social fund to be replaced by council issued food vouchers the AA grumpy column

the grumps · Post by **the grumps** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:24 pm

hello and welcome to another basin full of the AA grumpy column

well ones going up market these days i,ve actually been trawling the guardian

(the worksop guardian ? ED ) no you fool the guardian guardian you know the one the tories read on the london train in the morning.

as of april the social fund will be scrapped and replaced by council issued food vouchers which allow you to buy the essitentials but not beer,fags or scratchcards.

the various councils will have different ways of administering the help

quote from the guardian

• Conservative-run Hampshire council plans to invest a big chunk of its welfare fund allocation in charities and food banks. Over time, it hopes to stop offering food vouchers as part of a shift towards "reducing the entitlement culture".

• Labour-run Manchester city council will offer successful applicants low-interest loans of up to £200 a year, with a credit union, rather than food vouchers. It says in future years grants for furniture and cooking utensils will be offered on condition that recipients sign up to "expected behaviours and actions".

• Bristol city council's crisis fund restricts emergency payments to food, heating, nappies and toiletries. It says the cards "should not be used for cigarettes, alcohol or entertainment", and if misuse occurs it will seek repayment.

• Labour-controlled Darlington council plans to invest £58,000 in a church food bank, including £30,000 to enable the charity to take on a full-time worker.

From April, thousands of applicants who now have access to crisis help will be turned down under the schemes. Many councils plan to refer the expected rising numbers of unsuccessful applicants to soup kitchens and other charities.

AAG

this is like a return to dickensian times soup kitchens whatever next work houses for the poor?

the tories seem intent on dismantling the welfare system in its entireity

as another service is hived off to the councils and the buck passed from whitehall to the local council,s.

will desperate mothers have to take their children in to the town hall to beg for food vouchers so they can feed their children tonight or will we see desperate families queueing outside the salvation army halls waiting for the soup kitchen to open mums and dads going without so the kids can have food.

this was all suposedly abolished during the victorian era yet the coilition seem determined to repeat history.

whats the next step stop benefits completely and issue food gas and electricity vouchers to benefit claimants.

strip us of any dignity we have left

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:34 pm

Sorry Andy.... beat you to It....

I posted this two days ago :yh_rotfl

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/inter ... g-but.html

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:42 am

oscar;1423369 wrote: Sorry Andy.... beat you to It....

I posted this two days ago :yh_rotfl

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/inter ... g-but.html

Difference is AA grumpy isn't gloating about welfare claimants getting their faces rubbed in it like you do.

the grumps · Post by **the grumps** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:55 am

hi will have a quick read at your thread

thing is gmc she lives in the leafy stockbroker belt of west sussex

mind you dangerously close to hampshire.......

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:07 am

gmc;1423375 wrote: Difference is AA grumpy isn't gloating about welfare claimants getting their faces rubbed in it like you do.

Then you're a pillock.

Show me anywhere In my thread where I am gloating about welfare claimants getting their faces rubbed In It as you put It.

The title of my thread was In relation to the fact that I wrote on this forum two years ago pre-election that If Cameron got In, this Is what he'd do..

I have not actually stated weather I m In agreement or not.

Andy, I do not live In the leafy suburbs of West Sussex at the moment... It's where i was born and raised and most of my family are. I am currently residing In the leafy suburbs of South Gloucestershire.... However when I feel the need to mingle with the lower classes, I am dangerously close to an area of Bristol called Fishponds :sneaky:... yes, there really Is a town called Fishponds...

the grumps · Post by **the grumps** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:49 pm

oscar;1423389 wrote: Then you're a pillock.

Show me anywhere In my thread where I am gloating about welfare claimants getting their faces rubbed In It as you put It.

The title of my thread was In relation to the fact that I wrote on this forum two years ago pre-election that If Cameron got In, this Is what he'd do..

I have not actually stated weather I m In agreement or not.

Andy, I do not live In the leafy suburbs of West Sussex at the moment... It's where i was born and raised and most of my family are. I am currently residing In the leafy suburbs of South Gloucestershire.... However when I feel the need to mingle with the lower classes, I am dangerously close to an area of Bristol called Fishponds :sneaky:... yes, there really Is a town called Fishponds...

ooh not far from bristol then oscar you can always claim these vouchers if you,re short

no beer wine scratchcards or ciggies oscar my lovey

personally i wouldnt bother then

i can always send you a few bottles from the cellars here at grumpy towers and i think theres some pheasant left..call me

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:15 pm

the grumps;1423396 wrote: ooh not far from bristol then oscar you can always claim these vouchers if you,re short

no beer wine scratchcards or ciggies oscar my lovey

personally i wouldnt bother then

i can always send you a few bottles from the cellars here at grumpy towers and i think theres some pheasant left..call me Terribly nice of you to offer old bean but my mate Nick keeps me In enough free lunches :sneaky::sneaky::sneaky::yh_rotfl

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:19 pm

oscar;1423389 wrote: Then you're a pillock.

