Is atheism a form of religion?
Is atheism a form of religion?
I wanted to begin with my response to the below quote as well as post a poll...
With my curiosity I'd also like to use the below quote from another thread as a possible beginning point for the beliefs of all else...
Clint proceeded to say in response to prisons ruling atheism as a religion...
Clint;108605 wrote: The logical progression then, would be the acceptance and protection of those who worship and practice evil.
I've said for a long time that Atheism is a religion so I suppose that I would also have to say that worshiping evil is a religion. That gets us back to the Establishment Clause. Did our founders mean religion in such generic terms? I don't think so. I think that when they used the word "religion" they meant those religions identifying themselves with the Ten Commandments to which they often referred.
Can government really be all things to all people? Can a nation survive if it doesn't have core values and beliefs other than the idea that freedom means honoring everything?
[...] http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/gener ... igion.html I'd personally like to ask how accepting the worshiping of evil as a religion is a bad thing? We as human beings must define our laws as a society and when those laws are broken then we should jail those responsible. Another example of people attempting to claim supremacy over people and their beliefs. It breads contempt.
The poll asks is atheism a form of religion?
With my curiosity I'd also like to use the below quote from another thread as a possible beginning point for the beliefs of all else...
Clint proceeded to say in response to prisons ruling atheism as a religion...
Clint;108605 wrote: The logical progression then, would be the acceptance and protection of those who worship and practice evil.
I've said for a long time that Atheism is a religion so I suppose that I would also have to say that worshiping evil is a religion. That gets us back to the Establishment Clause. Did our founders mean religion in such generic terms? I don't think so. I think that when they used the word "religion" they meant those religions identifying themselves with the Ten Commandments to which they often referred.
Can government really be all things to all people? Can a nation survive if it doesn't have core values and beliefs other than the idea that freedom means honoring everything?
[...] http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/gener ... igion.html I'd personally like to ask how accepting the worshiping of evil as a religion is a bad thing? We as human beings must define our laws as a society and when those laws are broken then we should jail those responsible. Another example of people attempting to claim supremacy over people and their beliefs. It breads contempt.
The poll asks is atheism a form of religion?
Is atheism a form of religion?
K.Snyder;1303174 wrote: I wanted to begin with my response to the below quote as well as post a poll...
With my curiosity I'd also like to use the below quote from another thread as a possible beginning point for the beliefs of all else...
Clint proceeded to say in response to prisons ruling atheism as a religion...
I'd personally like to ask how accepting the worshiping of evil as a religion is a bad thing? We as human beings must define our laws as a society and when those laws are broken then we should jail those responsible. Another example of people attempting to claim supremacy over people and their beliefs. It breads contempt.
The poll asks is atheism a form of religion?
What is the question?
Is worshipping evil a religion? - YES
The worship part is the religious element. Doing evil is something else.
What has atheism got to do with devil worship? Are you suggesting a link?
Is atheism - the belief that there is no God of any kind - a religion in itself? IMO, no.
With my curiosity I'd also like to use the below quote from another thread as a possible beginning point for the beliefs of all else...
Clint proceeded to say in response to prisons ruling atheism as a religion...
I'd personally like to ask how accepting the worshiping of evil as a religion is a bad thing? We as human beings must define our laws as a society and when those laws are broken then we should jail those responsible. Another example of people attempting to claim supremacy over people and their beliefs. It breads contempt.
The poll asks is atheism a form of religion?
What is the question?
Is worshipping evil a religion? - YES
The worship part is the religious element. Doing evil is something else.
What has atheism got to do with devil worship? Are you suggesting a link?
Is atheism - the belief that there is no God of any kind - a religion in itself? IMO, no.
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
Is atheism a form of religion?
AussiePam;1303179 wrote: What is the question?
Is worshipping evil a religion? - YES
The worship part is the religious element. Doing evil is something else.
What has atheism got to do with devil worship? Are you suggesting a link?
Is atheism - the belief that there is no God of any kind - a religion in itself? IMO, no.
"The poll asks is atheism a form of religion?" I thought placing the question in bold as well as it being the very same question on the poll would give people the idea that "The poll asks is atheism a form of religion?" was the question...
Maybe it's not showing up...It's showing up on my screen...
Anyone else having trouble?
Is worshipping evil a religion? - YES
The worship part is the religious element. Doing evil is something else.
What has atheism got to do with devil worship? Are you suggesting a link?
Is atheism - the belief that there is no God of any kind - a religion in itself? IMO, no.
"The poll asks is atheism a form of religion?" I thought placing the question in bold as well as it being the very same question on the poll would give people the idea that "The poll asks is atheism a form of religion?" was the question...
Maybe it's not showing up...It's showing up on my screen...
Anyone else having trouble?
Is atheism a form of religion?
It would seem to be so for some "atheist"
Not all.
Richard Dawkins seems to have made it his religion.
Some atheists I know are just folks who don't believe there is a God.
Dawkins and his friends seem to have raised it to an almost evangelical campaign.
Not all.
Richard Dawkins seems to have made it his religion.
Some atheists I know are just folks who don't believe there is a God.
Dawkins and his friends seem to have raised it to an almost evangelical campaign.
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I agree Larsmac. it's like scientists that believe science is the only way to save humanity. Scientists come in many shapes and sizes. Some are extremely zealous. Another words if science hasn't dicovered it , proved it, or looked into it ...it doesn't exist.
people say religion kills people begin wars etc etc. but it's not he preacher who makes or sends the bombs.
Are men of science nationalistic? yep...are religious folks nationalistic? yes ....are athiests nationalistic? yes..............and now you have war.
it makes me sick that athiests think that if you didn't have religion life would change ...well no it wont because people believe in many other things .
people say religion kills people begin wars etc etc. but it's not he preacher who makes or sends the bombs.
Are men of science nationalistic? yep...are religious folks nationalistic? yes ....are athiests nationalistic? yes..............and now you have war.
it makes me sick that athiests think that if you didn't have religion life would change ...well no it wont because people believe in many other things .
Is atheism a form of religion?
Just like believers of Islam, Judaism, Christianity et al that come in many stripes and hues, non believers come in many stripes and hues as well. The difference is in dogma, ritual and practices. Non believers follow no prescribed dogma or ritual and may be militant atheists or passive atheists (I'm passive). The militant atheists are the ones that try to legislate taking religious emblems or references off money, statuary, school books etc. Me? I don't care one way or the other. People will believe what they wish to believe irrespective of me or any laws banning said emblems.
Case in point is the old Soviet Union-------orthodoxy was not eliminated in the belief systems of many Russians. Though I think religion is nonsense I have no problem with those that think differently and am not interested in trying to convert anyone to atheism.
Case in point is the old Soviet Union-------orthodoxy was not eliminated in the belief systems of many Russians. Though I think religion is nonsense I have no problem with those that think differently and am not interested in trying to convert anyone to atheism.
Is atheism a form of religion?
Yes, I think you guys have convinced me. I'd always thought of atheists as people who don't believe in God and that's that.
But you're right there is a true believer type atheist who closely resembles those extreme "religionists" who are also self righteous, obsessed, fulminating, compassionless, intolerant and humourless. Such people have indeed constructed their own atheist religion.
But you're right there is a true believer type atheist who closely resembles those extreme "religionists" who are also self righteous, obsessed, fulminating, compassionless, intolerant and humourless. Such people have indeed constructed their own atheist religion.
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
Is atheism a form of religion?
No it's NOT a form of religion although clearly those who are religious would like to convince themselves it is just an alternative belief system and completely miss the point as a consequence.
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But you're right there is a true believer type atheist who closely resembles those extreme "religionists" who are also self righteous, obsessed, fulminating, compassionless, intolerant and humourless. Such people have indeed constructed their own atheist religion.
I know what you mean and know a few like that but don't agree they have made their own religion. It's a rationalisation by the religious so they can dismiss anything that challenges their belief system as just another rival belief system so they don't have to think about the answers. We have the right book you don't.
It seems to be a mainly American phenomenon where it's a response to the push by religious groups to reassert their dominance and try and ban the teaching of science in the classroom and prevent anything that questions their faith and may lure away their followers. The pressure to conform and be a member of a church seems to be enormous with active discrimination against anyone who doesn't fit in. It's like the enlightenment bypassed america.
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I would be getting pretty militant as well in these kind of circumstances
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But you're right there is a true believer type atheist who closely resembles those extreme "religionists" who are also self righteous, obsessed, fulminating, compassionless, intolerant and humourless. Such people have indeed constructed their own atheist religion.
I know what you mean and know a few like that but don't agree they have made their own religion. It's a rationalisation by the religious so they can dismiss anything that challenges their belief system as just another rival belief system so they don't have to think about the answers. We have the right book you don't.
It seems to be a mainly American phenomenon where it's a response to the push by religious groups to reassert their dominance and try and ban the teaching of science in the classroom and prevent anything that questions their faith and may lure away their followers. The pressure to conform and be a member of a church seems to be enormous with active discrimination against anyone who doesn't fit in. It's like the enlightenment bypassed america.
YouTube - Atheists Banned From Public Office in 7 State Constitutions
I would be getting pretty militant as well in these kind of circumstances
Is atheism a form of religion?
Atheism is a response to religion. "There is no God" is a response to "believe in God."
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303247 wrote: Atheism is a response to religion. "There is no God" is a response to "believe in God."
So
Religion is a response to God and
Atheism is a response to that response
Some kids respond to the beach by building a sandcastle. Another kid might prefer to spend his time kicking down the castle. Both are responding to the sand, but one lot more directly.
So
Religion is a response to God and
Atheism is a response to that response
Some kids respond to the beach by building a sandcastle. Another kid might prefer to spend his time kicking down the castle. Both are responding to the sand, but one lot more directly.
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
Is atheism a form of religion?
AussiePam;1303264 wrote: So
Religion is a response to God and
Atheism is a response to that responseIf thats how you see it....I guess. But that isn't what I was saying.
I may agree that religion is an re/action to a belief in a God. But we haven't defined religion yet for the purposes of this thread. My definition would include rituals - beliefs - ceremonies -observances - celebrations and meditations (perhaps more but thats it off the top of my head).
Without religion there would be no need for atheism - it wouldn't exist.
"Join my religion!" and "Believe in [my] God!" are too separate statements that may recieve two entirely different responses.
AussiePam;1303264 wrote: Some kids respond to the beach by building a sandcastle. Another kid might prefer to spend his time kicking down the castle. Both are responding to the sand, but one lot more directly.What I imagine you're getting at here, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that people who create and participate in religion are playing nicely and creatively and the atheist comes along and destroys it. If that is what you mean then I reject it because religion has proven itself to be actively destructive of the rights of others and violent. Sand castles just sit there.
Also, sand has physical properties and we know it exists instead of simply demanding or insisting that it exists without evidence.
Religion is a response to God and
Atheism is a response to that responseIf thats how you see it....I guess. But that isn't what I was saying.
I may agree that religion is an re/action to a belief in a God. But we haven't defined religion yet for the purposes of this thread. My definition would include rituals - beliefs - ceremonies -observances - celebrations and meditations (perhaps more but thats it off the top of my head).
Without religion there would be no need for atheism - it wouldn't exist.
"Join my religion!" and "Believe in [my] God!" are too separate statements that may recieve two entirely different responses.
AussiePam;1303264 wrote: Some kids respond to the beach by building a sandcastle. Another kid might prefer to spend his time kicking down the castle. Both are responding to the sand, but one lot more directly.What I imagine you're getting at here, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that people who create and participate in religion are playing nicely and creatively and the atheist comes along and destroys it. If that is what you mean then I reject it because religion has proven itself to be actively destructive of the rights of others and violent. Sand castles just sit there.
