How To Get To Heaven When You Die

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4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.

5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Isaiah 24:4-6

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LarsMac;1525865 wrote: Jefferess is an idiot.


I just want to say that just because I post an article, does not necessarily mean that I agree with the article. I do believe that God is going to destroy the earth, but it won't be by flood, it will be by fire.

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Why The Bible Is God's Word:



The bible was written through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, many of them didn’t have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person, because it was inspired by God. It has no true errors or contradictions. There are countless prophecies which have been predicted and fulfilled perfectly in scripture. Many of these prophecies were written hundreds or even thousands of years before they were fulfilled.

The Predictions that Jesus fulfilled in His coming were in the hundreds. The verse on the left is the prediction written hundreds of years before He came and the verse on the right is where it was fulfilled in Jesus Christ’s actual coming hundreds of years later as testified by the actual eyewitnesses. It is impossible that He is not Messiah, Savior of the world. The ONLY person...past, present or future...who could fulfill all these prophecies is Jesus Christ

Fulfilled Prophecy Tenakh/Hebrew

Scripture New Testament

Micah 5:2 His pre-existence John 1:1, 14

Genesis 3:15 Born of the seed of a woman Matthew 1:18

Genesis 12:3 Of the seed of Abraham Matthew 1:1-16

Genesis 12:3 All nations blessed by Abraham's seed Matthew 8:5, 10

Genesis 22:8 God would provide Himself a Lamb as an offering John 1:29

Genesis 49:10 From the tribe of Judah Matthew 1:1-3

Isaiah 9:6-7 Heir to the throne of David Matthew 1:1

Isaiah 9:6 Called "The mighty God, The everlasting Father" Matthew 1:23

Micah 5:2 Born in Bethlehem Matthew 2:1

Isaiah 7:14 Born of a virgin Matthew 1:18

Isaiah 7:14 His name called Immanuel, "God with us" Matthew 1:23

Psalm 2:7 Declared to be the Son of God Matthew 3:17

Malachi 4:5-6 His messenger before Him in spirit of Elijah Luke 1:17

Malachi 3:1 Preceded by a messenger to prepare His way Matthew 11:7-11

Isaiah 40:3 Messenger crying "Prepare ye the way of the Lord" Matthew 3:3

Deuteronomy 18:15 Would be a Prophet of the children of Israel Matthew 2:15

Hosea 11:1 Called out of Egypt Matthew 2:15

Jeremiah 31:15 Slaughter of the children Matthew2:18

Judges 13:5;Amos 2:11;Lam. 4:7 Would be a Nazarene Matthew 2:23

Isaiah 9:1-2 Brought light to Zabulon & Nephthalm, Galilee of the Gentiles Matthew 4:15

Psalm 72:10 Presented with gifts Matthew 2:1, 11

Isaiah 53:3 Rejected by His own Matthew 21:42; Mark 8:31,12:10; Luke 9:22,17:25 Psalm 118:22-23;

Isaiah 28:16He is the stone which the builders rejected which became the headstone Matthew 21:42; IPeter 2:7

Isaiah 8:14-15 A stone of stumbling to Israel I Peter 2:8

Zechariah 9:9 He entered Jerusalem as a king riding on an ass Matthew 21:5

Psalms 41:9 Betrayed by a friend John 13:21

Zechariah 11:12 Sold for 30 pieces of silver Matthew 26:15; Luke 22:5

Zechariah 11:12 The 30 pieces of silver given for the potter's field Matthew 27:9-10

Zechariah 11:13 The 30 pieces of silver thrown in the temple Matthew 27:5

Zechariah 13:7 Forsaken by His disciples Matthew 26:56

Psalm 35:11 Accused by false witnesses Matthew 26:60

Isaiah 53:7 Silent to accusations Matthew 27:14

Isaiah 35:5-6 Isaiah 29:18 Heal blind/deaf/lame/dumb; Matthew 11:5

Isaiah 61:Preached to the poor/brokenhearted/captives 1 Matthew 11:5

Micah 7:6 Came to bring a sword, not peace Matthew 10:34-35

Isaiah 53:4 He bore our sickness Matthew 8:16-17

Isaiah 50:6, 53:5 Spat upon, smitten and scourged Matthew 27:26, 30

Micah 5:1 Smitten on the cheek Matthew 27:30

Psalm 35:19 Hated without a cause Matthew 27:23

Isaiah 53:5 The sacrificial lamb John 1:29

Isaiah 42:6;Jeremiah 31:31-34Given for a covenant Romans 11:27/Galatians 3:17, 4:24/Hebrews 8:6, 8, 10; 10:16, 29; 12:24; 13:20

Isaiah 42:2-3 Would not strive or cry Mark 7:36

Isaiah 6:9-10 People would hear not and see not Matthew 13:14-15

Isaiah 29:13 People trust in traditions of men Matthew 15:9

Isaiah 29:13 People give God lip service Matthew 15:8

Isaiah 42:1 God delights in Him Matthew 3:17, 17:5

Isaiah 53:5 Wounded for our sins John 6:51

Isaiah 53:10-12 He bore the sins of many Mark 10:45

Daniel 9:26 Messiah not killed for Himself Matthew 20:28

Isaiah 55:5, 60:3,65:1; Malachi1:11;II Samuel 22:44-45; Psalm 2:7-8Gentiles flock to Him

Matthew 8:10

Isaiah 53:12 Crucified with criminals Matthew 27:35

Zechariah 12:10; His body was pierced Ps. 22:16 John 20:25, 27

Psalm 22:16 Thirsty during execution John 19:28

Psalm 69:21 Given vinegar and gall for thirst Matthew 27:34

Psalm 22:18 Soldiers gambled for his garment Matthew 27:35

Psalm 22:7-8 People mocked, "He trusted in God, let Him deliver him!" Matthew 27:43

Psalm 22:17 People sat there looking at Him Matthew 27:36

Psalm 22:1 Cried, "My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46

Amos 8:9 Darkness over the land Matthew 27:45

Psalm 34:20, Numbers 9:12 No bones broken John 19:33-36

Zechariah 12:10 Side pierced John 19:34

Isaiah 53:9 Buried with the rich Matthew 27:57, 60

Psalm 16:10-11; 49:15 Resurrected from the dead Mark 16:6

Psalm 110:4 Priest after the order of Melchizedek Hebrews 5:5-6; 6:20; 7:15-17

Psalm 68:18 Ascended to right hand of God Luke 24:51

Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto Him, "Sit thou at my right hand, until I make

thine enemies thy footstool Matt 22:44; Mark 12:36;, 16:19; Luke 20:42-43;

Acts 2:34-35; Hebrews 1:13

His coming glory Malachi 3:2-3 Luke 3:17

324 Messianic Prophecies

Gen. 3:15.....He will bruise Satan's head.....Heb. 2:14, 1 Jn. 3:18

Gen. 5:24....The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated....Mk. 6:19

Gen. 9:26,27...The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem...Lu.

3:36

Gen. 12:3...As Abraham's seed,will bless all nations...Acts.