Show me anywhere In my thread where I am gloating about welfare claimants getting their faces rubbed In It as you put It.

The title of my thread was In relation to the fact that I wrote on this forum two years ago pre-election that If Cameron got In, this Is what he'd do..

I have not actually stated weather I m In agreement or not.

Andy, I do not live In the leafy suburbs of West Sussex at the moment... It's where i was born and raised and most of my family are. I am currently residing In the leafy suburbs of South Gloucestershire.... However when I feel the need to mingle with the lower classes, I am dangerously close to an area of Bristol called Fishponds :sneaky:... yes, there really Is a town called Fishponds...

You're forever starting threads about welfare scroungers living it large.

However, apparently, the UK Is the envy of the world because we have the most generous welfare system but... we have child poverty.

I do see people I know on welfare In stores buying cheap cut booze and ciggs before food for their children. I know one couple not a million miles away from me who buy hair dye, tattoo's and piercings while their children are hungry and grubby and last week the bailiffs called.

From your very own thread. You do actually have a point to make but you seem rather to believe that people go on benefits from choice the vast majority do not.

The tories are ideologically opposed to the welfare state, given half a chance they will dismantle it. No problem letting bankers have their bonuses though and they can hardly blame europe for that one.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:12 pm

gmc;1423400 wrote: You're forever starting threads about welfare scroungers living it large.

From your very own thread. You do actually have a point to make but you seem rather to believe that people go on benefits from choice the vast majority do not.

The tories are ideologically opposed to the welfare state, given half a chance they will dismantle it. No problem letting bankers have their bonuses though and they can hardly blame europe for that one.

Spitting Image 1987 Election Special. Tomorrow belongs to me - YouTube It is true that we have the most envied, generous welfare system In the world and It is fact that we have child poverty.

There are 3.6 million children living in poverty in the UK today. That’s 27 per cent of children, or more than one in four.

Child poverty facts and figures | Child Poverty Action Group

That should not be happening so It goes without saying that some are not putting their children first.

So how does any government eradicate child poverty ? The only other real solution would be to actually raise the amount of benefit. Yet, the feckless who do put dope, ciggs, booze etc before their childrens food will never change, they'll just spend more on themselves...

I don't know what side to come down on with this voucher option. On one hand, you have to address child poverty but on the other hand the genuine who are responsible parents who budget will be penalised along with the one's who don't.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:40 pm

I just cannot get my head around the so called 'poverty' in this country.

The definition on that site....

Individuals, families and groups in the population can be said to be in poverty when they lack resources to obtain the type of diet, participate in the activities and have the living conditions and amenities which are customary, or at least widely encouraged and approved, in the societies in which they belong.

Where and when would that apply, other than poor parenting through ignorance or thickness ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:02 pm

Bruv;1423407 wrote: I just cannot get my head around the so called 'poverty' in this country.

The definition on that site....

Individuals, families and groups in the population can be said to be in poverty when they lack resources to obtain the type of diet, participate in the activities and have the living conditions and amenities which are customary, or at least widely encouraged and approved, in the societies in which they belong.

Where and when would that apply, other than poor parenting through ignorance or thickness ?

What causes child poverty?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:35 am

oscar;1423409 wrote: What causes child poverty?

I understand the official definition, I just don't buy it.

Poverty to me is not having a roof over your head, fresh plumbed water, regular adequate money to supply your basic food and household needs.

What they have altered poverty to mean is a lack of drive, poverty of ambition, a lack of knowledge about nutrition, social inadequates if you like, poverty is just not the right word.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:50 am

Bruv;1423419 wrote: I understand the official definition, I just don't buy it.

Poverty to me is not having a roof over your head, fresh plumbed water, regular adequate money to supply your basic food and household needs.

What they have altered poverty to mean is a lack of drive, poverty of ambition, a lack of knowledge about nutrition, social inadequates if you like, poverty is just not the right word.

I agree, It's a very badly worded document. Poverty In government speak has always been living below the breadline... what they can not write Is the words, ' Any child who's parents are on benefit but waste the money on ciggs and booze'

However I do understand what they mean by lack of drive etc etc however badly worded It Is... kids In deprived area's who's parents don't have the money for outside activities can lose the will.... In fact, It was Thatcher who put disenchanted Inner city youth on the agenda for the first time In 1980....