Also, sand has physical properties and we know it exists instead of simply demanding or insisting that it exists without evidence.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303247 wrote: Atheism is a response to religion. "There is no God" is a response to "believe in God."
To be more correct, Atheism is a response to Theism.
Religion is not reliant on the existence of a god, or gods, or The God.
Of course from reading all the comments on this board, it would seem we have "re-defined" religion.
To be more correct, Atheism is a response to Theism.
Religion is not reliant on the existence of a god, or gods, or The God.
Of course from reading all the comments on this board, it would seem we have "re-defined" religion.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
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Is atheism a form of religion?
LarsMac;1303289 wrote: To be more correct, Atheism is a response to Theism.
Religion is not reliant on the existence of a god, or gods, or The God.
Of course from reading all the comments on this board, it would seem we have "re-defined" religion.I stand corrected. thanks for pointing that out.
Religion is not reliant on the existence of a god, or gods, or The God.
Of course from reading all the comments on this board, it would seem we have "re-defined" religion.I stand corrected. thanks for pointing that out.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
I voted yes - leaving aside the agnostics as a totally separate group we have the theists :-
I believe that there is no God but *&*&*&* and *~*~*~*~*~* is his Prophet.
and the Atheists :-
I believe that there is no God.
Both are stating their beliefs on the same subject and both are basing those beliefs on faith - there is no proof either way logical or otherwise. I see very little difference between the two positions.
I believe that there is no God but *&*&*&* and *~*~*~*~*~* is his Prophet.
and the Atheists :-
I believe that there is no God.
Both are stating their beliefs on the same subject and both are basing those beliefs on faith - there is no proof either way logical or otherwise. I see very little difference between the two positions.
Is atheism a form of religion?
Bryn Mawr;1303296 wrote:
and the Atheists :-
I believe that there is no God.
Both are stating their beliefs on the same subject and both are basing those beliefs on faith - there is no proof either way logical or otherwise. I see very little difference between the two positions.You're misquoting. Atheists don't say: I believe that there is no God. Atheists say: there is no God.
Thats a world of difference there.
Atheists do not own the burden of proof, theists do. You can't prove a negative, nor should one even try.
There is no faith involved in atheism.
and the Atheists :-
I believe that there is no God.
Both are stating their beliefs on the same subject and both are basing those beliefs on faith - there is no proof either way logical or otherwise. I see very little difference between the two positions.You're misquoting. Atheists don't say: I believe that there is no God. Atheists say: there is no God.
Thats a world of difference there.
Atheists do not own the burden of proof, theists do. You can't prove a negative, nor should one even try.
There is no faith involved in atheism.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303297 wrote: You're misquoting. Atheists don't say: I believe that there is no God. Atheists say: there is no God.
Thats a world of difference there.
Atheists do not own the burden of proof, theists do. You can't prove a negative, nor should one even try.
There is no faith involved in atheism.
Given that there is no proof, the statement is "I believe that there is no God" whether they include it or not.
If there is no faith involved then it must be based on proof - any other basis is a form of faith.
Thats a world of difference there.
Atheists do not own the burden of proof, theists do. You can't prove a negative, nor should one even try.
There is no faith involved in atheism.
Given that there is no proof, the statement is "I believe that there is no God" whether they include it or not.
If there is no faith involved then it must be based on proof - any other basis is a form of faith.
Is atheism a form of religion?
Bryn Mawr;1303300 wrote: Given that there is no proof, the statement is "I believe that there is no God" whether they include it or not.
If there is no faith involved then it must be based on proof - any other basis is a form of faith.What? the statement "there is no God" is an acknowledgement of non proof.
Responding to a non-truth does not put that person....forget it!
If there is no faith involved then it must be based on proof - any other basis is a form of faith.What? the statement "there is no God" is an acknowledgement of non proof.
Responding to a non-truth does not put that person....forget it!
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
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Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303302 wrote: What? the statement "there is no God" is an acknowledgement of non proof.
Responding to a non-truth does not put that person....forget it!
No, the statement "There is no God" purports to be a statement of fact. Without proof of that "fact" then it can only be a statement of belief.
Responding to a non-truth does not put that person....forget it!
No, the statement "There is no God" purports to be a statement of fact. Without proof of that "fact" then it can only be a statement of belief.
Is atheism a form of religion?
Bryn Mawr;1303306 wrote: No, the statement "There is no God" purports to be a statement of fact. Without proof of that "fact" then it can only be a statement of belief.You've got to be kidding me, Bryn. Of course its a statement of fact. God didn't exist until someone claimed there was one.
Tell me, Bryn, what proof would you like? Explain to me how to prove a negative.
Prove to me there is no easter bunny!
Person#1 - There is a God
Person#2 - Prove it!
Person#1 - I can't, I believe it by faith
Person#2 - Then there is no God until you prove there is.
Tell me, Bryn, what proof would you like? Explain to me how to prove a negative.
Prove to me there is no easter bunny!
Person#1 - There is a God
Person#2 - Prove it!
Person#1 - I can't, I believe it by faith
Person#2 - Then there is no God until you prove there is.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Bryn Mawr;1303306 wrote: No, the statement "There is no God" purports to be a statement of fact. Without proof of that "fact" then it can only be a statement of belief.
Excellent point.
Not even the most aggressively certain atheist has ever yet disproved the existence of God, in my opinion. Recent discussions have made me again rethink my beliefs, but have not convinced me to abandon them. In many ways, the current discussions, and the way they have been conducted, have made me firmer in what I believe. So, one belief versus another belief.
Excellent point.
Not even the most aggressively certain atheist has ever yet disproved the existence of God, in my opinion. Recent discussions have made me again rethink my beliefs, but have not convinced me to abandon them. In many ways, the current discussions, and the way they have been conducted, have made me firmer in what I believe. So, one belief versus another belief.