3:25,26

Gen. 12:7...The Promise made to Abraham's Seed...Gal. 3:16

Gen. 14:18...A priest after Melchizedek...Heb. 6:20

Gen. 14:18........A King also........Heb. 7:2

Gen. 14:18...The Last Supper foreshadowed...Mt. 26:26-29

Gen. 17:19.......The Seed of Isaac.......Rom. 9:7

Gen. 22:8...The Lamb of God promised...Jn. 1:29

Gen. 22:18...As Isaac's seed, will bless all nations...Gal. 3:16

Gen.26:2-5..The Seed of Isaac promised as the

Redeemer..Heb.11:18

Gen. 49:10...The time of His coming...Lu. 2:1-7; Gal. 4:4

Gen. 49:10.......The Seed of Judah.......Lu. 3:33

Gen. 49:10......Called Shiloh or One Sent......Jn. 17:3

Gen. 49:10...To come before Judah lost identity...Jn. 11:47-52

Gen. 49:10...To Him shall the obedience of the people be...Jn.

10:16

Ex. 3:13,14........The Great "I Am".......Jn. 4:26

Ex. 12:5...A Lamb without blemish...1 Pet. 1:19

Ex. 12:13...The blood of the Lamb saves from wrath...Rom. 5:8

Ex. 12:21-27...Christ is our Passover...1 Cor. 5;7

Ex. 12:46...Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken...Jn. 19:31-36

Ex. 15:2...His exaltation predicted as Yeshua...Acts 7:55,56

Ex. 15:11...His Character-Holiness...Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27

Ex. 17:6...The Spiritual Rock of Israel...1 Cor. 10;4

Ex. 33:19...His Character-Merciful...Lu. 1:72

Lev.14:11..The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood..Lu.5:12-14;

Acts 6:7

Lev.16:15-17...Prefigures Christ's once-for-all death...Heb. 9:7-14

Lev.16:27...Suffering outside the Camp...Mt. 27:33; Heb. 13:11,

12

Lev.17:11...The Blood-the life of the flesh...Mt. 26;28; Mk. 10:45

Lev.17:11...It is the blood that makes atonement...1 Jn. 3:14-18

Lev.23:36-37...The Drink-offering: "If any man thirst." ..Jn.

19:31-36

Num. 9:12...Not a bone of Him broken...John 19:31-36

Num. 21:9...The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up...Jn. 3:14-18

Num. 24:17...Time: "I shall see him, but not now."...Gal. 4:4

Deut. 18:15..."This is of a truth that prophet."...Jn. 6:14

Deut. 18:15-16..."Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe

me."...Jn. 5:45-47

Deut. 18:18...Sent by the Father to speak His word...Jn. 8:28, 29

Deut. 18:19...Whoever will not hear must bear his sin...Jn. 12:15,

Deut. 21:23...Cursed is he that hangs on a tree...Gal. 3:10-13

Ruth 4:4-9...Christ, our kinsman, has redeemed us...Eph. 1:3-7

1 Sam. 2:10...Shall be an anointed King to the Lord...Mt. 28:18;

Jn. 12:15

2 Sam. 7:12...David's Seed...Mt. 1:1

2 Sam. 7:14a...The Son of God... Lu. 1:32

2 Sam. 7:16...David's house established forever...Lu. 3:31; Rev.

22:16

2 Ki. 2:11...The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated...Lu. 24:51

1 Chr. 17:11...David's Seed...Mt. 1:1; 9:27

1 Chr. 17:12, 13a...To reign on David's throne forever...Lu. 1:32,

33

1 Chr. 17:13a..."I will be His Father, He...my Son."...Heb. 1:5

Job 19:23-27...The Resurrection predicted...Jn. 5:24-29

Psa. 2:1-3...The enmity of kings foreordained...Acts 4:25-28

Psa. 2:2...To own the title, Anointed (Christ)...Acts 2:36

Ps. 2:6...His Character-Holiness...Jn. 8:46; Rev. 3:7

Ps. 2:6...To own the title King...Mt. 2:2

Ps. 2:7...Declared the Beloved Son...Mt. 3;17

Psa. 2:7, 8...The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated...Acts

13:29-33

Psa. 2:12...Life comes through faith in Him...Jn. 20:31

Psa. 8:2...The mouths of babes perfect His praise...Mt. 21:16

Psa. 8:5, 6...His humiliation and exaltation...Lu. 24:50-53; 1 Cor.

15:27

Psa. 16:10...Was not to see corruption...Acts 2:31

Psa. 16:9-11...Was to arise from the dead...Jn. 20:9

Psa. 17;15...The resurrection predicted...Lu. 24:6

Psa. 22:1...Forsaken because of sins of others...2 Cor. 5:21

Psa. 22:1...Words spoken from Calvary, "My God..." Mk.

15:34

Psa. 22:2...Darkness upon Calvary...Mt. 27:45

Psa. 22:7...They shoot out the lip and shake the head...Mt.

27:39

Psa. 22:8.."He trusted in God, let Him deliver Him"...Mt.

27:43

Psa. 22:9......Born the Saviour......Lu. 2:7

Psa. 22:14...Died of a broken (ruptured)heart...Jn. 19:34

Psa. 22:14,15...Suffered agony on Calvary...Mk. 15:34-37

Psa. 22:15........He thirsted........Jn. 19:28

Psa. 22:16...They pierced His hands and His feet....Jn.

19:34,37;20:27

Psa. 22:17,18...Stripped Him before the stares of men...Lu.

23:34,35

Psa. 22:18.....They parted His garments.....Jn. 19:23,24

Psa. 22:20,21...He committed Himself to God...Lu.23:46

Psa. 22:20,21..Satanic power bruising the Redeemer's

heel..Heb. 2:14

Psa. 22:22.....His Resurrection declared.....Jn. 20:17

Psa. 22:27...He shall be the governor of the nations...Col 1:16

Psa. 22:31......"It is finished"......Jn. 19:30

Psa. 23:1...."I am the Good Shephard"....Jn. 10:11

Psa. 24:3......His exaltation predicted......Acts 1:11; Phil. 2:9

Psa. 30:3......His resurrection predicted......Acts 2:32

Psa. 31:5..."Into thy hands I commit my spirit"...Lu. 23:46

Psa. 31:11...His acquaintances fled from Him...Mk. 14:50

Psa. 31:13...They took counsel to put Him to death...Jn. 11:53

Psa. 31:14,15..." He trusted in God, let Him deliver him"...Mt.

27:43

Psa. 34:20.....Not a bone of Him broken.....Jn 19:31-36

Psa. 35:11....False witnesses rose up against Him....Mt. 26:59

Psa. 35:19...He was hated without a cause...Jn. 15:25

Psa. 38:11.....His friends stood afar off.....Lu. 23:49

Psa. 40:2-5...The joy of His resurrection predicted...Jn. 20:20

Psa. 40:6-8....His delight-the will of the Father....Jn. 4:34

Psa. 40:9....He was to preach the Righteousness in Israel....Mt.

4:17

Psa. 40:14...Confronted by adversaries in the Garden...Jn. 18:4-6

Psa. 41:9.....Betrayed by a familiar friend.....Jn. 13:18

Psa. 45:2...Words of Grace come from His lips...Lu. 4:22

Psa. 45:6...To own the title, God or Elohim...Heb. 1:8

Psa. 45:7...A special anointing by the Holy Spirit...Mt.3:16;

Heb.1:9

Psa. 45:7,8...Called the Christ (Messiah or Anointed)...Lu. 2:11

Psa. 55:12-14...Betrayed by a friend, not an enemy...Jn. 13:18

Psa. 55:15...Unrepentant death of the Betrayer...Mt. 27:3-5; Acts

1:16-19

Psa. 68:18...To give gifts to men...Eph. 4:7-16

Psa. 68:18...Ascended into Heaven...Lu. 24:51

Psa. 69:4...Hated without a cause...Jn. 15:25

Psa. 69:8...A stranger to own brethren...Lu. 8;20,21

Psa. 69:9...Zealous for the Lord's House...Jn. 2:17

Psa. 69:14-20...Messiah's anguish of soul before crucifixion...Mt.

26:36-45

Psa. 69:20..."My soul is exceeding sorrowful."...Mt. 26:38

Psa. 69:21...Given vinegar in thirst...Mt. 27:34

Psa. 69:26...The Saviour given and smitten by God...Jn. 17:4;

18:11

Psa. 72:10,11...Great persons were to visit Him...Mt. 2:1-11

Psa. 72:16...The corn of wheat to fall into the Ground...Jn. 12:24

Psa. 72:17...His name, Yinon, will produce offspring...Jn. 1:12,13

Psa. 72:17...All nations shall be blessed by Him...Acts 2:11,12,41

Psa. 78:1.2...He would teach in parables...Mt. 13:34-35

Psa. 78:2b...To speak the Wisdom of God with authority...Mt.

7:29

Psa. 88:8...They stood afar off and watched...Lu. 23:49

Psa. 89:27...Emmanuel to be higher than earthly kings...Lu.

1:32,33

Psa. 89:35-37...David's Seed, throne, kingdom endure

forever...Lu. 1:32,33

Psa. 89:36-37...His character-Faithfulness...Rev. 1:5

Psa. 90:2...He is from everlasting (Micah 5:2)...Jn. 1:1

Psa. 91:11,12...Identified as Messianic; used to tempt Christ...Lu.

4;10,11

Psa. 97:9...His exaltation predicted...Acts 1:11;Eph. 1:20

Psa. 100:5...His character-Goodness...Mt. 19:16,17

Psa. 102:1-11...The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary...Jn.

21:16-30

Psa. 102:25-27...Messiah is the Preexistent Son...Heb. 1:10-12

Psa. 109:25...Ridiculed...Mt. 27:39

Psa. 110:1...Son of David...Mt. 22:43

Psa. 110:1...To ascend to the right-hand of the Father...Mk.16:19

Psa. 110:1...David's son called Lord...Mt. 22:44,45

Psa. 110:4...A priest after Melchizedek's order...Heb. 6:20

Psa. 112:4...His character-Compassionate, Gracious, et al... Mt.

9;36

Psa. 118:17,18...Messiah's Resurrection assured...Lu. 24:5-7;1

Cor. 15:20

Psa. 118:22,23...The rejected stone is Head of the corner...Mt.

21:42,43

Psa. 118:26a...The Blessed One presented to Israel...Mt. 21:9

Psa. 118:26b...To come while Temple standing...Mt. 21;12-15

Psa. 132:11...The Seed of David(the fruit of His Body)...Lu. 1:32

Psa. 138:1-6...The supremacy of David's Seed amazes kings... Mt.

2:2-6

Psa. 147:3,6...The earthly ministry of Christ described...Lu. 4:18

Psa. 1:23...He will send the Spirit of God... Jn. 16;7

Song. 5;16...The altogether lovely One...Jn. 1:17

Isa. 6:1...When Isaiah saw His glory... Jn. 12:40-41

Isa. 6:9-10...Parables fall on deaf ears...Mt. 13:13-15

Isa. 6:9-12...Blinded to Christ and deaf to His words...Acts. 28:23-

29

Isa. 7:14...To be born of a virgin...Lu. 1:35

Isa. 7:14...To be Emmanuel-God with us... Mt. 1:18-23

Isa. 8:8...Called Emmanuel...Mt. 28:20

Isa. 8:14...A stone of stumbling, a Rock of offense... 1 Pet. 2:8

Isa. 9:1,2...His ministry to begin in Galilee...Mt. 4:12-17

Isa. 9:6...A child born-Humanity...Lu. 1:31

Isa. 9:6...A Son given-Deity...Lu. 1:32; Jn. 1;14; 1 Tim. 3:16

Isa. 9:6...Declared to be the Son of God with power... Rom. 1:3,4

Isa. 9:6...The Wonderful One, Peleh...Lu. 4:22

Isa. 9:6...The Counsellor, Yaatz...Mt. 13:54

Isa. 9:6...The Mighty God, El Gibor...Mt. 11:20

Isa. 9:6...The Everlasting Father, Avi Adth...Jn. 8:58

Isa. 9:6...The Prince of Peace, Sar Shalom...Jn . 16:33

Isa. 9:7...To establish an everlasting kingdom...Lu. 1:32-33

Isa. 9:7...His Character-Just...Jn. 5:30

Isa. 9:7...No end to his Government, Throne, and Peace...Lu.

1:32-33

Isa. 11:1...Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer...Mt. 2:23

Isa. 11:1...A rod out of Jesse-Son of Jesse...Lu. 3:23,32

Isa. 11:2...The anointed One by the Spirit...Mt. 3;16,17

Isa. 11:2...His Character-Wisdom, Understanding, et al....Jn. 4:4-

26

Isa. 11:4...His Character-Truth...Jn. 14:6

Isa. 11:10...The Gentiles seek Him...Jn. 12:18-21

Isa. 12:2...Called Jesus-Yeshua...Mt. 1:21

Isa. 25:8...The Resurrection predicted...I Cor. 15:54

Isa. 26:19...His power of Resurrection predicted...Jn. 11:43,44

Isa. 28:16...The Messiah is the precious corner stone...Acts

4:11,12

Isa. 29:13...He indicated hypocritical obedience to His Word...Mt.

15:7-9

Isa. 29:14...The wise are confounded by the Word...I Cor. 1:18-31

Isa. 32:2...A Refuge-A man shall be a hiding place...Mt. 23:37

Isa. 35:4...He will come and save you...Mt. 1:21

Isa. 35:5...To have a ministry of miracles...Mt. 11:4-6

Isa. 40:3,4...Preceded by forerunner...Jn. 1:23

Isa. 40:9..."Behold your God."...Jn. 1:36;19:14

Isa. 40:11...A shepherd-compassionatelife-giver...Jn. 10:10-18

Isa. 42:1-4...The Servant-as a faithful, patient redeemer...

