makes you think small as well believe me. They retail the chrysler sebring here-it's almost as wide as a standard parking space and if you park it between two cars you wouldn't be able to open the door enough to get out.
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It was a joke dude...I take it you don't watch "South Park"...
I don't actually The cartoons irritate me to the point I can't watch it. I can't be bothered with the simpsons for the same reason. my loss perhaps.
Quite simply America isn't like Europe with small alley streets. America is vast with countless open roads. I wouldn't be caught dead in a small sized sedan, why? Because if somebody hits my 3/4 ton truck they're going to feel it not I!
Even our open roads aren't exactly vast-away from the motorways windy roads are the norm. I prefer estate cars myself so I let my wife pay for one for her so we can tow the caracan. :sneaky: I'm downsizing for my next car £1.12 a litre for petrol makes you think small as well believe me. They retail the chrysler sebring here-it's almost as wide as a standard parking space and if you park it between two cars you wouldn't be able to open the door enough to get out.
http://www.fernwehmacher.de/schottland/ ... ecross.jpg
Does this pass the smell test?
gmc;1296006 wrote: posted by K snyder
I don't actually The cartoons irritate me to the point I can't watch it. I can't be bothered with the simpsons for the same reason. my loss perhaps.
Even our open roads aren't exactly vast-away from the motorways windy roads are the norm. I prefer estate cars myself so I let my wife pay for one for her so we can tow the caracan. :sneaky: I'm downsizing for my next car £1.12 a litre for petrol makes you think small as well believe me. They retail the chrysler sebring here-it's almost as wide as a standard parking space and if you park it between two cars you wouldn't be able to open the door enough to get out.
http://www.fernwehmacher.de/schottland/ ... ecross.jpg
I don't doubt Europe(considering America is compared to all of europe in this regard) has it's open roads, but anyone that's been to America knows that everything is Gigantic compared to Europe and this includes the roads on average.
None the less, I truly hate having to spend as much as I do in gas each week. I'd previously used my truck for work related tasks and trucks to me always come in handy, but now that I'm in the medical field I really don't have the need for one wholeheartedly and do like the idea of buying a car to save money in the long run but I remain completely neurotic about it. If I lived in an inner city with one way streets bumper to bumper I wouldn't need to think about it really but I don't.
Quite simply street automobiles are death traps on wheels and while I don't know the exact numbers the vastness of America alone leads me to believe critical-moderate injury to death is much higher than my wish to drive a tin can.
I don't actually The cartoons irritate me to the point I can't watch it. I can't be bothered with the simpsons for the same reason. my loss perhaps.
Even our open roads aren't exactly vast-away from the motorways windy roads are the norm. I prefer estate cars myself so I let my wife pay for one for her so we can tow the caracan. :sneaky: I'm downsizing for my next car £1.12 a litre for petrol makes you think small as well believe me. They retail the chrysler sebring here-it's almost as wide as a standard parking space and if you park it between two cars you wouldn't be able to open the door enough to get out.
http://www.fernwehmacher.de/schottland/ ... ecross.jpg
I don't doubt Europe(considering America is compared to all of europe in this regard) has it's open roads, but anyone that's been to America knows that everything is Gigantic compared to Europe and this includes the roads on average.
None the less, I truly hate having to spend as much as I do in gas each week. I'd previously used my truck for work related tasks and trucks to me always come in handy, but now that I'm in the medical field I really don't have the need for one wholeheartedly and do like the idea of buying a car to save money in the long run but I remain completely neurotic about it. If I lived in an inner city with one way streets bumper to bumper I wouldn't need to think about it really but I don't.
Quite simply street automobiles are death traps on wheels and while I don't know the exact numbers the vastness of America alone leads me to believe critical-moderate injury to death is much higher than my wish to drive a tin can.
Does this pass the smell test?
K.Snyder;1296127 wrote: I don't doubt Europe(considering America is compared to all of europe in this regard) has it's open roads, but anyone that's been to America knows that everything is Gigantic compared to Europe and this includes the roads on average.
None the less, I truly hate having to spend as much as I do in gas each week. I'd previously used my truck for work related tasks and trucks to me always come in handy, but now that I'm in the medical field I really don't have the need for one wholeheartedly and do like the idea of buying a car to save money in the long run but I remain completely neurotic about it. If I lived in an inner city with one way streets bumper to bumper I wouldn't need to think about it really but I don't.
Quite simply street automobiles are death traps on wheels and while I don't know the exact numbers the vastness of America alone leads me to believe critical-moderate injury to death is much higher than my wish to drive a tin can.
Different perspectives I suppose. 4x4's are more dangerous to drive because they are inherently more unstable-there have been a concerns raised about accidents caused by people swerving on motorways and rolling them and they don't corner as well as a car. Handling matters more than in the states I suppose. We do have straight roads-we call them motorways and sometimes it's a few miles before you come to a gentle bend. We have fairly stringent safety regulations for our cars so the newer ones are a bit better even if rammed by a bigger vehicle-saw one last night that had been tail ended by a lorry on a lead off, had no boot but the cabin was intact and the lady car owner was giving the other driver verbal. four by fours don't actually get a very high rating.