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Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303313 wrote: Of course its a statement of fact. God didn't exist until someone claimed there was one.
Now that is some claim!
How do you know it? For an a priori fact?????
Now that is some claim!
How do you know it? For an a priori fact?????
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303313 wrote: Tell me, Bryn, what proof would you like? Explain to me how to prove a negative.
Prove to me there is no easter bunny!
Person#1 - There is a God
Person#2 - Prove it!
Person#1 - I can't, I believe it by faith
Person#2 - Then there is no God until you prove there is.
I wouldn't even begin to try - that's not the point.
If you believe that the case is unproven then you are an agnostic - to be an atheist you must believe that the case is proven beyond doubt in the negative.
There is a huge difference between "no-one has proven that there is a God therefore I do not believe one exists" and "There is no God".
Prove to me there is no easter bunny!
Person#1 - There is a God
Person#2 - Prove it!
Person#1 - I can't, I believe it by faith
Person#2 - Then there is no God until you prove there is.
I wouldn't even begin to try - that's not the point.
If you believe that the case is unproven then you are an agnostic - to be an atheist you must believe that the case is proven beyond doubt in the negative.
There is a huge difference between "no-one has proven that there is a God therefore I do not believe one exists" and "There is no God".
Is atheism a form of religion?
Bryn Mawr;1303317 wrote: I wouldn't even begin to try - that's not the point.
If you believe that the case is unproven then you are an agnostic - to be an atheist you must believe that the case is proven beyond doubt in the negative.
There is a huge difference between "no-one has proven that there is a God therefore I do not believe one exists" and "There is no God".You wouldn't try because you can't.
Its not me who believes the case is unproven - thats you. I know there is no God! There is no belief in me at all concerning a God.
The term atheism exists only because it is a response to a very popular idea that there is a God. Its simply a word to communicate the fact that there is no such thing as God and never has been. We/I don't have to prove anything because we/I didn't make a claim.
If you believe that the case is unproven then you are an agnostic - to be an atheist you must believe that the case is proven beyond doubt in the negative.
There is a huge difference between "no-one has proven that there is a God therefore I do not believe one exists" and "There is no God".You wouldn't try because you can't.
Its not me who believes the case is unproven - thats you. I know there is no God! There is no belief in me at all concerning a God.
The term atheism exists only because it is a response to a very popular idea that there is a God. Its simply a word to communicate the fact that there is no such thing as God and never has been. We/I don't have to prove anything because we/I didn't make a claim.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
AussiePam;1303316 wrote: Now that is some claim!
How do you know it? For an a priori fact?????How do I know what? That someone claimed there was a God.? Not only is it an ancient myth but its also a current one. I hear people make the claim constantly. You've said it, haven't you?
How do you know it? For an a priori fact?????How do I know what? That someone claimed there was a God.? Not only is it an ancient myth but its also a current one. I hear people make the claim constantly. You've said it, haven't you?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303320 wrote: You wouldn't try because you can't.
Its not me who believes the case is unproven - thats you. I know there is no God! There is no belief in me at all concerning a God.
The term atheism exists only because it is a response to a very popular idea that there is a God. Its simply a word to communicate the fact that there is no such thing as God and never has been. We/I don't have to prove anything because we/I didn't make a claim.
Not me - I've not stated my position in this, just your misuse of the English language. By saying that you are an Atheist and that there is no God you are taking the burden of proof onto yourself - you are saying, not just that the existence of God is unproven, but that God positively does not exist.
If you "know there is no God" then either prove it or admit that it is a statement of belief, there is no other choice.
Its not me who believes the case is unproven - thats you. I know there is no God! There is no belief in me at all concerning a God.
The term atheism exists only because it is a response to a very popular idea that there is a God. Its simply a word to communicate the fact that there is no such thing as God and never has been. We/I don't have to prove anything because we/I didn't make a claim.
Not me - I've not stated my position in this, just your misuse of the English language. By saying that you are an Atheist and that there is no God you are taking the burden of proof onto yourself - you are saying, not just that the existence of God is unproven, but that God positively does not exist.
If you "know there is no God" then either prove it or admit that it is a statement of belief, there is no other choice.
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303321 wrote: How do I know what? That someone claimed there was a God.? Not only is it an ancient myth but its also a current one. I hear people make the claim constantly. You've said it, haven't you?
Yes. I claim there is a God. You claim or counterclaim if you like that there is no God.
I claim that my claim is better. You claim that your claim is better.
My co-religionists say that In the beginning God was
You say In the beginning God was not.
I don't see how you don't see that both claims are equally claims, based on the best evidence each group of claimants believe when weighing up what they consider evidence, that they have.
Yes. I claim there is a God. You claim or counterclaim if you like that there is no God.
I claim that my claim is better. You claim that your claim is better.
My co-religionists say that In the beginning God was
You say In the beginning God was not.
I don't see how you don't see that both claims are equally claims, based on the best evidence each group of claimants believe when weighing up what they consider evidence, that they have.
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
Is atheism a form of religion?
Bryn Mawr;1303323 wrote: Not me - I've not stated my position in this, just your misuse of the English language. By saying that you are an Atheist and that there is no God you are taking the burden of proof onto yourself - you are saying, not just that the existence of God is unproven, but that God positively does not exist.
If you "know there is no God" then either prove it or admit that it is a statement of belief, there is no other choice.This is becoming circular. What proof would you like and I will provide it.
Incidentally, Bryn, I'm an evolutionist!
If you "know there is no God" then either prove it or admit that it is a statement of belief, there is no other choice.This is becoming circular. What proof would you like and I will provide it.
Incidentally, Bryn, I'm an evolutionist!
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
AussiePam;1303325 wrote: Yes. I claim there is a God. You claim or counterclaim if you like that there is no God.
I claim that my claim is better. You claim that your claim is better.
My co-religionists say that In the beginning God was
You say In the beginning God was not.
I don't see how you don't see that both claims are equally claims, based on the best evidence each group of claimants believe when weighing up what they consider evidence, that they have.No! You say "in the beginning God was" and I say "prove it!"
I claim that my claim is better. You claim that your claim is better.
My co-religionists say that In the beginning God was
You say In the beginning God was not.
I don't see how you don't see that both claims are equally claims, based on the best evidence each group of claimants believe when weighing up what they consider evidence, that they have.No! You say "in the beginning God was" and I say "prove it!"
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303328 wrote: This is becoming circular. What proof would you like and I will provide it.
Incidentally, Bryn, I'm an evolutionist!
It is not for me to say, the burden of proof is on you as it is you that is making the claim.
Incidentally, Bryn, I'm an evolutionist!
It is not for me to say, the burden of proof is on you as it is you that is making the claim.
Is atheism a form of religion?
Bryn Mawr;1303331 wrote: It is not for me to say, the burden of proof is on you as it is you that is making the claim.:wah::wah::wah:
you've got to be playing the devil's advocate, Bryn. You usually make more sense than this.
you've got to be playing the devil's advocate, Bryn. You usually make more sense than this.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303330 wrote: No! You say "in the beginning God was" and I say "prove it!"
Doh!!! But you're saying God wasn't. And I'm saying - prove that?
I accept that proving the existence of God - in the meaning assigned to the word prove - (with absolute certainly, beyond any possible doubt) is not possible.
I am saying that proving the non-existence of God - in the meaning assigned to the word prove - (with absolute certainly, beyond any possible of doubt), is also not possible.
So it comes down to the balance of probabilities, and on that we have different opinions, different beliefs.
Doh!!! But you're saying God wasn't. And I'm saying - prove that?
I accept that proving the existence of God - in the meaning assigned to the word prove - (with absolute certainly, beyond any possible doubt) is not possible.
I am saying that proving the non-existence of God - in the meaning assigned to the word prove - (with absolute certainly, beyond any possible of doubt), is also not possible.
So it comes down to the balance of probabilities, and on that we have different opinions, different beliefs.
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303332 wrote: :wah::wah::wah:
you've got to be playing the devil's advocate, Bryn. You usually make more sense than this.
And you usually follow a line of reasoning better than this.
it is very simple, by saying that you know that God does not exist you move from disputing another person's claim to making a positive claim of your own, hence, the burden of proof for this claim now lies on your shoulders.
Given that you know that God does not exist, prove it.
you've got to be playing the devil's advocate, Bryn. You usually make more sense than this.
And you usually follow a line of reasoning better than this.
it is very simple, by saying that you know that God does not exist you move from disputing another person's claim to making a positive claim of your own, hence, the burden of proof for this claim now lies on your shoulders.
Given that you know that God does not exist, prove it.
Is atheism a form of religion?
AussiePam;1303333 wrote: Doh!!! But you're saying God wasn't. And I'm saying - prove that?
I accept that proving the existence of God - in the meaning assigned to the word prove - (with absolute certainly, beyond any possible doubt) is not possible.
I am saying that proving the non-existence of God - in the meaning assigned to the word prove - (with absolute certainly, beyond any possible of doubt), is also not possible.
So it comes down to the balance of probabilities, and on that we have different opinions, different beliefs.I only say there is no God after you admit you can't prove there is a God. See!
Ahso!;1303313 wrote:
Person#1 - There is a God
Person#2 - Prove it!
Person#1 - I can't, I believe it by faith
Person#2 - Then there is no God until you prove there is.
I accept that proving the existence of God - in the meaning assigned to the word prove - (with absolute certainly, beyond any possible doubt) is not possible.
I am saying that proving the non-existence of God - in the meaning assigned to the word prove - (with absolute certainly, beyond any possible of doubt), is also not possible.
So it comes down to the balance of probabilities, and on that we have different opinions, different beliefs.I only say there is no God after you admit you can't prove there is a God. See!
Ahso!;1303313 wrote:
Person#1 - There is a God
Person#2 - Prove it!
Person#1 - I can't, I believe it by faith
Person#2 - Then there is no God until you prove there is.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303320 wrote: You wouldn't try because you can't.
Its not me who believes the case is unproven - thats you. I know there is no God! There is no belief in me at all concerning a God.
The term atheism exists only because it is a response to a very popular idea that there is a God. Its simply a word to communicate the fact that there is no such thing as God and never has been. We/I don't have to prove anything because we/I didn't make a claim.
That is not a claim?
Its not me who believes the case is unproven - thats you. I know there is no God! There is no belief in me at all concerning a God.
The term atheism exists only because it is a response to a very popular idea that there is a God. Its simply a word to communicate the fact that there is no such thing as God and never has been. We/I don't have to prove anything because we/I didn't make a claim.
That is not a claim?
Is atheism a form of religion?
Zapata;1303337 wrote:
That is not a claim?No, its a response to the idea there is a God.
Its amazing that simply because the claim that there is a God has been around for so long and has become widely accepted as fact that when people stand up and say "no there isn't', that response is seen as a claim.
Thats how much we've been brainwashed in this God thingy.
That is not a claim?No, its a response to the idea there is a God.
Its amazing that simply because the claim that there is a God has been around for so long and has become widely accepted as fact that when people stand up and say "no there isn't', that response is seen as a claim.
Thats how much we've been brainwashed in this God thingy.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303336 wrote: I only say there is no God after you admit you can't prove there is a God. See!
Chicken and egg stuff... and not meaningful.
Well, I gotta work. I'll catch up later. :sneaky:
Chicken and egg stuff... and not meaningful.
Well, I gotta work. I'll catch up later. :sneaky:
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
Is atheism a form of religion?
AussiePam;1303342 wrote: Chicken and egg stuff... and not meaningful
Well, I gotta work. I'll catch up later. :sneaky:I can see chickens and eggs. You're stretching, and not thinking sensibly.