Mt.12:18-21

Isa. 42:2...Meek and lowly... Mt. 11:28-30

Isa. 42:3...He brings hope for the hopeless... Jn. 4

Isa. 42:4...The nations shall wait on His teachings... Jn. 12:20-26

Isa. 42:6...The Light (salvation) of the Gentiles...Lu. 2:32

Isa. 42:1,6...His is a Worldwide compassion... Mt. 28:19,20

Isa. 42:7...Blind eyes opened... Jn. 9:25-38

Isa. 43:11...He is the only Saviour... Acts. 4:12

Isa. 44:3...He will send the Spirit of God... Jn. 16:7,13

Isa. 45:23...He will be the Judge... Jn. 5:22;Rom. 14:11

Isa. 48:12...The First and the Last...Jn. 1:30;Rev. 1:8,17

Isa. 48:17...He came as a Teacher...Jn. 3:2

Isa. 49:1...Called from the womb-His humanity...Mt. 1:18

Isa. 49:5...A Servant from the womb...Lu. 1:31;Phil. 2:7

Isa. 49:6...He is Salvation for Israel...Lu. 2:29-32

Isa. 49:6...He is the Light of the Gentiles...Acts 13:47

Isa. 49:6...He is Salvation unto the ends of the earth... Acts 15:7-

18

Isa. 49:7...He is despised of the Nation... Jn. 8:48-49

Isa. 50:3...Heaven is clothed in black at His humiliation... Lu.

23:44,45

Isa. 50:4...He is a learned counsellor for the weary... Mt. 11:28,29

Isa. 50:5...The Servant bound willingly to obedience... Mt. 26:39

Isa. 50:6a..."I gave my back to the smiters."... Mt. 27:26

Isa. 50:6b...He was smitten on the cheeks... Mt. 26:67

Isa. 50:6c...He was spat upon... Mt. 27:30

Isa. 52:7...To publish good tidings of peace... Lu. 4:14,15

Isa. 52:13...The Servant exalted...Acts 1:8-11; Eph. 1:19-22

Isa. 52:13...Behold, My Servant... Mt. 17:5; Phil. 2:5-8

Isa. 52:14...The Servant shockingly abused... Lu. 18:31-34; Mt.

26:67,68

Isa. 52:15...Nations startled by message of the Servant... Rom.

15:18-21

Isa. 52:15...His blood shed to make atonement for all... Rev. 1:5

Isa. 53:1...His people would not believe Him... Jn. 12:37-38

Isa. 53:2a...He would grow up in a poor family.... Lu. 2:7

Isa. 53:2b...Appearance of an ordinary man... Phil. 2:7-8

Isa. 53:3a...Despised.... Lu. 4:28-29

Isa. 53:3b...Rejected... Mt. 27:21-23

Isa. 53:3c...Great sorrow and grief... Lu. 19:41-42

Isa. 53:3d...Men hide from being associated with Him... Mk.

14:50-52

Isa. 53:4a...He would have a healing ministry... Lu. 6:17-19

Isa. 53:4b...He would bear the sins of the world... 1 Pet. 2:24

Isa. 53:4c...Thought to be cursed by God... Mt. 27:41-43

Isa. 53:5a...Bears penalty for mankind's transgressions... Lu. 23:33

Isa. 53:5b...His sacrifice would provide peace between man and

God... Col. 1:20

Isa. 53:5c...His back would be whipped... Mt. 27:26

Isa. 53:6a...He would be the sin-bearer for all mankind...Gal. 1:4

Isa. 53:6b...God's will that He bear sin for all mankind... 1 Jn.

4:10

Isa. 53:7a...Oppressed and afflicted... Mt. 27:27-31

Isa. 53:7b...Silent before his accusers... Mt. 27:12-14

Isa. 53:7c...Sacrificial lamb... Jn. 1:29

Isa. 53:8a...Confined and persecuted... Mt. 26:47-27:31

Isa. 53:8b...He would be judged... Jn. 18:13-22

Isa. 53:8c...Killed.... Mt. 27:35

Isa. 53:8d...Dies for the sins of the world... 1 Jn. 2:2

Isa. 53:9a...Buried in a rich man's grave... Mt. 27:57

Isa. 53:9b...Innocent and had done no violence... Mk. 15:3

Isa. 53:9c...No deceit in his mouth... Jn. 18:38

Isa. 53:10a...God's will that He die for mankind... Jn. 18:11

Isa. 53:10b...An offering for sin... Mt. 20:28

Isa. 53:10c...Resurrected and live forever.... Mk. 16:16

Isa. 53:10d...He would prosper... Jn. 17:1-5

Isa. 53:11a...God fully satisfied with His suffering... Jn. 12:27

Isa. 53:11b...God's servant... Rom. 5:18-19

Isa. 53:11c...He would justify man before God... Rom. 5:8-9

Isa. 53:11d...The sin-bearer for all mankind... Heb. 9:28

Isa. 53:12a...Exalted by God because of his sacrifice... Mt. 28:18

Isa. 53:12b...He would give up his life to save mankind... Lu.

23:46

Isa. 53:12c...Grouped with criminals... Lu. 23:32

Isa. 53:12d...Sin-bearer for all mankind... 2 Cor. 5:21

Isa. 53:12e...Intercede to God in behalf of mankind... Lu. 23:34

Isa. 55:3...Resurrected by God... Acts 13:34

Isa. 55:4...A witness... Jn. 18:37

Isa. 59:15-16a...He would come to provide salvation... Jn. 6:40

Isa. 59:15-16b...Intercessor between man and God... Mt. 10:32

Isa. 59:20...He would come to Zion as their Redeemer... Lu. 2:38

Isa. 61:1-2a...The Spirit of God upon him... Mt. 3:16-17

Isa. 61:1-2b...The Messiah would preach the good news... Lu.

4:17-21

Isa. 61:1-2c...Provide freedom from the bondage of sin and

death... Jn. 8:31-32

Isa. 61:1-2...Proclaim a period of grace... Jn. 5:24

Jer.23:5-6a...Descendant of David...Lu. 3:23-31

Jer. 23:5-6b...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 13:13

Jer. 23:5-6c...The Messiah would be both God and Man... 1 Tim.

3:16

Jer. 31:22...Born of a virgin... Mt. 1:18-20

Jer. 31:31...The Messiah would be the new covenant... Mt. 26:28

Jer. 33:14-15...Descendant of David... Lu. 3:23-31

Eze.17:22-24...Descendant of David... Lk. 3:23-31

Eze.34:23-24...Descendant of David... Mt. 1:1

Dan. 7:13-14a...He would ascend into heaven... Acts 1:9-11

Dan. 7:13-14b...Highly exalted... Eph. 1:20-22

Dan. 7:13-14c...His dominion would be everlasting... Lu. 1:31-33

Dan. 9:24a...To make an end to sins... Gal. 1:3-5

Dan. 9:24b...He would be holy... Lu. 1:35

Dan. 9:25...Announced to his people 483 years, to the exact day,

after the decree to rebuild the city of Jerusalem... Jn. 12:12-13

Dan. 9:26a...Killed... Mt. 27:35

Dan. 9:26b...Die for the sins of the world... Heb. 2:9

Dan. 9:26c...Killed before the destruction of the temple... Mt.

27:50-51

Dan. 10:5-6...Messiah in a glorified state... Rev. 1:13-16

Hos. 13:14...He would defeat death... 1 Cor. 15:55-57

Joel 2:32...Offer salvation to all mankind... Rom. 10:12-13

Mic. 5:2a...Born in Bethlehem... Mt. 2:1-2

Mic. 5:2b...God's servant... Jn. 15:10

Mic. 5:2c...From everlasting... Jn. 8:58

Hag. 2:6-9...He would visit the second Temple... Lu. 2:27-32

Hag. 2:23...Descendant of Zerubbabel... Lu. 3:23-27

Zech. 3:8...God's servant... Jn. 17:4

Zech. 6:12-13...Priest and King... Heb. 8:1

Zech. 9:9a...Greeted with rejoicing in Jerusalem... Mt. 21:8-10

Zech. 9:9b...Beheld as King... Jn. 12:12-13

Zech. 9:9c...The Messiah would be just... Jn. 5:30

Zech. 9:9d...The Messiah would bring salvation... Luke 19:10

Zech. 9:9e...The Messiah would be humble... Mt. 11:29

Zech. 9:9f...Presented to Jerusalem riding on a donkey... Mt. 21:6-

9

Zech. 10:4...The cornerstone... Eph. 2:20

Zech. 11:4-6a...At His coming, Israel to have unfit leaders... Mt.

23:1-4

Zech. 11:4-6b...Rejection causes God to remove His protection..

Lu. 19:41-44

Zech. 11:4-6c...Rejected in favor of another king... Jn. 19:13-15

Zech. 11:7...Ministry to "poor," the believing remnant... Mt. 9:35-

36

Zech. 11:8a...Unbelief forces Messiah to reject them... Mt. 23:33

Zech. 11:8b...Despised... Mt. 27:20

Zech. 11:9...Stops ministering to the those who rejected Him...

Mt. 13:10-11

Zech. 11:10-11a...Rejection causes God to remove protection...

Lu. 19:41-44

Zech. 11:10-11b...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 14:7

Zech. 11:12-13a...Betrayed for thirty pieces of silver... Mt. 26:14-

15

Zech. 11:12-13b...Rejected... Mt. 26:14-15

Zech. 11:12-13c...Thirty pieces of silver thrown into the house of

the Lord... Mt. 27:3-5

Zech. 11:12-13d...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 12:45

Zech. 12:10a...The Messiah's body would be pierced... Jn. 19:34-

37

Zech. 12:10b...The Messiah would be both God and man... Jn.

10:30

Zech. 12:10c...The Messiah would be rejected... Jn. 1:11

Zech. 13:7a...God's will He die for mankind... Jn. 18:11

Zech. 13:7b...A violent death... Mt. 27:35

Zech. 13:7c...Both God and man.. Jn. 14:9

Zech. 13:7d...Israel scattered as a result of rejecting Him... Mt.

26:31-56

Mal. 3:1a...Messenger to prepare the way for Messiah... Mt. 11:10

Mal. 3:1b...Sudden appearance at the temple... Mk. 11:15-16

Mal. 3:1c...Messenger of the new covenant... Lu. 4:43

Mal. 4:5...Forerunner in the spirit of Elijah... Mt. 3:1-2

Mal. 4:6...Forerunner would turn many to righteousness... Lu.1:16-17

[Ted]

The question is "is there a heaven"?

[Ted]

The Greeks thought it was on top of Mount Olympus.

[Ted]

oh?

[Ted]

Read "Days of Awe and Wonder" by Marcus Borg.

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Ted;1525918 wrote: The question is "is there a heaven"?


Yes there is, but actually there are three heavens that we know of. The first is the atmosphere that we breathe, the second is outer space and the third is above them all, where God resides. Paul said that he was taken to the third heaven:

It is believed that when Paul was stoned to death that he was allowed to see heaven (near death experience) and then God sent him back. Part of the reason I believe that God allowed this was to motivate him to keep spreading the gospel because he had already been through so much including being stoned to death. His body was battered.

Paul writes:

12 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

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Ted;1525919 wrote: The Greeks thought it was on top of Mount Olympus.


You need to decide who you think is more credible, The Greeks or the one who created the Greeks and everything else that exists. Jesus Christ created everything, He lived in heaven, then came down here and told us about heaven. He personally trained the Apostle Paul. Paul died and saw heaven (The 3rd heaven) first hand. He said that he heard (and saw) things that he wasn't allowed to repeat. He did say that it was "Far Better" than this world. Why wouldn't he be allowed to repeat these things? Perhaps it's because people would be committing suicide to get there. But only the saved will be permitted to go there in the first place.

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Ted;1525928 wrote: oh? Oh what?

[Ted]

Xfrod I will put it clearly. I trust in God. I do not need the very human book called "The Bible" to be like contract. Jesus himself was a human being albeit a very unique person. And to make Him into a God is to demean the very unique person he was. As for heaven that is questionable but I trust in God. I do not need all of this BS applied to Jesus.

Do you really trust in the Divine? That is questionable.

[Ted]

I trust in God. I do not need a contract such as the very human book "The Bible. I do not need all of those appendages that people put to Jesus was a very unique individual with a very special relation withe the Divine. No Jesus was not God. He was executed for treason and crimes against the state. To make his death an atonement is to make God into some kind of monster. Jesus was indeed a very unique individual who had an strong relationship with the Divine,

[Ted]

Oops double post.

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Ted;1525929 wrote: Read "Days of Awe and Wonder" by Marcus Borg.


The Bible is a timeless book and is inspired by God. Do you believe this? If not, then what do you base your beliefs on?

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Ted;1526048 wrote: Xfrod I will put it clearly. I trust in God. I do not need the very human book called "The Bible" to be like contract. Jesus himself was a human being albeit a very unique person. And to make Him into a God is to demean the very unique person he was. As for heaven that is questionable but I trust in God. I do not need all of this BS applied to Jesus.

Do you really trust in the Divine? That is questionable.


Interesting that you claim to know a lot about Jesus, but you don't believe the Bible. What do you place your beliefs of Jesus upon if not the Bible? Also, Jesus Christ referenced the Bible as authoritative from God and expected us to believe it. Was Jesus wrong? Jesus Christ clearly claimed to be God in the flesh so I think you are way off base again.

The basis of Christianity is the Bible. There are many many reasons to believe that it is God's Word. The prophecies that I listed earlier that were fulfilled hundreds of years later is just one example. There really is no other book like it. Had those things not really happened, the eyewitnesses from Christ's day would have decried that they were false, yet no one, not even His critics did so.

Do I really trust in the Divine? I trust in the Lord God of the Bible and He has revealed Himself to me in many different ways. He has spoken to me many times and has performed true miracles in my family.

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Ted;1526049 wrote: I trust in God. I do not need a contract such as the very human book "The Bible. I do not need all of those appendages that people put to Jesus was a very unique individual with a very special relation withe the Divine. No Jesus was not God. He was executed for treason and crimes against the state. To make his death an atonement is to make God into some kind of monster. Jesus was indeed a very unique individual who had an strong relationship with the Divine,


The problem with your argument is that the prophecies written hundreds of years before His birth in the OT, directly contradict your assessment.

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Ted;1526050 wrote: Oops double post.


It really puzzles me how you could see all of the Biblical evidence of Christ and yet come to a different conclusion than that of the historical evidence. How does this happen?

[Ted]

Xfrod I do not believe the Bible top be the inerrant word of God. We do learn of Jesus in the Bible but really very little., I believe that Jesus of Nazareth was a very historical person but not God. To make Jesus in to God is to demean the very wonderful person he was. It is also to demean the very name of God. You turn God into some evil monster who needs blood to be shed in order to assuage his petulant anger. What kind of God do you worship? Certainly it is not the God who tells us that his concerns are justice and compassion. Jesus himself has said that "You have heard it said . . . but I say . . . He changed the law.

[Ted]

My trust in the Divine is based on my experiences of the Divine or the or Sacred. Just because the "Bible" claims to be from God does not make it so. Many of the ancient sacred scriptures make the same claim. Jesus was a very unique human being, and that is what he was. He had a unique relationship with God but he was not God. To make him into God is to slight the Divine and it is also a slight to make a slight against the most unique human who ever existed.

[FourPart]

The stories in the Bible are just re-hashes of ones in other Religions, thousands of years older. Even if the people named as the supposed authors were to have existed (which I don't believe they did), then all they were doing was putting down a compliation of stories they had heard from other cultures, along with a bit of their own embellishment, which is how all legends originate.

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Ted;1526135 wrote: Xfrod I do not believe the Bible top be the inerrant word of God. We do learn of Jesus in the Bible but really very little., I believe that Jesus of Nazareth was a very historical person but not God. To make Jesus in to God is to demean the very wonderful person he was. It is also to demean the very name of God. You turn God into some evil monster who needs blood to be shed in order to assuage his petulant anger. What kind of God do you worship? Certainly it is not the God who tells us that his concerns are justice and compassion. Jesus himself has said that "You have heard it said . . . but I say . . . He changed the law.


Here is the issue for you. There are 1-200 or more prophecies in the OT of Christ's first coming that came true. There are zero writings historical or otherwise that refute the eyewitness accounts that attest to these prophecies being fulfilled. Then you have the miracles that Jesus performed to prove His deity. Who could do these things but God? The biggest problem that you have is the resurrection of Christ. Thousands saw Him after His resurrection and many hundreds saw His ascension into heaven. Shortly thereafter, you have an explosion of Christianity which spread all around the world. Think about this. To proclaim Christ meant death and torture for many at that time. A man may give his life for a cause that he believes is true, but is in fact false, but no man would be wiling to give his life for what he KNOWS to be a lie. Had Christ not really risen from the dead, His followers would have stopped proclaiming His name, yet they didn't. They gave their lives and were beaten, tortured and killed for their faith. They wouldn't have done that had He not risen. If Christ IS indeed risen, then Christ is indeed God in the flesh, the promised Messiah from the OT.

The entire Bible, from the OT to the New is about how God DID require a blood sacrifice because the life is in the blood of the animal. God does everything in a legal way in heaven and it MUST happen according to the laws of heaven. God the Father is the judge, satan is the prosecutor, Christ is the Attorney for those who place their faith in Him. If you don't have Christ, you have no Advocate and are therefore defenseless against satan's accusations before the Father in heaven.

I think you are confusing a Christian proclaiming God's truth with the Christian being angry some how. It's not anger, it's a warning that's done out of LOVE for that person because God doesn't want that person to have to be punished, but God will have to punish them if they won't accept His pardon through Christ.

Jesus fulfilled the law, now we are under God's Grace. Grace still requires you to place your faith in Christ for salvation, trusting in His sacrifice to pay for your sins that He died and rose again, shedding His blood for you.

God is the one who sets the rules, not us. If you don't like the blood being the price, sorry, but that is the way it is. Jesus already gave it for you out of love for you. Trust Him.

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Happy Sunday! Find a good Bible believing Church and attend.

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Ted;1526162 wrote: My trust in the Divine is based on my experiences of the Divine or the or Sacred. Just because the "Bible" claims to be from God does not make it so. Many of the ancient sacred scriptures make the same claim. Jesus was a very unique human being, and that is what he was. He had a unique relationship with God but he was not God. To make him into God is to slight the Divine and it is also a slight to make a slight against the most unique human who ever existed.


The problem with saying that your trust in the Divine is based on your experience with the Divine is this: Everyone has different experiences. Muslims have different experiences than Christians for the most part, Buddhists have different experiences than Hindus, ect. i don't believe what the Bible says, merely because it says so. I believe it because it's proven it's self to be the very Word of God. Don't you find it to be an amazing coincidence that all of those details of Christ's life were known hundreds of years before His birth in the OT? How would you explain that other than that it's from God? What about Christ's miracles. How would you explain that? How do you explain the resurrection? Why do the secular writings from His day and shortly therafter support the Biblical claim, but directly contradict the quran? I would agree that Christ is the most unique human that ever lived The reasons above are my reason for believing that. What are your reasons for believing that?

[Ted]

Try to under stand the nature of "Midrash"

[Ted]

Try to understand the nature of "Midrash

[Ted]

Xfrod I was raised in the fundamentalist fold. Fundamentalism is in my view not the least bit credible.

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Xfrod I simply have a different view. I do not agree with you. There are some 23000 variations of the Christian faith and many claiming to have the only or the sole truth. You are right there with the other 23999 others., You have failed to convince that of all those people that you and you alone have the sole handle on the truth. I'm sorry but that is a joke and that is what gives faith a bad name. Basically you follow a faith based on fear and are afraid of the truth.

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FourPart;1526176 wrote: The stories in the Bible are just re-hashes of ones in other Religions, thousands of years older. Even if the people named as the supposed authors were to have existed (which I don't believe they did), then all they were doing was putting down a compliation of stories they had heard from other cultures, along with a bit of their own embellishment, which is how all legends originate.


No they aren't except I will admit that the flood legends around the world may pre date the Biblical penning of the event, but they are not God inspired. Since there are flood legends around the world it really does point to the fact that there really was a world wide flood. The Bible says it was around 4,500 years ago. It wasn't penned in the Jewish, God inspired Scripture until Moses recorded it around 1400 BC. If they were merely penning down stories that were handed down as you claim, they wouldn't have known many of the things that we are now learning about the earth and the Universe. One such detail regarding the flood is how the "Fountains of the deep" were broken up at the time of the flood. You can view this tear in the earth by simply looking at Google Earth in the center of the Atlantic Ocean. There is a large tear in the bottom of the sea where the earth ripped open at the time of the flood and water that was inside of the earth sprang up. Interestingly, if you follow this tear in the earth it stops right at Israel.

Genesis 7:11In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

They wouldn't have known that the earth was round:

Isaiah 40:22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

They wouldn't have known that it hangs on nothing in outer space:

Job 26:7He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

They wouldn't have known many other scientific facts recorded thousands of years before their discovery.

Such as the fact that a baby's blood clots more on the 8th day after birth than any other time in their life, which is why God commanded them to circumcise the males on the 8th day. There are many other things.

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Ted;1526251 wrote: Try to under stand the nature of "Midrash"


I think we have had this conversation before. The Bible was completed around AD 90 and Midrash didn't come about until over 200 AD. I will admit that there are times when Jesus did use allegories to make a point and there are times when allegories are used. Many times the allegory is explained after it is used because there is always a literal meaning behind it.

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Ted;1526253 wrote: Xfrod I was raised in the fundamentalist fold. Fundamentalism is in my view not the least bit credible.


It makes me sad to know that you were abused by your Church or whatever. I am truly sorry that men used God as an excuse to abuse you. They will have to answer to God for it one day. I was a victim of legalism and Spiritual abuse as well. I could have easily turned away from my faith if it weren't for the fact that I knew that it was true and that the God of the Bible is real. I left the Church for 12 years, but never stopped believing. God never left my side and ultimately, He is the one who brought me back and gave me purpose. I came to realize that not all fundamental Churches are legalistic and abusive. I came to realize that I could serve God and that He wasn't about taking away all of the fun out of life. Although it's not God's first priority to make us happy and give us an easy life necessarily, His first priority is to prepare His followers for eternity I believe. It's sad to know that you once had the truth about the Bible and now reject it. You need to get back to the understanding of the Bible. Don't let anyone push you away from the Lord. I go to Church for God, not the people. If I were to go for them, I wouldn't go at all.

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Ted;1526256 wrote: Xfrod I simply have a different view. I do not agree with you. There are some 23000 variations of the Christian faith and many claiming to have the only or the sole truth. You are right there with the other 23999 others., You have failed to convince that of all those people that you and you alone have the sole handle on the truth. I'm sorry but that is a joke and that is what gives faith a bad name. Basically you follow a faith based on fear and are afraid of the truth.


I follow what the Scriptures actually say because I believe God. Why not believe God's Word? Instead of worrying about what the Bible actually says, you are focusing on how many Denominations there are. It's not a faith based on fear because I have no fear of death or hell. The only ones who need to fear are those who won't turn to Christ for salvation and most of them don't believe the Bible any way.

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Ted;1525918 wrote: The question is "is there a heaven"?


Christians Do go to heaven:

Mr 16:19 ¶ So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Â*2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

(KJV)

Php 1:21 ¶ For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

Â*22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

Â*23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Â*24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

People in heaven:

Â*Re 19:1 ¶ And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

(KJV)

Jesus came down from heaven

John 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Jesus Christ is going to rule and reign on the earth.Â* The believers will be with Him on the earth at that time.Â* Right now believer's go to heaven to be with the Lord Jesus Christ because that is where He is.Â*

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Ted;1526252 wrote: Try to understand the nature of "Midrash


Why are you so hung up on this Midrash non-sense?

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Heaven - What Is it Like and Where Is it?

https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-s ... 36670.html

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This boy, Colton Burpo, says he had a NDE and went to heaven. They made a movie out of it.



HEAVEN IS FOR REAL - Official Movie Trailer

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xfrodobagginsx;1526582 wrote: ----------------------------

HEAVEN IS FOR REAL - Official Movie Trailer---------------------


Do not lose sight of the fact that your words of God were decided by a single thug named Constantine whose control over the Bishops was near complete .

They left out every book that did not support Paul's slant on Christianity and gave you an abbreviated and sanitised version of what best suited one butcher and his vision of what best suited himself .

Introduce yourself to the Book of Enoch as a primer for a fuller history and upgrade your wisdom and understanding . imho .

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Raphael;1526602 wrote: Do not lose sight of the fact that your words of God were decided by a single thug named Constantine whose control over the Bishops was near complete .

They left out every book that did not support Paul's slant on Christianity and gave you an abbreviated and sanitised version of what best suited one butcher and his vision of what best suited himself .

Introduce yourself to the Book of Enoch as a primer for a fuller history and upgrade your wisdom and understanding . imho .


FALSE The Bible was written over a 1600 year period LONG before Constantine was even born. It was not up to Constantine which books were in the Bible. They left out every book that wasn't written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events and they had to be written by an Apostle of Christ or an associate. The only exceptions were Jame and Jude who were half brothers of Jesus Christ.

The book of Enoch was NOT written by Enoch. It is no doubt a book that was used for history and wisdom, but not Scripture. The Gospel of Mary, Judas, ect. are also fakes that were not written by those bearing their name and not in their lifetimes. They also contradict the God inspired Scriptures.

Here is a snippet from WIKIPEDIA regarding the development of the Biblical Canon.



Irenaeus (died c. 202) quotes and cites 21 books that would end up as part of the New Testament, but does not use Philemon, Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 3 John and Jude.[8] By the early 3rd century Origen of Alexandria may have been using the same 27 books as in the modern New Testament, though there were still disputes over the canonicity of Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, and Revelation[9] (see also Antilegomena). Likewise by 200 the Muratorian fragment shows that there existed a set of Christian writings somewhat similar to what is now the New Testament, which included four gospels and argued against objections to them.[10] Thus, while there was plenty of discussion in the Early Church over the New Testament canon, the "major" writings were accepted by almost all Christian authorities by the middle of the second century.[11]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developme ... ical_canon

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Constantine did NOT corrupt the Bible. Here is an article on it for you:

Did Constantine corrupt the Bible (perhaps at Council of Nicaea)?

https://thebible.evangel.site/did-const ... BsQAvD_BwE

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I believe that Constantine started the Catholic Church which I believe it a corrupted form of Christianity because they don't strictly adhere to the Scriptures.

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Ted;1526135 wrote: Xfrod I do not believe the Bible top be the inerrant word of God. We do learn of Jesus in the Bible but really very little., I believe that Jesus of Nazareth was a very historical person but not God. To make Jesus in to God is to demean the very wonderful person he was. It is also to demean the very name of God. You turn God into some evil monster who needs blood to be shed in order to assuage his petulant anger. What kind of God do you worship? Certainly it is not the God who tells us that his concerns are justice and compassion. Jesus himself has said that "You have heard it said . . . but I say . . . He changed the law.


The story of Jesus being the Messiah is a blasphemy. Judaism set the rules but the followers of Jesus (not Jesus himself) tweaked it beyond all recognition. It's like presenting all of the historical proof of the earth being round (as opose to being flat) and finishing up with the botton line ... "and that is why the earth is a cube." In other words, Judaism introduced the concept of a "messiah" and set the parametres for what a (the) messiah ought to be and what its' function is to be. Then the Christ-followers came along and proclaimed Jesus the Messiah despite him fulfilling none of the most important messiah-criteria. Why invent a supersonic hoverboard and call it a hammer?

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High Threshold;1526720 wrote: The story of Jesus being the Messiah is a blasphemy. Judaism set the rules but the followers of Jesus (not Jesus himself) tweaked it beyond all recognition. It's like presenting all of the historical proof of the earth being round (as opose to being flat) and finishing up with the botton line ... "and that is why the earth is a cube." In other words, Judaism introduced the concept of a "messiah" and set the parametres for what a (the) messiah ought to be and what its' function is to be. Then the Christ-followers came along and proclaimed Jesus the Messiah despite him fulfilling none of the most important messiah-criteria. Why invent a supersonic hoverboard and call it a hammer?


Actually, it's blasphemy to deny Jesus as Messiah. Jesus is Jehovah and gave Moses the 10 commandments on Mt. Sinai and He also gave Him the law, so Jesus does make the rules. Yes the Jews added to the law and corrupted it, we agree on that. Where in the Bible does it say that the earth is a "Cube" No it doesn't. It says that it is round. I don't even think the word cube occurs in the entire Bible. The OT made hundreds of prophecies about the Messiah and Jesus Christ fulfilled all requirements of the Messiah and although He has fulfilled over 100 prophecies, He hasn't fulfilled them all because many of them are still future because Israel rejected their Messiah.

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xfrodobagginsx;1526824 wrote: Actually, it's blasphemy to deny Jesus as Messiah. Jesus is Jehovah and gave Moses the 10 commandments on Mt. Sinai and He also gave Him the law, so Jesus does make the rules. Yes the Jews added to the law and corrupted it, we agree on that. Where in the Bible does it say that the earth is a "Cube" No it doesn't. It says that it is round. I don't even think the word cube occurs in the entire Bible. The OT made hundreds of prophecies about the Messiah and Jesus Christ fulfilled all requirements of the Messiah and although He has fulfilled over 100 prophecies, He hasn't fulfilled them all because many of them are still future because Israel rejected their Messiah.
FIRST: One man's blasphemy is another man's truth. It is not possible to blaspheme the blasphemer.

SECOND: You completely missed the "cube" analogy.

THIRD: Jesus did not fulfil the role of messiah and his followers actually defiled its' definition in claiming that he did.

FOURTH: Israel could not have rejected "their Messiah" (Christ) because the Jews defined it themselves. There is no 'other' messiah to measure.

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xfrodobagginsx;1526824 wrote: Actually, it's blasphemy to deny Jesus as Messiah. Jesus is Jehovah and gave Moses the 10 commandments on Mt. Sinai and He also gave Him the law, so Jesus does make the rules. etc etc .




Blasphemy denies the existence of God .

But people deny the existence of many , many things .

So what ?

It only becomes problematic when significant numbers deny the existence of something which actually is proven-- based on scientific process and conclusions .

God as a term used by you is just a self appointed power who had a special liking for Israelites .

The odds are that this God was very local and probably one of the Annunaki .

But , of course , there is no evidence that his kingdom was more than that .

And if you want to believe differently , so be it .

But do not assume that your articles of belief and faith are of any real interest to others. Or have real relevance .

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High Threshold;1526825 wrote: FIRST: One man's blasphemy is another man's truth. It is not possible to blaspheme the blasphemer.

SECOND: You completely missed the "cube" analogy.

THIRD: Jesus did not fulfil the role of messiah and his followers actually defiled its' definition in claiming that he did.

FOURTH: Israel could not have rejected "their Messiah" (Christ) because the Jews defined it themselves. There is no 'other' messiah to measure.


1) It's not about man's rules. It's about God's rules. The Bible (God's Word) sets the rules. To deny Christ as Messiah, is to call God a liar because the Bible says He is the Messiah.

2) Remind me what the cube analogy was.

3) Jesus Christ DID fulfill the role of Messiah and Jesus Christ claimed to be God and was God. His followers were merely believing Him and His Word, the Bible.

4) The Jews DID reject their Messiah and it was not the Jews who defined the Messiah, it was God through His Word, the Bible. There are hundreds of prophecies that told where He would be born, when He would be born, that He would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, that he would be killed, that He would be the Everlasting Father, that He would be rejected, and on and on and on....The genealogies in the Gospel prove His lineage and qualify Him as King. His miracles, fulfilled prophecies, death, shed blood and resurrection qualify Him as Messiah.

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xfrodobagginsx;1527048 wrote: 1) It's not about man's rules. It's about God's rules. The Bible (God's Word) sets the rules. To deny Christ as Messiah, is to call God a liar because the Bible says He is the Messiah.

2) Remind me what the cube analogy was.

3) Jesus Christ DID fulfill the role of Messiah and Jesus Christ claimed to be God and was God. His followers were merely believing Him and His Word, the Bible.

4) The Jews DID reject their Messiah and it was not the Jews who defined the Messiah, it was God through His Word, the Bible. There are hundreds of prophecies that told where He would be born, when He would be born, that He would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, that he would be killed, that He would be the Everlasting Father, that He would be rejected, and on and on and on....The genealogies in the Gospel prove His lineage and qualify Him as King. His miracles, fulfilled prophecies, death, shed blood and resurrection qualify Him as Messiah.


1) God didn't write the bible so its contents is fantasy reflecting superstition of primitive and unenlightened homo sapiens.

2) Jesus was not God's son. He was one of a thousand prophets who (as all of the others) talked about what he thought (or hoped) would be a good idea.

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Raphael;1526895 wrote: Blasphemy denies the existence of God .

But people deny the existence of many , many things .

So what ?

It only becomes problematic when significant numbers deny the existence of something which actually is proven-- based on scientific process and conclusions .

God as a term used by you is just a self appointed power who had a special liking for Israelites .

The odds are that this God was very local and probably one of the Annunaki .

But , of course , there is no evidence that his kingdom was more than that .

And if you want to believe differently , so be it .

But do not assume that your articles of belief and faith are of any real interest to others. Or have real relevance .


Blasphemy is more broad than merely denying the existence of God. Mocking God is blasphemy, whether the person believes in Him or not.

There is no reason to doubt the Bible as the Authoritative Word of God. The over 100 fulfilled prophecies, plus many more, the miracles of Christ, the eyewitness accounts matching with the secular accounts from His day and shortly after, the explosion of Christianity after His resurrection, plus my own person relationship with Christ. It's 100% true.

As pertaining to my Articles. You are not the only one who comes to this site. There are hundreds of people per day that view it.

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High Threshold;1527134 wrote: 1) God didn't write the bible so its contents is fantasy reflecting superstition of primitive and unenlightened homo sapiens.

2) Jesus was not God's son. He was one of a thousand prophets who (as all of the others) talked about what he thought (or hoped) would be a good idea.


You can make that assertion, but it's not true. God is very real and the Bible is His Word. Jesus was indeed God's Son and He was God in the Flesh. He created all things, knows all things, performed miracles, died and rose again. You call Him a liar, then you call Him a prophet. What kind of prophet do you think He is? He claimed to be God in the flesh and performed miracles to prove it. He fulfilled hundreds of prophecies. The Bible was written by the actual eyewitnesses to these events. He often referred people back to the Scriptures saying "Is it not written..."

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According to Missionaries: OVER HALF OF ALL MUSLIMS THAT CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY SAY IT'S BECAUSE JESUS APPEARED TO THEM IN A DREAM OR VISION:

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