I don't get it.

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:35 am

buttercup;1222905 wrote: Hi Samuel

How very nice to meet you. Thank you for responding to my questions.

Hi to you too.

buttercup;1222905 wrote:

Does science not answer how we came to exist? Why do you choose a creator over science?

I don’t. I think there is an intelligent designer behind the creation of the universe and I believe the designer is God. Some people think it was all an accident and don’t believe in an intelligent designer.

Science and God are compatible in my opinion.

buttercup;1222905 wrote:

Do you think people who do not believe in a god are just about having a good time and their lives have no meaning, surely not?

Depends on the person.

buttercup;1222905 wrote:

I think that's fair enough if you want to believe that, i struggle with that belief personally.

OK, but why?

buttercup;1222905 wrote:

Surely the same could be said for most groups or clubs?

OK. The thing I have in common with the members of my church is God and doing His work in this world.

buttercup;1222905 wrote:

I have yet to see a plain church, even the smallest most remote places have spectacular stained glass windows which must have cost a fortune but yes, i see your point in why you would want it to be a beautiful place and if your prepared to pay for it, fair enough.

We have stained glass windows in my church. The money was donated to the church to pay for them and if I remember correctly, by one person.

buttercup;1222905 wrote:

But you have just said the house of god should be beautiful, your contributions and those of your congregation payed for that and maintain it. It must make you feel better about yourself in doing so? EG: Putting a new roof on your church.

There is a good feeling in keeping the house of God repaired, but it does not make me feel like a “better person which is what you said.

I don’t need any material things to make me feel better in the eyes of God.

buttercup;1222905 wrote:

May i ask what religion you are or what your beliefs are in your religion? Also do you think there is only one god and all the other religions are wrong? Thanks.

I am a Trinitarian Protestant. I believe there is only one God and He is the God of Israel. I believe the New Testament teaches that Jesus, the Christ, is the only way to God.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:38 am

buttercup;1206055 wrote: Do you need something to believe in, why?

The very, very vast majority of people do. There are very few people are not religious, especially when they're in trouble. It's just a fact that people do this. Perhaps there's something behind it.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:52 am

Samuel;1222917 wrote:

OK, but why?

Because i do not believe there is a god and 'if' there was a jesus i don't believe he was the son of god.

There is a good feeling in keeping the house of God repaired, but it does not make me feel like a “better person which is what you said.

Ah your pedantic, i'll have to remember that.

I am a Trinitarian Protestant. I believe there is only one God and He is the God of Israel. I believe the New Testament teaches that Jesus, the Christ, is the only way to God.

I don't know much about Trinitarian Protestants so i've a few more questions.

Why is your god the God of Israel and not God of the whole world?

Did he create the whole world?

What are your beliefs in heaven and hell, afterlife?

What does Trinitarian mean, that you believe in three separate entities make up one God?

What do you mean by Jesus is the only way to God?

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:55 am

Bill Sikes;1222934 wrote: The very, very vast majority of people do. There are very few people are not religious, especially when they're in trouble. It's just a fact that people do this. Perhaps there's something behind it.

Do you believe it Bill? Are you a religious man?

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:57 am

buttercup;1222935 wrote: I don't know much about Trinitarian Protestants so i've a few more questions.

Why is your god the God of Israel and not God of the whole world?

Did he create the whole world?

What are your beliefs in heaven and hell, afterlife?

What does Trinitarian mean, that you believe in three separate entities make up one God?

What do you mean by Jesus is the only way to God?

buttercup, could you please not reply within quotes. It makes it very hard to reply. Thanks.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:01 am

Sorry i never seem to get the quote thing quite right hence making responses bold in type. Yes, i see your point. If you can persevere with the irritation of it meantime i will do my best to correct it.

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:18 am

buttercup;1222939 wrote: Sorry i never seem to get the quote thing quite right hence making responses bold in type. Yes, i see your point. If you can persevere with the irritation of it meantime i will do my best to correct it.

I just lost my response to you. Stay tuned and I will recreate it.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:20 am

My next client is about to arrive (i work from home) but i will certainly pop back in later this evening

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:24 am

buttercup;1222935 wrote:

Because i do not believe there is a god and 'if' there was a jesus i don't believe he was the son of god.

Well, extra-biblical history shows that Jesus did exist. What do you mean by “son of god? Perhaps when I know your definition, I will tell you I don't believe it either.

buttercup;1222935 wrote:

I don't know much about Trinitarian Protestants so i've a few more questions.

Why is your god the God of Israel and not God of the whole world?

He is the God of the whole world. There is only one Creator and I believe He is the God of Israel.

buttercup;1222935 wrote:

Did he create the whole world?

Yes.

buttercup;1222935 wrote:

What are your beliefs in heaven and hell, afterlife?

I don't concern myself much with either one. "Heaven" is being with God forever and "hell" is not being with God forever and knowing it.

buttercup;1222935 wrote:

What does Trinitarian mean, that you believe in three separate entities make up one God?

A Trinitarian believes God is triune in nature -- one God in three "persons" -- not persons like we are persons -- but the same in divine substance. One Being.

buttercup;1222935 wrote:

What do you mean by Jesus is the only way to God?

It's biblical.

John 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Acts 4:

8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: "Rulers and elders of the people! 9If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a cripple and are asked how he was healed, 10then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11He is

" 'the stone you builders rejected,

which has become the capstone.[a]' 12Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:46 am

Hi Samuel

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you, the weekend has turned out busier than i expected. Your responses interested me.

The Jesus thing - I'm of the opinion Jesus was some kind of David Blaine of his time.

I still don't get why you keep refering to God as the God of Israel and not just 'God'. What's the significance of adding 'Israel'

If heaven is being with god and hell is not being with god, you must view all non believers as being in hell, therefore in your opinion, i'm in hell?

This same in divine substance thing you speak of seems to me that you are saying Jesus is God, is that correct? If so then why does the quote you have given me from Peter state - 'but whom God raised from the dead' when speaking of Jesus.

That quote separates them as two distinct people surely?

Last but most important, how do you know that what you read in your bible is true? What proof do you have?

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:39 am

buttercup;1223946 wrote:

Hi Samuel

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you, the weekend has turned out busier than i expected. Your responses interested me.

The Jesus thing - I'm of the opinion Jesus was some kind of David Blaine of his time.

OK.

buttercup;1223946 wrote:

I still don't get why you keep refering to God as the God of Israel and not just 'God'. What's the significance of adding 'Israel'

People believe in a lot of gods. I believe there is only one and He is the God revealed in the Old Testament. He is the God who revealed Himself to Israel. So I make a distinction between any other god and the one God I believe is the only true God, the Creator of all.

buttercup;1223946 wrote:

If heaven is being with god and hell is not being with god, you must view all non believers as being in hell, therefore in your opinion, i'm in hell?

When we are resurrected after we die a physical death, I believe those who did not believe in God will know they made a mistake, but will realize it is too late to do anything about it. I don’t believe in the burning in fire hell. It will be a mental “hell. That is my view; other Christians may not agree with me.

buttercup;1223946 wrote:

This same in divine substance thing you speak of seems to me that you are saying Jesus is God, is that correct? If so then why does the quote you have given me from Peter state - 'but whom God raised from the dead' when speaking of Jesus.

Jesus was also human and God raised Jesus’ human body to life after His death. He was 100% divine in nature; and 100% human in nature.

buttercup;1223946 wrote:

That quote separates them as two distinct people surely?

God is not a “people. God is Spirit.

John 1:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

buttercup;1223946 wrote:

Last but most important, how do you know that what you read in your bible is true? What proof do you have?

Prophecies; Archaeological evidence; Historical evidence; textual criticism; and faith.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:13 am

Hi Samuel

Oh boy this is confusing stuff, it does not seem rational or logical.

Right, you are saying God and Jesus are separate, God raised Jesus ect.

You are saying God is a spirit, is he the holy spirit? If God is the holy spirit how do you make up your trinity, who's the third?

I don't know much about the bible but i will browse your 'John 1' section as that seems quite a jump between two short sentances.

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:46 am

buttercup;1223990 wrote: Hi Samuel

Oh boy this is confusing stuff, it does not seem rational or logical.

Right, you are saying God and Jesus are separate, God raised Jesus ect.

You are saying God is a spirit, is he the holy spirit? If God is the holy spirit how do you make up your trinity, who's the third?

I don't know much about the bible but i will browse your 'John 1' section as that seems quite a jump between two short sentances.

It looks like you were never a Christian or studied Christianity. Right?

Were you ever a member of any religion?

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:40 am

buttercup;1223990 wrote: Hi Samuel

Oh boy this is confusing stuff, it does not seem rational or logical.

Right, you are saying God and Jesus are separate, God raised Jesus ect.

You are saying God is a spirit, is he the holy spirit? If God is the holy spirit how do you make up your trinity, who's the third?

I don't know much about the bible but i will browse your 'John 1' section as that seems quite a jump between two short sentances.

It can be confusing but I don't consider the concept of the Trinity irrational or illogical.

I am probably one of the last Christians who should be trying to explain it; I still have questions.

Jesus of Nazareth was born about 2,000 years ago.

However, the Word of God who incarnated the human body of Jesus is eternal. There was never a time He wasn’t.

The Trinity is Father, Son/Word, and Holy Spirit.

Here are some links that explain it:

What is the Trinity? | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

The Trinity | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:19 am

Samuel;1224019 wrote: It looks like you were never a Christian or studied Christianity. Right?

Were you ever a member of any religion?

I was raised by protestants, i enjoyed bible stories as much as i enjoyed any other stories as a child.

I have not studied Christianity or any other religion, to be honest they all sound as far fetched to me as each other but i do have an interest in why people believe in them.

As a child i believed in God, i also believed in the Tooth fairy and Santa.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:21 am

Samuel;1224043 wrote: It can be confusing but I don't consider the concept of the Trinity irrational or illogical.

I am probably one of the last Christians who should be trying to explain it; I still have questions.

Jesus of Nazareth was born about 2,000 years ago.

However, the Word of God who incarnated the human body of Jesus is eternal. There was never a time He wasn’t.

The Trinity is Father, Son/Word, and Holy Spirit.

Here are some links that explain it:

What is the Trinity? | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

The Trinity | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

Thank you for the links, i enjoyed reading them. This stood out to me as a good explanation but completely unbelievable.

God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are all the one God.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:59 pm

Unfortunately far too many folks read the Bible in a literal sense.

The Bible is not a history book or a science book. It is a religious book which is better understood when one grasps the concept of midrash which was the ancient style of the writing and interpretation of the Hebrew Sacred Scriptures. This style makes a great deal of use of metaphor. It also uses former stories in defining a new event. The proper question to ask of scriptural passages is not "Did it really happen this way?" but "What did it mean for the writers and what does it mean for us today?"

The Trinity is a metaphor for the three ways in which it would seem that God has manifest Itself to some groups in the world. Yes it is incomprehensible outside of the concept of metaphor which is the only language that can be used to discuss the Divine regardless of one's particular faith.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:13 pm

I just posted this elsewhere but it may have some value here.

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This is indeed an interesting

Posted on: 08/02/2009 18:31

This is indeed an interesting question.

"In any discussion of the nature of God, it should never be forgotten that to describe Jesus as 'the Son of God' is to involke a familiar analogy to describe something that is, by definition indescribable. When Jesus took the human relationship of child to parent, and said 'My relationship with God is a bit like that' this was never intended to be a literal statement about the being of God. Talk of God as 'father' is not to be understood as a claim that God is male, though generations of Christians have uncritically made that assumption. Nor indeed is even the parent-child image meant to be applied inflexibly." p71, "Introducing the New Testament", John Drane.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:15 pm

Ted;1224299 wrote: I just posted this elsewhere but it may have some value here.

image image

This is indeed an interesting

Posted on: 08/02/2009 18:31

This is indeed an interesting question.

"In any discussion of the nature of God, it should never be forgotten that to describe Jesus as 'the Son of God' is to involke a familiar analogy to describe something that is, by definition indescribable. When Jesus took the human relationship of child to parent, and said 'My relationship with God is a bit like that' this was never intended to be a literal statement about the being of God. Talk of God as 'father' is not to be understood as a claim that God is male, though generations of Christians have uncritically made that assumption. Nor indeed is even the parent-child image meant to be applied inflexibly." p71, "Introducing the New Testament", John Drane.

Shalom

Ted:-6 Good to see you Ted.

Shalom :-6

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:46 am

buttercup;1224100 wrote: Thank you for the links, i enjoyed reading them. This stood out to me as a good explanation but completely unbelievable.

God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are all the one God.

And the concept of the Trinity is biblical.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:01 am

No it's a catholic thing.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:26 am

Ted;1224211 wrote: Unfortunately far too many folks read the Bible in a literal sense.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Hi Ted. I would say its fortunate folks read it in a literal sence.

Samuel;1224457 wrote: And the concept of the Trinity is biblical.

Making it a story.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:26 am

fuzzywuzzy;1224468 wrote: No it's a catholic thing.

I don't think the catholics would agree with you there Fuzzy :wah:

cigar898 · Post by **cigar898** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:41 am

Peg;1206106 wrote: What I don't get is people who go to church ever week, never missing, yet you see them in the bar drunk, talking nasty about people behind their backs, etc. If that is what religion is all about, it's not for me.

And while I was overseas I would see drunk Americans making asses out of themselves and yet they are always told they are "Ambassadors of the US and should act as such.

Why do they do that?

Basically what’s your point? Have you ever driven drunk but yet ‘cursed’ the drunk driver who killed 7 people? It’s called being a hypocrite.

cigar898 · Post by **cigar898** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:46 am

Kathy Ellen;1206185 wrote: Muhamed....Your religious beliefs are your own, and it's your opinion.

I have not met anyone who could convince me that there is a supreme being who created the world. I'm not denying the fact that there may be a supreme being, but I have no proof. I'm not going to believe the words in a book written by human beings.

I do wonder how the world was created and understand the scientific point of view, but do not understand why I would believe messages written in a book to be the truth.

You just did a 'double negative' Kathy. You stated that why should you believe something written by man about a supreme being and then turned around and stated that you believe the scientifics of how the earth was created. Where did you learn that? Reading a book? Was there an author who observed the earth being created?

cigar898 · Post by **cigar898** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:48 am

flopstock;1206196 wrote: I no more want to know a god who demands worship then i want to date a man who is constantly demanding that I admire what he does or how he looks.

To my mind, if there is a god and she is good... she will look and judge us based on how we treated each other and whoa be damned to anyone who dared to hurt anyone else in her name..

Religion is simply an out. Faith in anything is hard to maintain over time. Belief in each other would be our best bet.. but we won't take it.. never have.

Boy are you going to hvae a hard time staying married....if you are.

cigar898 · Post by **cigar898** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:50 am

Kathy Ellen;1206339 wrote: Are you talking to yourself again NV:yh_rotfl ?

Remember that you can talk to yourself, answer yourself, but for Heaven's sake....DON'T INTERRUPT YOURSELF:wah:

May I use that last line? I love it! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

cigar898 · Post by **cigar898** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:59 am

Odie;1206340 wrote: I know a women who faithfully goes to church every Sunday and prays to her god, and she is having an affair with a married man.......

yeah, like she really worships her god.......I don` t think so!:-5:-5

so much for her beliefs.

Your personal opinion. Thank you for sharing. Now how does that relate to the topic? So she is an adulterer. What has that got to do with why someone worships? What she is doing refers to breaking a commandment.

cigar898 · Post by **cigar898** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:09 am

Whether we believe in God or not, all of us must make certain assumptions (Presuppositions) about the world, how it came into being and ourselves. In other words, all of us have to assume certain things to be true without necessarily being able to directly prove them true. The question is, "what assumptions do we make and why do we make them?" Are our assumptions reasonable or unreasonable? Are they based on any evidence other than just how we feel or our own opinions?

Where do we start when we think about God, the universe and ourselves. We can go either one of two directions, but we must go toward one of them. Either one course or the other is true.

Religious (R)

Something exists.

Scecular (S)

Nothing exists.

R - Something has always (eternally) existed.

S- Something came from nothing.

R - Something that's always existed is personal and non-physical (spiritual) in

nature.

S - Something that's always(?) existed is impersonal and physical in nature.

R - The eternal personal being who is responsible for creating the universe and all

that is in it is the God that is revealed in the Bible.

S - ?

Or better yet......

Beliefs (Faith...Yes I typed Faith) of Atheism

God Does Not Exist.

Matter is Eternal

Spontaneous Generation - Life Comes From Nothing.

The Orderly Universe Has Been Produced By Unintelligent Chance.

Intelligent, Moral Men Have Come From Unintelligent, Non-moral Matter.

Results of Atheistic Faith

No Absolute Moral Standard In The World.

No Human Hope Beyond The Grave.

cigar898 · Post by **cigar898** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:12 am

Buttercup.....

You asked us to defend our faith (I'm Catholic) without using quotes from the Bible....then I ask you to explain creation without using a book or T.V. and no knowledge that you gained from a book or T.V.

(Why no T.V./because people believed in God before there was television

)

cigar898 · Post by **cigar898** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:13 am

By the way, Hi Ted!

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:17 am

cigar:-6

Welcome.

Shalom

Ted:-6

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:47 am

cigar898;1233069 wrote: Buttercup.....

You asked us to defend our faith (I'm Catholic) without using quotes from the Bible....then I ask you to explain creation without using a book or T.V. and no knowledge that you gained from a book or T.V.

(Why no T.V./because people believed in God before there was television

)

Hi Cigar

I apologize for not answering how i explain creation (I can't actually find the post where you asked me to explain it) Perhaps your just asking now in the above post?

My answer is i do not know (for certain) but to expect me to believe it was created by a 'God' i just find illogical.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:30 am

cigar898;1233067 wrote:

Results of Atheistic Faith

No Absolute Moral Standard In The World.

No Human Hope Beyond The Grave.

Interesting. Where did our moral standards come from before Christianity. We've beeen around for millions of years but your saying our morality didnt evolve untill the introduction of Christianity. What about the morality of those millions of people around the globe untouched - as yet - by the Christian/Muslim missionaries.

Are you suggesting that Athiests are unable to be moral ?

I would suggest otherwise. As an Athiest I know the rules of right conduct. I know what is right and what is wrong. Its inherrant. As it was before Islam and Christianity showed up.

I know not to kill, not because it was written in a commandment but because I know it is wrong. Just as the tribesman living in the Brazillian jungle, who has never heard of your God, knows it is wrong. Is he unable to understand morality ?

cigar898 · Post by **cigar898** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:17 pm

Snowfire;1233261 wrote: Interesting. Where did our moral standards come from before Christianity. We've beeen around for millions of years but your saying our morality didnt evolve untill the introduction of Christianity. What about the morality of those millions of people around the globe untouched - as yet - by the Christian/Muslim missionaries.

Are you suggesting that Athiests are unable to be moral ?

I would suggest otherwise. As an Athiest I know the rules of right conduct. I know what is right and what is wrong. Its inherrant. As it was before Islam and Christianity showed up.

I know not to kill, not because it was written in a commandment but because I know it is wrong. Just as the tribesman living in the Brazillian jungle, who has never heard of your God, knows it is wrong. Is he unable to understand morality ?

Sorry but ask any sociologist and they will tell you, morals are not inherrant. They are learned from parents and interaction with others. As for the ancients being moral or not. Do you ahve proof that they were moral? Where are the written records? Please show that data to back up that statement (not being sarcastic sir, sometimes one will read these and mis-interpret without facial/voice markers).

Atheists and morals? Of course Atheists have morals. If they didn't they would be running around amok doing bad things. But an atheist learns morals from parents and the parents learn their morals from thewir parents...it's a viscious cycle!

Somewhere in that family tree, a relative wasn't an atheist and thus passes on faith values and morals. Whether you want to or not, morals are "absorbed" from relations.......and not everybody is atheist.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:16 pm

Actually if one reads Karen Armstrong's book "The Great Transformation" they will notice that she has convincingly shown that justice and compassion were part of many ancient cultures thousands of years before Christianity.

Shalom

Mate:-6

luciferjohn · Post by **luciferjohn** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:26 pm

buttercup;1206055 wrote: In your own words without quoting some holy book please.

Why do you feel the need for gods, religion, praying, churches, temples whatever you call your place of worship.

Do you need something to believe in, why?

personally , i think people need their god/gods to give them something to believ in because they are disillusioned with reality, our governments suck, our countries a fighting or close to it, and hate is everywhere, most of us want peace, and we get it from our beliefs whether your christian/ pegan/ athiest what we believe in gives us comfort,unfortunatly we dont think anyone else can be comfortable believing in something else and thats where most of the trouble begins.

does that help?:D

luciferjohn · Post by **luciferjohn** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:32 pm

Ted;1234308 wrote: Actually if one reads Karen Armstrong's book "The Great Transformation" they will notice that she has convincingly shown that justice and compassion were part of many ancient cultures thousands of years before Christianity.

Shalom

Mate:-6

true the ancient cultures had morals similar to christan morals , to be exact they found a piller in babalon, that had 10 laws written on it, those laws where verbatem the 10 commandments, the piller was carved, before the christian faith was thought of,even before the jews were realesed from captivity,

:Dhope that helps:D

KSnyder · Post by **KSnyder** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:20 pm

My only "religion" is to care about people and so I look at that as a "religion" and have to say that it's not about having the need to believe in something so much so that it's not having the desire to ignore what "you" believe! As much as it may appear, people do not invent religion. They can't if they were to respectfully consider themselves "a true believer" it's just not pragmatically intelligent!

The difference being in the interpretation from ONE HUMAN BEING TO ANOTHER(And I'm not yelling at you I'm yelling at "THEM!!!!!"...) Which raises the blatant fact that anyone that considers themselves "religious" completely contradicts their suggestion that their "god" is The One True God. If "you" suggest your "religion" is the one true "religion" then that would mean all other "religions" are false ultimately meaning "you'd" have absolutely no use for the very word "religion" at all! Lest "you'd" invented it!

Nothing at all wrong with "religion"! Just another opinion among many! Everything wrong with the interpretations that romanticizes the idea that being complacent with fear is in the "public's" best interests! Sadly mistaken! Thus we have blame which preludes resentment!

What's left is retaining the "right" to call ones self "religious" all to justify cold blooded murder and having the audacity to sleep at night! How the

else would one feel the need to consider themselves "religious"!?!??!?!?(And I'm not yelling at you I'm yelling at "THEM!!!!!"...)

sunshine4486 · Post by **sunshine4486** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:56 pm

Honey, it is a natural thing it is born into all of us to want to belong, to have a guide, and to feel that we are loved as the person you are. It is what we all have come to call God he helps us guides us it is so natural; for us to do things right it is natural for us to be loved, to want to love. He is Love he started the whole thing about Love..

God is Love, dear he created love.

I hope you find him, because he is wanting for you to.

:-6