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None the less, I truly hate having to spend as much as I do in gas each week. I'd previously used my truck for work related tasks and trucks to me always come in handy, but now that I'm in the medical field I really don't have the need for one wholeheartedly and do like the idea of buying a car to save money in the long run but I remain completely neurotic about it. If I lived in an inner city with one way streets bumper to bumper I wouldn't need to think about it really but I don't.
Quite simply street automobiles are death traps on wheels and while I don't know the exact numbers the vastness of America alone leads me to believe critical-moderate injury to death is much higher than my wish to drive a tin can.
Different perspectives I suppose. 4x4's are more dangerous to drive because they are inherently more unstable-there have been a concerns raised about accidents caused by people swerving on motorways and rolling them and they don't corner as well as a car. Handling matters more than in the states I suppose. We do have straight roads-we call them motorways and sometimes it's a few miles before you come to a gentle bend. We have fairly stringent safety regulations for our cars so the newer ones are a bit better even if rammed by a bigger vehicle-saw one last night that had been tail ended by a lorry on a lead off, had no boot but the cabin was intact and the lady car owner was giving the other driver verbal. four by fours don't actually get a very high rating.
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The guy was a Californian. Probably didn't know what the "N" on his shifter meant.
Does this pass the smell test?
gmc;1296322 wrote: Different perspectives I suppose. 4x4's are more dangerous to drive because they are inherently more unstable-there have been a concerns raised about accidents caused by people swerving on motorways and rolling them and they don't corner as well as a car. Handling matters more than in the states I suppose. We do have straight roads-we call them motorways and sometimes it's a few miles before you come to a gentle bend. We have fairly stringent safety regulations for our cars so the newer ones are a bit better even if rammed by a bigger vehicle-saw one last night that had been tail ended by a lorry on a lead off, had no boot but the cabin was intact and the lady car owner was giving the other driver verbal. four by fours don't actually get a very high rating.
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Sure, I'd drive a car if I could be comfortable with it's safety. I wouldn't at all place a "4x4" or SUV in the same category as what I would define as safe. It just so happens that I define many larger size trucks as safe compared to others that define safe with the definition of "acceptance" and I've never understood that philosophy myself.
A girl I dated some time ago moved to my city from 10's of miles away and within the first month we enjoyed each others' company she was involved in a horrible accident that left the other driver, which was at fault, critically injured and the only person injured in her car was the person driving(Shattered left foot and broken right leg) and I've been meaning to call her and ask what her model car was because I can't remember. She'd said she bought it because of a good safety rating and it has impressed me considering the accident was on an avenue without a tire mark at the scene of the crime/accident(the other driver was on illegal drugs).
I can't say I won't be neurotic when driving the car(subconsciously mostly).
I've been in a number of very bad accidents as a kid and I get a bit nervous so I like my trucks and as I've said earlier...
PS: I don't really want a shattered anything nor a broken leg and I feel my chances of avoiding all of it is Tremendously better with a large truck, preferably with an older frame.
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Sure, I'd drive a car if I could be comfortable with it's safety. I wouldn't at all place a "4x4" or SUV in the same category as what I would define as safe. It just so happens that I define many larger size trucks as safe compared to others that define safe with the definition of "acceptance" and I've never understood that philosophy myself.
A girl I dated some time ago moved to my city from 10's of miles away and within the first month we enjoyed each others' company she was involved in a horrible accident that left the other driver, which was at fault, critically injured and the only person injured in her car was the person driving(Shattered left foot and broken right leg) and I've been meaning to call her and ask what her model car was because I can't remember. She'd said she bought it because of a good safety rating and it has impressed me considering the accident was on an avenue without a tire mark at the scene of the crime/accident(the other driver was on illegal drugs).
I can't say I won't be neurotic when driving the car(subconsciously mostly).
I've been in a number of very bad accidents as a kid and I get a bit nervous so I like my trucks and as I've said earlier...
PS: I don't really want a shattered anything nor a broken leg and I feel my chances of avoiding all of it is Tremendously better with a large truck, preferably with an older frame.
Does this pass the smell test?
Maybe Sikes is not acting! See link about previous problems reported.
Lets wait & see what the current NHTSA investigation determines!
Consumer 10.0: Toyota, traffic safety agency, take hits over acceleration problems | Philadelphia Inquirer | 02/03/2010
Lets wait & see what the current NHTSA investigation determines!
Consumer 10.0: Toyota, traffic safety agency, take hits over acceleration problems | Philadelphia Inquirer | 02/03/2010
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Toyota Hybrid Horror Hoax
Toyota Hybrid Horror Hoax - Forbes.com
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Interesting reading.
Toyota Hybrid Horror Hoax - Forbes.com
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Interesting reading.
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