Well, I gotta work. I'll catch up later. :sneaky:I can see chickens and eggs. You're stretching, and not thinking sensibly.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Your statement, "I know there is no God." implies that you have empirical knowledge or proof of the statement. I don't believe that you can prove there is no God.
Is atheism a form of religion?
Zapata;1303346 wrote: Your statement, "I know there is no God." implies that you have empirical knowledge or proof of the statement. I don't believe that you can prove there is no God.Its been proven. Show me God.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303350 wrote: Its been proven. Show me God.
It's been proven that there is NO God? How?
"Show me God." I can't do that. I can tell of instances of people who believe there is a God and why. As an agnostic I don't believe that you can know either way.
It's been proven that there is NO God? How?
"Show me God." I can't do that. I can tell of instances of people who believe there is a God and why. As an agnostic I don't believe that you can know either way.
Is atheism a form of religion?
Zapata;1303357 wrote: It's been proven that there is NO God? How?
"Show me God." I can't do that. I can tell of instances of people who believe there is a God and why. As an agnostic I don't believe that you can know either way.Then there is no God.
You can't make up a story, have it repeated for centuries so that it becomes so common that it melds into the daily conversational language of a society and call it fact. It still is not any more fact than it was when when it was first mumbled.
Well, it can't be done to some of us, anyway.
"Show me God." I can't do that. I can tell of instances of people who believe there is a God and why. As an agnostic I don't believe that you can know either way.Then there is no God.
You can't make up a story, have it repeated for centuries so that it becomes so common that it melds into the daily conversational language of a society and call it fact. It still is not any more fact than it was when when it was first mumbled.
Well, it can't be done to some of us, anyway.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
How has it been proven that there is NO God?
Is atheism a form of religion?
Zapata;1303366 wrote: How has it been proven that there is NO God?Besides the obvious such as this God actually showing up someplace?
Even if we consider the claims of those that profess God as real we see contradiction. for instance; 1) believers claim through the word (Christianity) that God provides a peace that passes all understanding, yet what we see is Christians involved in all manner of waring and fighting. 2) Christians claim that it will be wonderful to be with God for all eternity, yet Christians do everything they can to prolong life on earth. 3) Most historical claims in the christian bible have been shown to be untrue, not by setting out to disprove them but by the act of uncovering the actual facts of history. I could go on.
Its all a story, thats it, and it doesn't make any of it fact or true. If people want to continue to honor these things, be my guest, just stop telling the rest of us that it is fact.....it isn't.
Even if we consider the claims of those that profess God as real we see contradiction. for instance; 1) believers claim through the word (Christianity) that God provides a peace that passes all understanding, yet what we see is Christians involved in all manner of waring and fighting. 2) Christians claim that it will be wonderful to be with God for all eternity, yet Christians do everything they can to prolong life on earth. 3) Most historical claims in the christian bible have been shown to be untrue, not by setting out to disprove them but by the act of uncovering the actual facts of history. I could go on.
Its all a story, thats it, and it doesn't make any of it fact or true. If people want to continue to honor these things, be my guest, just stop telling the rest of us that it is fact.....it isn't.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303371 wrote: Besides the obvious such as this God actually showing up someplace?
Even if we consider the claims of those that profess God as real we see contradiction. for instance; 1) believers claim through the word (Christianity) that God provides a peace that passes all understanding, yet what we see is Christians involved in all manner of waring and fighting. 2) Christians claim that it will be wonderful to be with God for all eternity, yet Christians do everything they can to prolong life on earth. 3) Most historical claims in the christian bible have been shown to be untrue, not by setting out to disprove them but by the act of uncovering the actual facts of history. I could go on.
Its all a story, thats it, and it doesn't make any of it fact or true. If people want to continue to honor these things, be my guest, just stop telling the rest of us that it is fact.....it isn't.
Firstly, we are NOT here discussing Christianity and any perceived shortcomings of that religion. So none of these remarks are relevant.
Secondly, you assume your own position is fact and that any other position is fiction, and don't seem to get it that neither position is proven fact, which doesn't however necessarily make either of them fiction.
Thirdly, leaving aside the truth or non-truth of the premises we're both starting from:
There is a God / There is no God
Your argument structure is invalid, illogical.
After accusing both me and Bryn of being lacking in sense, you go on to deduce the non existence of God from Zapata's post as follows:
Z:I can't show you God, but I can give you reasons some others believe in God
Z:I believe there is insufficient evidence to prove either way.
A:Therefore there is no God
QED
If you are going to bring logic into the area of belief, you need to do it right.
If you wish to argue semantics, you need to check your term definitions.
If you wish to show that all believers are somehow intellectually inferior to atheists, you need to take better account of those believers, in Forum Garden for a start, who aren't the moronic sheep the more arrogant atheists in our midst consider us to be. Or mentally ill either - which seems to be the latest, rather desperate, label for anyone who dares to be a believer.
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Getting back to the opening post, did we ever decide whether or not atheism is a religion?
I've vacillated a bit on that. LarsMac suggested that the true opposite of atheism was theism but that is probably the key. I don't think theism is, itself, a religion, which makes me again think that atheism isn't in itself a religion either. Both are belief positions.
Even if we consider the claims of those that profess God as real we see contradiction. for instance; 1) believers claim through the word (Christianity) that God provides a peace that passes all understanding, yet what we see is Christians involved in all manner of waring and fighting. 2) Christians claim that it will be wonderful to be with God for all eternity, yet Christians do everything they can to prolong life on earth. 3) Most historical claims in the christian bible have been shown to be untrue, not by setting out to disprove them but by the act of uncovering the actual facts of history. I could go on.
Its all a story, thats it, and it doesn't make any of it fact or true. If people want to continue to honor these things, be my guest, just stop telling the rest of us that it is fact.....it isn't.
Firstly, we are NOT here discussing Christianity and any perceived shortcomings of that religion. So none of these remarks are relevant.
Secondly, you assume your own position is fact and that any other position is fiction, and don't seem to get it that neither position is proven fact, which doesn't however necessarily make either of them fiction.
Thirdly, leaving aside the truth or non-truth of the premises we're both starting from:
There is a God / There is no God
Your argument structure is invalid, illogical.
After accusing both me and Bryn of being lacking in sense, you go on to deduce the non existence of God from Zapata's post as follows:
Z:I can't show you God, but I can give you reasons some others believe in God
Z:I believe there is insufficient evidence to prove either way.
A:Therefore there is no God
QED
If you are going to bring logic into the area of belief, you need to do it right.
If you wish to argue semantics, you need to check your term definitions.
If you wish to show that all believers are somehow intellectually inferior to atheists, you need to take better account of those believers, in Forum Garden for a start, who aren't the moronic sheep the more arrogant atheists in our midst consider us to be. Or mentally ill either - which seems to be the latest, rather desperate, label for anyone who dares to be a believer.
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Getting back to the opening post, did we ever decide whether or not atheism is a religion?
I've vacillated a bit on that. LarsMac suggested that the true opposite of atheism was theism but that is probably the key. I don't think theism is, itself, a religion, which makes me again think that atheism isn't in itself a religion either. Both are belief positions.
"Life is too short to ski with ugly men"
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303274 wrote: If thats how you see it....I guess. But that isn't what I was saying.
I may agree that religion is an re/action to a belief in a God. But we haven't defined religion yet for the purposes of this thread. My definition would include rituals - beliefs - ceremonies -observances - celebrations and meditations (perhaps more but thats it off the top of my head).
Without religion there would be no need for atheism - it wouldn't exist.
"Join my religion!" and "Believe in [my] God!" are too separate statements that may recieve two entirely different responses. Atheism ceremonies consist of people publicly denouncing religion. They preach to others about how "God doesn't exist" as to how exactly they feel they're correct by simply "not observing God"? How can that be exactly? How can one prove God doesn't exist when they "hadn't seen God"?
Ahso!;1303274 wrote:
What I imagine you're getting at here, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that people who create and participate in religion are playing nicely and creatively and the atheist comes along and destroys it. If that is what you mean then I reject it because religion has proven itself to be actively destructive of the rights of others and violent. Sand castles just sit there.This is irrelevant to the discussion because what negates this argument is to simply suggest people murder and kill without fear of "God". Hitler is the epitome of a true "evolutionist", the very same label you're pleased to address yourself with(No implication). You know, "supreme white race" and all of that garbage
Ahso!;1303274 wrote:
Also, sand has physical properties and we know it exists instead of simply demanding or insisting that it exists without evidence. And how do you even know sand exists, Ahso!?
I may agree that religion is an re/action to a belief in a God. But we haven't defined religion yet for the purposes of this thread. My definition would include rituals - beliefs - ceremonies -observances - celebrations and meditations (perhaps more but thats it off the top of my head).
Without religion there would be no need for atheism - it wouldn't exist.
"Join my religion!" and "Believe in [my] God!" are too separate statements that may recieve two entirely different responses. Atheism ceremonies consist of people publicly denouncing religion. They preach to others about how "God doesn't exist" as to how exactly they feel they're correct by simply "not observing God"? How can that be exactly? How can one prove God doesn't exist when they "hadn't seen God"?
Ahso!;1303274 wrote:
What I imagine you're getting at here, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that people who create and participate in religion are playing nicely and creatively and the atheist comes along and destroys it. If that is what you mean then I reject it because religion has proven itself to be actively destructive of the rights of others and violent. Sand castles just sit there.This is irrelevant to the discussion because what negates this argument is to simply suggest people murder and kill without fear of "God". Hitler is the epitome of a true "evolutionist", the very same label you're pleased to address yourself with(No implication). You know, "supreme white race" and all of that garbage
Ahso!;1303274 wrote:
Also, sand has physical properties and we know it exists instead of simply demanding or insisting that it exists without evidence. And how do you even know sand exists, Ahso!?
Is atheism a form of religion?
Ahso!;1303330 wrote: No! You say "in the beginning God was" and I say "prove it!"
By anyone asking "prove it" illustrates your wish to participate in a question in which the lone answer is observed in response to either question, "does?" or "does not?". The only conclusion to this is that anyone that asks it is religious. Those that cannot care less then defines themselves as non-religious. Further, anyone that has the need to bring up any hint of reference in regards to the existence of God or not is defined as participating in their personal religious ceremony and includes atheism as being a form of religion
It's that simple
By anyone asking "prove it" illustrates your wish to participate in a question in which the lone answer is observed in response to either question, "does?" or "does not?". The only conclusion to this is that anyone that asks it is religious. Those that cannot care less then defines themselves as non-religious. Further, anyone that has the need to bring up any hint of reference in regards to the existence of God or not is defined as participating in their personal religious ceremony and includes atheism as being a form of religion
It's that simple
Is atheism a form of religion?
AussiePam;1303372 wrote: Firstly, we are NOT here discussing Christianity and any perceived shortcomings of that religion. So none of these remarks are relevant.
Secondly, you assume your own position is fact and that any other position is fiction, and don't seem to get it that neither position is proven fact, which doesn't however necessarily make either of them fiction.
Thirdly, leaving aside the truth or non-truth of the premises we're both starting from:
There is a God / There is no God
Your argument structure is invalid, illogical.
After accusing both me and Bryn of being lacking in sense, you go on to deduce the non existence of God from Zapata's post as follows:
Z:I can't show you God, but I can give you reasons some others believe in God
Z:I believe there is insufficient evidence to prove either way.
A:Therefore there is no God
QED
If you are going to bring logic into the area of belief, you need to do it right.
If you wish to argue semantics, you need to check your term definitions.
If you wish to show that all believers are somehow intellectually inferior to atheists, you need to take better account of those believers, in Forum Garden for a start, who aren't the moronic sheep the more arrogant atheists in our midst consider us to be. Or mentally ill either - which seems to be the latest, rather desperate, label for anyone who dares to be a believer.
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Getting back to the opening post, did we ever decide whether or not atheism is a religion?
I've vacillated a bit on that. LarsMac suggested that the true opposite of atheism was theism but that is probably the key. I don't think theism is, itself, a religion, which makes me again think that atheism isn't in itself a religion either. Both are belief positions.I'll say this about that and be done with it.
Child - Theres a Bogeyman is in the closet
Parent - No there isn't, the Bogeyman isn't real
Child - yes he is. I can feel him in the closet
Parent - I will show you there is no bogeyman. (parent opens door - no bogeyman)
How many doors do you need opened? Everyday of your life those doors have been opened time and time again and you still maintain there is someone there.
Sorry, but feelings just don't cut it. Belief is not fact and neither is faith.
I do notice that neither one of you have yet explained how to prove the negative of non-existence. Gods existence is not established in any way other than in peoples minds. I OTOH can tell you exactly how you can prove God's existence. Produce God!
And what I meant is your arguments regarding proof of non-existence are senseless, not you yourself. If I came across that way then I apologize. I don't think believers are intellectually inferior, thats you evading the subject and becoming defensive. I see you're trying to now make this about me.
Atheism is not a form of religion. It may be a new group taking form but it is not a form of religion.
Secondly, you assume your own position is fact and that any other position is fiction, and don't seem to get it that neither position is proven fact, which doesn't however necessarily make either of them fiction.
Thirdly, leaving aside the truth or non-truth of the premises we're both starting from:
There is a God / There is no God
Your argument structure is invalid, illogical.
After accusing both me and Bryn of being lacking in sense, you go on to deduce the non existence of God from Zapata's post as follows:
Z:I can't show you God, but I can give you reasons some others believe in God
Z:I believe there is insufficient evidence to prove either way.
A:Therefore there is no God
QED
If you are going to bring logic into the area of belief, you need to do it right.
If you wish to argue semantics, you need to check your term definitions.
If you wish to show that all believers are somehow intellectually inferior to atheists, you need to take better account of those believers, in Forum Garden for a start, who aren't the moronic sheep the more arrogant atheists in our midst consider us to be. Or mentally ill either - which seems to be the latest, rather desperate, label for anyone who dares to be a believer.
----
Getting back to the opening post, did we ever decide whether or not atheism is a religion?
I've vacillated a bit on that. LarsMac suggested that the true opposite of atheism was theism but that is probably the key. I don't think theism is, itself, a religion, which makes me again think that atheism isn't in itself a religion either. Both are belief positions.I'll say this about that and be done with it.
Child - Theres a Bogeyman is in the closet
Parent - No there isn't, the Bogeyman isn't real
Child - yes he is. I can feel him in the closet
Parent - I will show you there is no bogeyman. (parent opens door - no bogeyman)
How many doors do you need opened? Everyday of your life those doors have been opened time and time again and you still maintain there is someone there.
Sorry, but feelings just don't cut it. Belief is not fact and neither is faith.
I do notice that neither one of you have yet explained how to prove the negative of non-existence. Gods existence is not established in any way other than in peoples minds. I OTOH can tell you exactly how you can prove God's existence. Produce God!
And what I meant is your arguments regarding proof of non-existence are senseless, not you yourself. If I came across that way then I apologize. I don't think believers are intellectually inferior, thats you evading the subject and becoming defensive. I see you're trying to now make this about me.
Atheism is not a form of religion. It may be a new group taking form but it is not a form of religion.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
K.Snyder;1303374 wrote: Atheism ceremonies consist of people publicly denouncing religion. They preach to others about how "God doesn't exist" as to how exactly they feel they're correct by simply "not observing God"? How can that be exactly? How can one prove God doesn't exist when they "hadn't seen God"? Complete misrepresentation.
K.Snyder;1303374 wrote: This is irrelevant to the discussion because what negates this argument is to simply suggest people murder and kill without fear of "God". Hitler is the epitome of a true "evolutionist", the very same label you're pleased to address yourself with(No implication). You know, "supreme white race" and all of that garbage
Misunderstanding of evolution. But common!
K.Snyder;1303374 wrote: This is irrelevant to the discussion because what negates this argument is to simply suggest people murder and kill without fear of "God". Hitler is the epitome of a true "evolutionist", the very same label you're pleased to address yourself with(No implication). You know, "supreme white race" and all of that garbage
Misunderstanding of evolution. But common!
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is atheism a form of religion?
K.Snyder;1303375 wrote: By anyone asking "prove it" illustrates your wish to participate in a question in which the lone answer is observed in response to either question, "does?" or "does not?". The only conclusion to this is that anyone that asks it is religious. Those that cannot care less then defines themselves as non-religious. Further, anyone that has the need to bring up any hint of reference in regards to the existence of God or not is defined as participating in their personal religious ceremony and includes atheism as being a form of religion
It's that simpleI probably shouldn't bother, but I will out of respect.
Its dialogue, thats what people do. We exchange views and challenge one another regarding those views. We tell stories to each other and when we become too carried away with those stories, some stand up and say "enough! this is becoming too threatening and we're discovering new things which can now guide us further with less violent results."
Atheism is a challenging response to belief in God - nothing more. As the chorus gets louder it become threatening to those who may have never really challenged their own beliefs, but that does not make it a form of religion.
It's that simpleI probably shouldn't bother, but I will out of respect.
Its dialogue, thats what people do. We exchange views and challenge one another regarding those views. We tell stories to each other and when we become too carried away with those stories, some stand up and say "enough! this is becoming too threatening and we're discovering new things which can now guide us further with less violent results."
Atheism is a challenging response to belief in God - nothing more. As the chorus gets louder it become threatening to those who may have never really challenged their own beliefs, but that does not make it a form of religion.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple