A lapse of common sense: the creative writing exercise

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:58 pm

I know people much much worse than spot. I count my lucky stars I found him!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:59 pm

SnoozeAgain;1397337 wrote: Spot, this is a good example of why you annoy so many people here. The job description has NOTHING to do with the video showing how she was treated. But you have to focus on something completely off topic, fussing over it and distracting from the actual subject at hand. But an effective method to detract the thread away from other members posts back to focusing on himself.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:00 pm

oscar;1397332 wrote: http://www.paterson.k12.nj.us/staff/job ... onitor.pdf
Aren't all those job functions performed on school buses in England by the driver?

Weren't all those job functions performed on school buses in America by the driver too?

When did Bus Monitoring suddenly happen? And why? Who benefits?

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:00 pm

AnneBoleyn;1397338 wrote: I know people much much worse than spot. I count my lucky stars I found him!

He was certainly sent to try us :wah::wah:

Does the way we react say more about us than about him though?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:01 pm

Betty Boop;1397341 wrote: He was certainly sent to try us :wah::wah:

Does the way we react say more about us than about him though?

I find you all a jolly bunch!!!!!!!!!!!!

theia · Post by **theia** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:02 pm

Betty Boop;1397341 wrote: He was certainly sent to try us :wah::wah:

Does the way we react say more about us than about him though?

No

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:03 pm

spot;1397340 wrote: Aren't all those job functions performed on school buses in England by the driver?

Weren't all those job functions performed on school buses in America by the driver too?

When did Bus Monitoring suddenly happen? And why? Who benefits?

Possibly because if you're driving you need to be actually concentrating on the road!! Kids are now so disruptive the bus would be permanently stopped whilst the driver sorted the fights out.

What a bloody stupid question.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:14 pm

Betty Boop;1397344 wrote: Possibly because if you're driving you need to be actually concentrating on the road!! Kids are now so disruptive the bus would be permanently stopped whilst the driver sorted the fights out.

What a bloody stupid question.

I watched the video. Those are some pretty nasty kids! In my day, if I had said anything like that to a driver or bus monitor I would have been in detention so long that I might still be there. One especially nasty comment to the monitor got to me. The poor woman is a widow and the comment about how she is alone because her family would kill themselves rather than be around her was pretty ugly.

The good news is that the video went viral and someone set up a fund for her to go on a nice vacation away from the nasty little brats. The last time I checked, they had raised enough for a nice long vacation.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:18 pm

Wandrin;1397347 wrote: I watched the video. Those are some pretty nasty kids! In my day, if I had said anything like that to a driver or bus monitor I would have been in detention so long that I might still be there. One especially nasty comment to the monitor got to me. The poor woman is a widow and the comment about how she is alone because her family would kill themselves rather than be around her was pretty ugly.

The good news is that the video went viral and someone set up a fund for her to go on a nice vacation away from the nasty little brats. The last time I checked, they had raised enough for a nice long vacation.

Even worse, one of her sons committed suicide 10 years ago. I would never have even thought the things those kids were saying, when did we get this bad that our children are completely out of control like this?

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:24 pm

SnoozeAgain;1397348 wrote: Even worse, one of her sons committed suicide 10 years ago. I would never have even thought the things those kids were saying, when did we get this bad that our children are completely out of control like this?

Perhaps it's a reaction to your deciding to invent Bus Monitors.

Regardless of what the Boop's saying, we don't have them in England and the bus driver here most definitely does perform the job functions listed in that linked PDF file.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:27 pm

spot;1397350 wrote: Perhaps it's a reaction to your deciding to invent Bus Monitors.

Regardless of what the Boop's saying, we don't have them in England and the bus driver here most definitely does perform the job functions listed in that linked PDF file.

Likely scenario.....

Bus driver In England Is doing 50 MPH up the M4 In torrential rain........ fight breaks out between kids on bus.... one kid Is getting his head kicked In..... He deals with this how exactly ?

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:28 pm

Betty Boop;1397344 wrote: Possibly because if you're driving you need to be actually concentrating on the road!! Kids are now so disruptive the bus would be permanently stopped whilst the driver sorted the fights out.

What a bloody stupid question.

And what's more, just to respond directly to that, not long ago I asked a lad on a bus in Bristol predominantly filled with children from the same school what school he attended. He did admittedly give me an odd look and asked why I wanted to know, and then he told me. The noise level was minimal, nobody shrieked, quiet prevailed and the conversations I could here going on were perfectly respectable.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:29 pm

oscar;1397351 wrote: Likely scenario.....

Bus driver In England Is doing 50 MPH up the M4 In torrential rain........ fight breaks out between kids on bus.... one kid Is getting his head kicked In..... He deals with this how exactly ?
Just so I know, are you suggesting Bus Monitors exist on such buses in England?

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:31 pm

spot;1397353 wrote: Just so I know, are you suggesting Bus Monitors exist on such buses in England?

There's something wrong with you.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:38 pm

spot;1397353 wrote: Just so I know, are you suggesting Bus Monitors exist on such buses in England? Not that I am aware of but my post was Inresponse to your ridiculous notion that a bus driver Is responsible for controlling school children on the bus.

Would you care to answer my question? If the bus driver Is responsible for the control of children on his bus, how does he stop a fight whilst doing 50 mph up the M4 motorway In torrential rain ?

You are way out of touch Spot. Most buses are private companies. The driver Is employed by the bus company, not the school.

In fact, Bus monitors are a damn good Idea.... much bullying takes place on the bus to and fro school.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:40 pm

spot;1397352 wrote: And what's more, just to respond directly to that, not long ago I asked a lad on a bus in Bristol predominantly filled with children from the same school what school he attended. He did admittedly give me an odd look and asked why I wanted to know, and then he told me. The noise level was minimal, nobody shrieked, quiet prevailed and the conversations I could here going on were perfectly respectable.

lol couldn't resist seeing as you get so pedantic about the use of English.

Well, I must be lying then, my son's school have had no problems whatsoever and no teachers or ta's have been required to travel on buses due to problem children.

May I point out that you were travelling on public transport, a bus for school kids and the public. Bus monitors tend to be on buses that are purely full of school kids.

And... whilst I remember, I never caught a bus to and from school, but I recall the bus wars that went on back in my day. Each school had their own bus service running and kids from the opposite school that walked would buy eggs in the local shop and pelt the other school bus with them as it passed by them. The other school retaliated by doing the same, this then escalated to kids on the buses buying eggs and then pelting eggs at the kids on the roadside. There was hell up, the buses were cancelled and the parents went nuts. When the service resumed, teachers were on the buses to make sure it didn't happen again.

I'd just like to add, I've never thrown an egg in my life :wah:

theia · Post by **theia** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:42 pm

spot;1397352 wrote: And what's more, just to respond directly to that, not long ago I asked a lad on a bus in Bristol predominantly filled with children from the same school what school he attended. He did admittedly give me an odd look and asked why I wanted to know, and then he told me. The noise level was minimal, nobody shrieked, quiet prevailed and the conversations I could here going on were perfectly respectable.

I wonder how many school children-carrying buses there are in the UK?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:43 pm

Betty Boop;1397357 wrote: lol couldn't resist seeing as you get so pedantic about the use of English.

Well, I must be lying then, my son's school have had no problems whatsoever and no teachers or ta's have been required to travel on buses due to problem children.

May I point out that you were travelling on public transport, a bus for school kids and the public. Bus monitors tend to be on buses that are purely full of school kids.

And... whilst I remember, I never caught a bus to and from school, but I recall the bus wars that went on back in my day. Each school had their own bus service running and kids from the opposite school that walked would buy eggs in the local shop and pelt the other school bus with them as it passed by them. The other school retaliated by doing the same, this then escalated to kids on the buses buying eggs and then pelting eggs at the kids on the roadside. There was hell up, the buses were cancelled and the parents went nuts. When the service resumed, teachers were on the buses to make sure it didn't happen again.

I'd just like to add, I've never thrown an egg in my life :wah: My Fathers coaches were hired by our local schools for school runs when he had his coach company. I don't recall any of that. My Mother used to Inspect each coach after use for cleaning. The odd bit of litter but nothing like that.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:50 pm

oscar;1397355 wrote: Not that I am aware of but my post was Inresponse to your ridiculous notion that a bus driver Is responsible for controlling school children on the bus.

Would you care to answer my question? If the bus driver Is responsible for the control of children on his bus, how does he stop a fight whilst doing 50 mph up the M4 motorway In torrential rain ?

You are way out of touch Spot. Most buses are private companies. The driver Is employed by the bus company, not the school.

In fact, Bus monitors are a damn good Idea.... much bullying takes place on the bus to and fro school.

I only asked whether you were suggesting there was likely to be a Bus Monitor on your "likely scenario". So, given that we both seem to agree there won't be, you can tell us - how does the bus driver currently deal with this exactly. Because, if it's a likely scenario, he presumably does deal with it at the moment.

Personally I don't think it's a likely scenario at all, but do tell us.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:51 pm

oscar;1397359 wrote: My Fathers coaches were hired by our local schools for school runs when he had his coach company. I don't recall any of that. My Mother used to Inspect each coach after use for cleaning. The odd bit of litter but nothing like that.

Back then it wasn't just down to unruly kids, it was more to do with a huge rivalry between the two secondary schools in this area. One school, my school was originally the grammar school, the other was a purpose built new style secondary. The pupils of the original grammar school seemed to think they were better than the kids at the other school. I really don't know where the idea came from but the taunting of the other kids was at an all time high when I was there and there were constant battles going on.

It's not like that now, I was surprised to hear that the buses now serve both schools, the other school that I went too kicks their kids out fifteen minutes before my sons school so they call at both schools, I remember thinking to myself when I heard that that it wouldn't have happened in my day :wah:

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:52 pm

theia;1397358 wrote: I wonder how many school children-carrying buses there are in the UK?

Significantly more than there are secondary schools, I'd have thought.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:55 pm

Betty Boop;1397357 wrote: May I point out that you were travelling on public transport, a bus for school kids and the public. Bus monitors tend to be on buses that are purely full of school kids.
I was travelling on a bus that had started its route at a secondary school in order to fill up with children. It stops at bus stops and if someone wants to board there they can board. I'm quite sure buses do the same in your neck of the woods.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:55 pm

spot;1397360 wrote: I only asked whether you were suggesting there was likely to be a Bus Monitor on your "likely scenario". So, given that we both seem to agree there won't be, you can tell us - how does the bus driver currently deal with this exactly. Because, if it's a likely scenario, he presumably does deal with it at the moment.

Personally I don't think it's a likely scenario at all, but do tell us.

I'll tell you what... Instead of you squirming the question back to me, how about answering my question ?

You stated that the bus driver Is responsible for controlling school children on his bus. Most schools use private bus companies so the drver Is employed by the bus company and not the school.

Thus Spot... YOU explain In what capacity and how he can control children on his bus If a fight breaks out ?

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:58 pm

spot;1397360 wrote: I only asked whether you were suggesting there was likely to be a Bus Monitor on your "likely scenario". So, given that we both seem to agree there won't be, you can tell us - how does the bus driver currently deal with this exactly. Because, if it's a likely scenario, he presumably does deal with it at the moment.

Personally I don't think it's a likely scenario at all, but do tell us.

I think it's something that could happen on some buses in the future. It's not unusual to witness a teacher boarding a bus and having words with the driver, the teacher then addresses the whole bus, I've over-heard the head teacher at my son's school telling the children that because their behaviour is so bad the bus driver is threatening to no longer do the job and it will be down to the pupils to explain why they can't get the bus to school to their parents.

I took my next door neighbours son to school every day for his last year or so because he kept getting into trouble on the bus.

My ex husbands niece is a bus driver and she doesn't relish being on the school run rota at all.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:00 pm

oscar;1397364 wrote: I'll tell you what... Instead of you squirming the question back to me, how about answering my question ?

You stated that the bus driver Is responsible for controlling school children on his bus. Most schools use private bus companies so the drver Is employed by the bus company and not the school.

Thus Spot... YOU explain In what capacity and how he can control children on his bus If a fight breaks out ?

I don't think the circumstance arises any more than a fight between adults on a public bus. You think it's a likely scenario - does that mean you think it happens? If it does, what does the bus driver do now?

Were I a bus driver at 50mph on any bus on the M4 in torrential rain on which a fight breaks out, I'd immobilize the bus on the hard shoulder and call base for police assistance. Bear in mind there are video cameras on all these buses.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:05 pm

spot;1397366 wrote: I don't think the circumstance arises any more than a fight between adults on a public bus. You think it's a likely scenario - does that mean you think it happens? If it does, what does the bus driver do now?

Were I a bus driver at 50mph on any bus on the M4 in torrential rain on which a fight breaks out, I'd immobilize the bus on the hard shoulder and call base for police assistance.

Forget do I think It happens.... are you stating that no fight has ever broken out on a school bus and no fight ever will ?

So, by pulling onto the hard shoulder and phoning 999... In effect, the bus driver Is not controlling the school children on the bus as you stated Is he? So you are contradicting yourself.

What he Is doing by your reply, Is parking up and waiting for the police to arrive and control the children. That's not ' the driver Is responsible for controlling the school children on his bus' Is It ?

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:07 pm

spot;1397366 wrote: I don't think the circumstance arises any more than a fight between adults on a public bus. You think it's a likely scenario - does that mean you think it happens? If it does, what does the bus driver do now?

Were I a bus driver at 50mph on any bus on the M4 in torrential rain on which a fight breaks out, I'd immobilize the bus on the hard shoulder and call base for police assistance. Bear in mind there are video cameras on all these buses.

No there isn't

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:11 pm

Betty Boop;1397368 wrote: No there isn't

There are on all First Bus vehicles, which is what serves Bristol.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:13 pm

spot;1397369 wrote: There are on all First Bus vehicles, which is what serves Bristol.

This Is Interesting:

Tackling School Bus Bullying - Article - Campus Safety Magazine

I observe this relates to America but I am certain the same applies to the UK.

Even If video camera's were on school buses, the driver Is not responsible for controlling the behaviour of the children as Spot stated quite wrongly.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:14 pm

spot;1397369 wrote: There are on all First Bus vehicles, which is what serves Bristol.
You stated ' All these buses' ... you are wrong.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:14 pm

oscar;1397367 wrote: What he Is doing by your reply, Is parking up and waiting for the police to arrive and control the children. That's not ' the driver Is responsible for controlling the school children on his bus' Is It ?Where does your quote come from, out of interest?

The job description you pointed to actually says "maintaining good student conduct on the bus" and yes, dealing with that unlikely scenario in that way would, I suggest, be remarkably effective at doing exactly that, especially if First Bus withdrew from that run for a month to press their point home.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:15 pm

spot;1397369 wrote: There are on all First Bus vehicles, which is what serves Bristol.

First bus serves the town, however we don't have many new buses here. What we do have is everyone else's clapped out old buses, the majority of buses that serve solely the schools are old double deckers.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:16 pm

oscar;1397371 wrote: You stated ' All these buses' ... you are wrong.

I'm interested to hear why the Boop thinks they're not on her local buses. I'd be very surprised if she's right but she must have had something in mind when she wrote it.

eta: http://www.firstgroup.com/corporate/csr ... curity.php

6 out of 10 currently have CCTV installed, they're increasing the coverage as they phase out old vehicles.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:16 pm

spot;1397372 wrote: Where does your quote come from, out of interest?

The job description you pointed to actually says "maintaining good student conduct on the bus" and yes, dealing with that unlikely scenario in that way would, I suggest, be remarkably effective at doing exactly that, especially if First Bus withdrew from that run for a month to press their point home. You're focusing on just one line of bus service, 'First Bus'. What about every private bus hired by schools nationwide? What one bus company does Is not Indicative of another nor nationwide Is It?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:17 pm

spot;1397374 wrote: I'm interested to hear why the Boop thinks they're not on her local buses. I'd be very surprised if she's right but she must have had something in mind when she wrote it. She was talking about her local school buses, not public transport.... duh

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:20 pm

oscar;1397375 wrote: You're focusing on just one line of bus service, 'First Bus'. What about every private bus hired by schools nationwide? What one bus company does Is not Indicative of another nor nationwide Is It?

It doesn't take into consideration the coach companies that do the school runs either. They also don't have cameras.

Spot - First Bus do not contract out to do the school runs here. Some of the First Bus buses stop at the schools (or nearby) during term time but these are general public buses also.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:22 pm

Betty Boop;1397377 wrote: It doesn't take into consideration the coach companies that do the school runs either. They also don't have cameras.

Spot - First Bus do not contract out to do the school runs here. Some of the First Bus buses stop at the schools (or nearby) during term time but these are general public buses also.
Schools could deal with this at a stroke by refusing to accept any coaches for school transport that aren't CCTV equipped. There's plenty of companies out there bidding to provide the service.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:23 pm

Betty Boop;1397373 wrote: First bus serves the town, however we don't have many new buses here. What we do have is everyone else's clapped out old buses, the majority of buses that serve solely the schools are old double deckers.

So *that's* where they go. We got a new fleet by the look of them. Springs and plush seats.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:25 pm

spot;1397378 wrote: Schools could deal with this at a stroke by refusing to accept any coaches for school transport that aren't CCTV equipped. There's plenty of companies out there bidding to provide the service.

So you accept you are wrong?

Not all school buses have camera's.

The driver Is employed by the bus company, not the school and Is nowhere responsible for the control of school children on the bus.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:26 pm

Betty Boop;1397377 wrote: It doesn't take into consideration the coach companies that do the school runs either. They also don't have cameras.

Spot - First Bus do not contract out to do the school runs here. Some of the First Bus buses stop at the schools (or nearby) during term time but these are general public buses also.

Actually I've got that wrong, the company of First Bus must do some private school buses but they do not place the newer buses on the school runs, only the services that happen to stop by the schools that are also buses for the general public are the newer ones. There are at least three coaches and three or four buses that specifically call at the school just to do a school run morning and afternoon, members of the general public do not catch these buses and it is on these buses that the problems occur. The buses are probably as old as me and they do not have cameras on board.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:26 pm

Betty Boop;1397377 wrote: It doesn't take into consideration the coach companies that do the school runs either. They also don't have cameras.

Spot - First Bus do not contract out to do the school runs here. Some of the First Bus buses stop at the schools (or nearby) during term time but these are general public buses also.

The school next door to me hire's private companies for field trips etc.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:29 pm

spot;1397379 wrote: So *that's* where they go. We got a new fleet by the look of them. Springs and plush seats.

We always get second hand buses down here. Not seen a brand new bus around here for years. When the buses are getting older and worn out they put them on the Land's End run which means they come up the big hill by me, they do it on purpose to kill the damn things. Broken down buses on the hill are common feature around here :wah:

If I were to witness a brand new bus on our streets I think I'd crash my car out of shock.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:31 pm

oscar;1397380 wrote: So you accept you are wrong?Using a careless "all"? Definitely.

Every bus driver on every bus is responsible for controlling order. Who else could be? If there's disorder, school or not school, children or not children, he stops the bus and asks for order. If he doesn't get it he calls for the police. If he has any sense and they're drunk he skips step one. It's his job.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:39 pm

spot;1397384 wrote: Using a careless "all"? Definitely.

Every bus driver on every bus is responsible for controlling order. Who else could be? If there's disorder, school or not school, children or not children, he stops the bus and asks for order. If he doesn't get it he calls for the police. If he has any sense and they're drunk he skips step one. It's his job.

Actually Spot, it's his job to drive the bleeding bus, not baby sit 40 unruly kids :rolleyes: I suggest you go be a bus driver on the school run for a few weeks, you'll be pulling your hair out in no time. Members of the public on a bus tend to behave better, other than the bus driver giving them a sharp warning that he will throw them off the bus if they don't behave that's about all the babysitting he'd need to do.

Imagine a bus driver kicking off an 11 year old and leaving him by the side of the road one dark winters morning, it'd be more than his job's worth to risk it. Other kids don't always stand up to their peers, they join in with the trouble and most are too scared to do anything.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:52 pm

spot;1397363 wrote: I was travelling on a bus that had started its route at a secondary school in order to fill up with children. It stops at bus stops and if someone wants to board there they can board. I'm quite sure buses do the same in your neck of the woods.

Buses call into the schools that have travelled up from the local town. No public bus service starts from the school that is also 'public' transport.

The empty buses that pull into the school at 3pm are purely for school kids they all head off in different directions and they have big signs on the front saying 'SCHOOL BUS' therefore members of the public do not flag them down nor expect them to stop for them.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:58 pm

Betty Boop;1397386 wrote: Buses call into the schools that have travelled up from the local town. No public bus service starts from the school that is also 'public' transport.

The empty buses that pull into the school at 3pm are purely for school kids they all head off in different directions and they have big signs on the front saying 'SCHOOL BUS' therefore members of the public do not flag them down nor expect them to stop for them.

It also stands to reason that If there are say 20 school children on a bus with say, 15 adult members of the public, their behaviour Is going to be far more civilised than 40 children on a bus with no members of the public except for the driver who's going to have his eye's on the road.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:32 pm

Betty Boop;1397385 wrote: Actually Spot, it's his job to drive the bleeding bus, not baby sit 40 unruly kids :rolleyes: I suggest you go be a bus driver on the school run for a few weeks, you'll be pulling your hair out in no time. Members of the public on a bus tend to behave better, other than the bus driver giving them a sharp warning that he will throw them off the bus if they don't behave that's about all the babysitting he'd need to do.

Imagine a bus driver kicking off an 11 year old and leaving him by the side of the road one dark winters morning, it'd be more than his job's worth to risk it. Other kids don't always stand up to their peers, they join in with the trouble and most are too scared to do anything.

After watching the video, I wonder if combat training will soon be a requirement for bus monitors.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:03 pm

Betty Boop;1397336 wrote: They do have an equivalent in this country when there is trouble on certain buses, it's just not got to the point where they employ someone solely for the job. So far teachers and TA's have taken turns to travel on buses where there have been problems in my son's school as the bus companies threatened to pull out of their contract.

spot;1397350 wrote: Regardless of what the Boop's saying, we don't have them in England and the bus driver here most definitely does perform the job functions listed in that linked PDF file.Wow. First me, now Betty. Anybody else you want to accuse of lying, snot?

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:22 pm

Betty Boop;1397385 wrote: Imagine a bus driver kicking off an 11 year old and leaving him by the side of the road one dark winters morning, it'd be more than his job's worth to risk it.And against his company policy too. I can't see these problems you propose surviving more than a few encounters with a squad car. If you think children currently riot on school buses then it's because they're allowed to. They shouldn't be allowed to.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:42 pm

Betty Boop;1397385 wrote: Actually Spot, it's his job to drive the bleeding bus, not baby sit 40 unruly kids :rolleyes: I suggest you go be a bus driver on the school run for a few weeks, you'll be pulling your hair out in no time. Members of the public on a bus tend to behave better, other than the bus driver giving them a sharp warning that he will throw them off the bus if they don't behave that's about all the babysitting he'd need to do.

Imagine a bus driver kicking off an 11 year old and leaving him by the side of the road one dark winters morning, it'd be more than his job's worth to risk it. Other kids don't always stand up to their peers, they join in with the trouble and most are too scared to do anything.

Part of my duties when I was stationed at RAF Greenham Common in Newbury was to monitor the school bus contract, including going to the school a couple of times every week to make sure everything was running smoothly. One evening as I was leaving for home, I saw one of the buses parked at the base gate. It was still full of kids! According to the gate guard, the bus left, came back a couple of minutes later, and the driver walked away, handing the keys to the gate guard. Apparently the kids had gotten the best of him.

Long story short, I ended up driving the bus & dropping the kids off. They'd already had their fun so they behaved pretty well for me. :wah: