OMG! So now South Korea will work towards nuclear power, and where after that?
We already have enough nuclear weapons to blow up our planet eight times over! When will these fools finally blow us all to Kingdom come? When we can blow ourselves up ten times over? Why does every country feel the need to "protect" itself when an escalation in hostilities will annihilate us all - and no one will be "protected"! :-5 :-5 :-5 :-5
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My reaction?
Oh ****.
Oh ****.
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This just confirms what has long been suspected. I don't think it changes much..
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i don't want to provoke an argument here but why is this worse than say israel, Iran or even France having nukes
no honestly they all scare me
no honestly they all scare me
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Scrat wrote: So what are we going to do now?
Nothing, hopefully.
Nothing, hopefully.
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jimbo wrote: i don't want to provoke an argument here but why is this worse than say israel, Iran or even France having nukes
no honestly they all scare me
In many ways it's no different, they can't ever use them unless they want to comit national suicide..The big fear is that they may provide one to a terrorist group.
no honestly they all scare me
In many ways it's no different, they can't ever use them unless they want to comit national suicide..The big fear is that they may provide one to a terrorist group.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.
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Scrat wrote: I don't think it will change much in the immediate future. As for nukes in general the Genie was let out of the bottle 60+ years ago, we just have to live with the fact that they are there.
It is meant for defensive purposes so far and considering the hostile nature of the American agenda they have a reason for it.
and how does it help them in dealing with America?
It is meant for defensive purposes so far and considering the hostile nature of the American agenda they have a reason for it.
and how does it help them in dealing with America?
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.
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North Korea are unlike most states or countries in my opinion. Who knows what goes on there? I think of them as one huge cult of brainwashed peoples (before anyone says not all of them, well not all but they're not allowed to speak out on fear of 'disappearing').....with nuclear armourment. Great!
I remember watching a documentary made with a smuggled in camera and it was like something out of a bizarre sci-fi film - you know, the future according to Ridley Scott or whatever, maybe with a splash of Orwell for good measure. I'm sorry but the North Korean regime is unlike that of the middle eastern or other so call ed 'hostile' areas. The fact that it is such an unknown quantity is actually pretty unnerving in my humble opinion.
I remember watching a documentary made with a smuggled in camera and it was like something out of a bizarre sci-fi film - you know, the future according to Ridley Scott or whatever, maybe with a splash of Orwell for good measure. I'm sorry but the North Korean regime is unlike that of the middle eastern or other so call ed 'hostile' areas. The fact that it is such an unknown quantity is actually pretty unnerving in my humble opinion.
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zinkyusa wrote: In many ways it's no different, they can't ever use them unless they want to comit national suicide..The big fear is that they may provide one to a terrorist group.
I agree, zinky. The biggest fear I have is terrorists getting hold of some sort of nuke, and using it to provoke armageddon:(
I agree, zinky. The biggest fear I have is terrorists getting hold of some sort of nuke, and using it to provoke armageddon:(
Behaviour breeds behaviour - treat people how you would like to be treated yourself
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It's inevitable. With so many countries having them, it's only a matter of time. For instance it would only take two well placed nukes, one at edinburgh and one at london, for the whole of the uk to die. N. Korea is trying to blackmail the u.s. into economic concessions. It's trying to get one aimed at alaska. It's economy is imploding, so they need money. He is a desperate despot trying to save face. They dont have a missile to put it on yet, but that too is only a matter of time.
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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I suppose the question is then, what do we do? A pre-emptive, conventional strike? Appeasement? An absolute quagmire:(
Behaviour breeds behaviour - treat people how you would like to be treated yourself
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woppy71 wrote: I suppose the question is then, what do we do? A pre-emptive, conventional strike? Appeasement? An absolute quagmire:(
It's the cuban missile crisis all over again. But do we have the wise leaders we did then? Sadly I for one am not so sure that we do. It's the dreadful crisis of our times. We dont have any previous history with this to guide us. These weapons are so final!
It's the cuban missile crisis all over again. But do we have the wise leaders we did then? Sadly I for one am not so sure that we do. It's the dreadful crisis of our times. We dont have any previous history with this to guide us. These weapons are so final!
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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Scrat wrote: It will deter a land invasion by SK and American forces. Possibly the Chinese also.
I think the government of N Korea has willingly made a choice of MAD versus being attacked by whomever. About the only choice an attacker will have now is airstrikes which they most likely are ready for.
This is pointless anyway, no one will attack N Korea. Especially now.
I saw that movie too. I think it was absurdly biased. Why? Because it was made by a westerner, for consumption in the west. I wouldn't expect it to be any other way and be ALLOWED in the western media.
I cruise Chinese sites and I have found pics of very "strange" things in N Korea, such as little houses nestled in amongst big highrise apt complexes. When inquiring further on this "strange" setting I found that old people live in those little houses. They refuse to move and are allowed to stay there in their little homes. The highrises have to wait for them to die or move on before they are built.
Hmmmm
, it seems to me that those old people would be dragged from their homes into the streets and shot for obstructing progress in that evil place.
I also have never seen the starving hordes so often referred too. It does appear that the people do not have much in a material sense but they are reasonably well fed and cared for. Ihave seen mothers with those baby carriers and babies in front and backpacks on their backs. Both being new and very similar to what I see here in Seattle. I have seen farmers markets in the countryside and Iced tea and lemonade stands in the trainstations with small restaurants.
One bad thing that I don't agree with is videos of drug smugglers being taken to the town dump and shot but Ihave seen that in China too.
Mind you these were photos taken by CHINESE tourists, not western tourists in documentaries that are done for a PURPOSE.
It does appear that they are having a DIFFICULT TIME there. But the people are making it. I do believe that with Chinas help they get by and the difficulties they face are largely because of the sanctions that have been enforced/imposed on them by governments with other agendas.
Which 'movie' was it you saw Scrat?
I think the government of N Korea has willingly made a choice of MAD versus being attacked by whomever. About the only choice an attacker will have now is airstrikes which they most likely are ready for.
This is pointless anyway, no one will attack N Korea. Especially now.
I saw that movie too. I think it was absurdly biased. Why? Because it was made by a westerner, for consumption in the west. I wouldn't expect it to be any other way and be ALLOWED in the western media.
I cruise Chinese sites and I have found pics of very "strange" things in N Korea, such as little houses nestled in amongst big highrise apt complexes. When inquiring further on this "strange" setting I found that old people live in those little houses. They refuse to move and are allowed to stay there in their little homes. The highrises have to wait for them to die or move on before they are built.
Hmmmm
, it seems to me that those old people would be dragged from their homes into the streets and shot for obstructing progress in that evil place. I also have never seen the starving hordes so often referred too. It does appear that the people do not have much in a material sense but they are reasonably well fed and cared for. Ihave seen mothers with those baby carriers and babies in front and backpacks on their backs. Both being new and very similar to what I see here in Seattle. I have seen farmers markets in the countryside and Iced tea and lemonade stands in the trainstations with small restaurants.
One bad thing that I don't agree with is videos of drug smugglers being taken to the town dump and shot but Ihave seen that in China too.
Mind you these were photos taken by CHINESE tourists, not western tourists in documentaries that are done for a PURPOSE.
It does appear that they are having a DIFFICULT TIME there. But the people are making it. I do believe that with Chinas help they get by and the difficulties they face are largely because of the sanctions that have been enforced/imposed on them by governments with other agendas.
Which 'movie' was it you saw Scrat?
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The land invasion was already deterred by the disproportionate size of the NK military and the proximity of Seoul to the DMZ..
The price may very well be the loss of the one remaining allie..
The price may very well be the loss of the one remaining allie..
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The documentary that I watched was one made by Channel 4 here in the UK. Channel 4 are notoriously left of centre and how can I put it?....well, not exactly pro US....so I have no reason to believe that the film was made with any pro-west/capitalist slant.
I really don't believe that the regime in NK has been exaggerated, it is nicknamed 'the secret state', just take a look at the non partisan Amnesty International website;
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-prk/index
This is a particularly interesting article;
North Korea: Denial of right to food 2004
"Public executions were highest between 1996 and 1998 when the famine was at its peak. People were stealing the infrastructure of society such as electric lines and copper wires and selling it."
(Interview by Amnesty International with Lee Sung-yong of the Seoul-based NGO, Good Friends - Centre for Peace, Human Rights & Refugees on 4 December 2002)
"I saw a 15 or 16 year old boy die; the boy was there [in detention] as he had sold glass from his school. After 15 days' detention, the boy died, because of malnutrition. There was so little food."
(Lee, North Korean man in his early forties, who gave testimony to Amnesty International on 3 December 2002)
North Korea is one of the world's most closed and isolated nations. For more than a decade, the people of North Korea have suffered from famine or food crisis. In a new report, Amnesty International argues that the North Korean government should ensure that food shortages are not used as a tool to persecute perceived political opponents and that humanitarian organizations, in particular UN agencies, have free and unimpeded access to all parts of North Korea.
"Hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of acute food shortages caused by a series of natural disasters, the loss of support from the former Soviet Union and economic mismanagement. Several million children suffer from chronic malnutrition, impairing their physical and mental development," Amnesty International emphasized.
Government policies are at least partly to blame. The government appears to have distributed food unevenly, favouring those who are economically active and politically loyal. Government restrictions on freedom of movement prevents North Koreans searching for food or moving to an area where food supplies are better, as they face punishment including detention if they leave their towns or villages without permission. They also hamper the movement, access and monitoring of international humanitarian agencies who have been involved in distributing food aid. This has contributed to donor fatigue and a fall in food aid commitments.
"The right to food is a basic human right, and the government of North Korea appears to be failing in its duties to respect, protect and fulfil this right", Amnesty said.
Widespread malnutrition has led to the movement of tens of thousands of people into China. Thousands have been forcibly repatriated by the Chinese authorities, and have then been detained by North Korean authorities in appalling conditions. Detainees are reported to have died of hunger. Many have reportedly been tortured during interrogations by the North Korean authorities.
Some North Koreans have been publicly executed because they have stolen food or goods to survive - school children have reportedly been taken to see the executions.
Children, women and the elderly are reported to be among the principle victims of North Korea's famine. Many women forced to go to China in search of food have been preyed on by trafficking gangs, which operate on both sides of the China-North Korea border.
Efforts by the international community to assist in the provision of food to North Korea have been undermined by the government's refusal to allow swift and equitable distribution of this food, and by the restrictions on freedom of information.
"Notwithstanding the obstacles to providing assistance, foreign states able to help must also provide the necessary food aid, to enable the North Korea government to fulfil its obligations to respect, protect and fulfil the right to food", Amnesty said.
"Provision of humanitarian aid should be guided at all times by human rights considerations and should never be used by any government as a bargaining tool to further political or economic interests."
For the full text of the report, please go to:
"Democratic Republic of North Korea: Starved of Rights: Human Rights and the Food Crisis in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea"
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engasa240032004
Also this one covers the issue of famine;
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/EN ... of=ENG-PRK
North Korea is a country whereby the people live under fear and a rigid state controlled system. They are systematically controlled and brainwashed from birth, when asked whether they wanted reunification with capitalist SK many asked said it would be a good thing because once the South had seen communism and the way they lived, they want to become communists too, and capitalism would naturally be quashed! I mean, if that's not delusional...... People are 'disappeared', children are taught songs praising Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il before they can read, write or count. The country looks like something from 1930's industrialised Russia with the exception of huge gleaming statues of Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il.
Sure, the stance that Bush has taken over the last few years may have got us into this situation. I think Madeline Albright was doing a good job prior to the phony Bush victory, it's better to keep your potential enemies close of course.
I don't think it's an issue of The West v's a quirky self sufficient but happy country, the likely outcome of all this is that Japan and the other surrounding countries will all be looking towards nuclear in fear of possible attack. And that's their neighbours, not the Big Bad Wolf West.
I also worry that nuclear technologies will be swapped between NK and other 'hostile' countries like Syria and Iran, we don't really want a situation whereby these countries think that they can ally, we might really have WWIII on our hands then...
Katy
I really don't believe that the regime in NK has been exaggerated, it is nicknamed 'the secret state', just take a look at the non partisan Amnesty International website;
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-prk/index
This is a particularly interesting article;
North Korea: Denial of right to food 2004
"Public executions were highest between 1996 and 1998 when the famine was at its peak. People were stealing the infrastructure of society such as electric lines and copper wires and selling it."
(Interview by Amnesty International with Lee Sung-yong of the Seoul-based NGO, Good Friends - Centre for Peace, Human Rights & Refugees on 4 December 2002)
"I saw a 15 or 16 year old boy die; the boy was there [in detention] as he had sold glass from his school. After 15 days' detention, the boy died, because of malnutrition. There was so little food."
(Lee, North Korean man in his early forties, who gave testimony to Amnesty International on 3 December 2002)
North Korea is one of the world's most closed and isolated nations. For more than a decade, the people of North Korea have suffered from famine or food crisis. In a new report, Amnesty International argues that the North Korean government should ensure that food shortages are not used as a tool to persecute perceived political opponents and that humanitarian organizations, in particular UN agencies, have free and unimpeded access to all parts of North Korea.
"Hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of acute food shortages caused by a series of natural disasters, the loss of support from the former Soviet Union and economic mismanagement. Several million children suffer from chronic malnutrition, impairing their physical and mental development," Amnesty International emphasized.
Government policies are at least partly to blame. The government appears to have distributed food unevenly, favouring those who are economically active and politically loyal. Government restrictions on freedom of movement prevents North Koreans searching for food or moving to an area where food supplies are better, as they face punishment including detention if they leave their towns or villages without permission. They also hamper the movement, access and monitoring of international humanitarian agencies who have been involved in distributing food aid. This has contributed to donor fatigue and a fall in food aid commitments.
"The right to food is a basic human right, and the government of North Korea appears to be failing in its duties to respect, protect and fulfil this right", Amnesty said.
Widespread malnutrition has led to the movement of tens of thousands of people into China. Thousands have been forcibly repatriated by the Chinese authorities, and have then been detained by North Korean authorities in appalling conditions. Detainees are reported to have died of hunger. Many have reportedly been tortured during interrogations by the North Korean authorities.
Some North Koreans have been publicly executed because they have stolen food or goods to survive - school children have reportedly been taken to see the executions.
Children, women and the elderly are reported to be among the principle victims of North Korea's famine. Many women forced to go to China in search of food have been preyed on by trafficking gangs, which operate on both sides of the China-North Korea border.
Efforts by the international community to assist in the provision of food to North Korea have been undermined by the government's refusal to allow swift and equitable distribution of this food, and by the restrictions on freedom of information.
"Notwithstanding the obstacles to providing assistance, foreign states able to help must also provide the necessary food aid, to enable the North Korea government to fulfil its obligations to respect, protect and fulfil the right to food", Amnesty said.
"Provision of humanitarian aid should be guided at all times by human rights considerations and should never be used by any government as a bargaining tool to further political or economic interests."
For the full text of the report, please go to:
"Democratic Republic of North Korea: Starved of Rights: Human Rights and the Food Crisis in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea"
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engasa240032004
Also this one covers the issue of famine;
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/EN ... of=ENG-PRK
North Korea is a country whereby the people live under fear and a rigid state controlled system. They are systematically controlled and brainwashed from birth, when asked whether they wanted reunification with capitalist SK many asked said it would be a good thing because once the South had seen communism and the way they lived, they want to become communists too, and capitalism would naturally be quashed! I mean, if that's not delusional...... People are 'disappeared', children are taught songs praising Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il before they can read, write or count. The country looks like something from 1930's industrialised Russia with the exception of huge gleaming statues of Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il.
Sure, the stance that Bush has taken over the last few years may have got us into this situation. I think Madeline Albright was doing a good job prior to the phony Bush victory, it's better to keep your potential enemies close of course.
I don't think it's an issue of The West v's a quirky self sufficient but happy country, the likely outcome of all this is that Japan and the other surrounding countries will all be looking towards nuclear in fear of possible attack. And that's their neighbours, not the Big Bad Wolf West.
I also worry that nuclear technologies will be swapped between NK and other 'hostile' countries like Syria and Iran, we don't really want a situation whereby these countries think that they can ally, we might really have WWIII on our hands then...
Katy
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The truth about North Korea is that it is a coutry ruled by a very eccentric (for want of a better phrase) pseudo-stalinist regieme headed by probably one of the worlds more unstable and unpredicable leaders. I think in the long run, the only country capable of dealing with this without starting a regional conflict is China. I think the U.S., S. Korea, and Japan, are hoping that the Chinese will find a way to either topple Kim Jong Il, or at least reverse his nuclear program out of their own self-interest, whether they can do that remains to be seen. Its certainly not a good situation, and its coming at a time when the Iranian nuclear program is becomming a very serious issue, dangerous times indeed.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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I can forsee the american goverment on insistance of the president withdrawing there forces from the middle east and sending them onto ships for a complete naval and air blokade of the north koreans then they will cruise missile the testing and production plants of the nuclear weapons once this is accomplished there will be tactical strikes using either seals or something like them or the airforce will precision bomb the reserch labs and they will assasinate the heads of the goverment and there military now all of this will have to be pulled off within 36 hrs of each other or better yet simultaniouslly they will then convince the un to go in with the back up of the americans convince the people to hold democratic elections they will then rig the elections so thet a person they want will comin to power then the crisis is over and the world has one less communist nation to deal with or this may not ever happen but it is a possiablity but probably not.see the attachment for the suggested blockaeds
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China isn't going to want such an unstable regime on its borders armed with nuclear weapons. NK is still a long way from being able to launch a nuclear attack on anybody. Bide a little and their leader will die and the regime will change. In the meantime threatening isn't going to work. If push comes to shove China can't stand by and let the US attack NK better to let them use their influence behind the scenes rather than allow KIM (forgotten his name) to grandstand and bluster. Invading NK would not be a walkover and is not really necessary. The days when gunboat diplomacy worked are long gone.
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MOTime wrote: I can forsee the american goverment on insistance of the president withdrawing there forces from the middle east and sending them onto ships for a complete naval and air blokade of the north koreans then they will cruise missile the testing and production plants of the nuclear weapons once this is accomplished there will be tactical strikes using either seals or something like them or the airforce will precision bomb the reserch labs and they will assasinate the heads of the goverment and there military now all of this will have to be pulled off within 36 hrs of each other or better yet simultaniouslly they will then convince the un to go in with the back up of the americans convince the people to hold democratic elections they will then rig the elections so thet a person they want will comin to power then the crisis is over and the world has one less communist nation to deal with or this may not ever happen but it is a possiablity but probably not.see the attachment for the suggested blockaeds
Erm, what good are 160,000 infantry soldiers siting on warships in the sea of Japan going to be good for except as targets for N Korean surface-to-surface missiles and air-to-surface missiles from attack aircraft? And how long would this pre-emptory removal of all U.S. personal from Iraq to immeadiatly become sailors in the waters around Korea take,..... a few days maybe, and lets hope the Iraqi's decide to stop the civil war as well?
How is the army going to send the "seals" into N. Korea to kill Kim Jung Ill as its one of the most heavily militarized and guarded states on Earth.
How would they presume to stop the N. Koreans from immeaditaly shellling Seoul (the capital of South Korea) with the 10,000 artiliery pieces it has place in close proximity to the border, which it is estimated that would kill at least 100,000 civilians in a matter of days and destroy the wolrd's 11th largest economy and one of the U.S.'s major trading partners.
How would the U.S. service men and women already in South Korea along the D.M.Z. be protected from an immeadiate attack from the N. Korean army which has 1.2 Million men, thousands of tanks, artillery units, air support, and missile battalions?
And last but not least, is anyone going to mention any of this to the Chinese?
Methinks perhaps this "plan" is a little unplanned.
Erm, what good are 160,000 infantry soldiers siting on warships in the sea of Japan going to be good for except as targets for N Korean surface-to-surface missiles and air-to-surface missiles from attack aircraft? And how long would this pre-emptory removal of all U.S. personal from Iraq to immeadiatly become sailors in the waters around Korea take,..... a few days maybe, and lets hope the Iraqi's decide to stop the civil war as well?
How is the army going to send the "seals" into N. Korea to kill Kim Jung Ill as its one of the most heavily militarized and guarded states on Earth.
How would they presume to stop the N. Koreans from immeaditaly shellling Seoul (the capital of South Korea) with the 10,000 artiliery pieces it has place in close proximity to the border, which it is estimated that would kill at least 100,000 civilians in a matter of days and destroy the wolrd's 11th largest economy and one of the U.S.'s major trading partners.
How would the U.S. service men and women already in South Korea along the D.M.Z. be protected from an immeadiate attack from the N. Korean army which has 1.2 Million men, thousands of tanks, artillery units, air support, and missile battalions?
And last but not least, is anyone going to mention any of this to the Chinese?
Methinks perhaps this "plan" is a little unplanned.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally wrote: Erm, what good are 160,000 infantry soldiers (snip)
How is the army going to send the "seals" into N. Korea to kill Kim Jung (snip)
How would they presume to stop the N. Koreans from immeaditaly (snip)
How would the U.S. service men and women already in South Korea (snip)
And last but not least, is anyone going to mention any of this to the Chinese?
Methinks perhaps this "plan" is a little unplanned.
Hopefully, there will be a bit of willy-waving, and that will be the end of the
matter. China, whilst it will be embarrassed and worried at developments (or
will say that) won't want any invasion of N. Korea by anyone. Serious effects
will be felt should the willy-wavers be tempted into doing anything else. This,
IMO, is the biggest worry.
How is the army going to send the "seals" into N. Korea to kill Kim Jung (snip)
How would they presume to stop the N. Koreans from immeaditaly (snip)
How would the U.S. service men and women already in South Korea (snip)
And last but not least, is anyone going to mention any of this to the Chinese?
Methinks perhaps this "plan" is a little unplanned.
Hopefully, there will be a bit of willy-waving, and that will be the end of the
matter. China, whilst it will be embarrassed and worried at developments (or
will say that) won't want any invasion of N. Korea by anyone. Serious effects
will be felt should the willy-wavers be tempted into doing anything else. This,
IMO, is the biggest worry.
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Galbally wrote:
Methinks perhaps this "plan" is a little unplanned.
My previous post was suposed to be unplanned as i am not a military analyst i only have my little knowledge of how the military works and what the strenghths of nk are. the "plan" as you call it is not a plan but just a possiability that is cabable.
Methinks perhaps this "plan" is a little unplanned.
My previous post was suposed to be unplanned as i am not a military analyst i only have my little knowledge of how the military works and what the strenghths of nk are. the "plan" as you call it is not a plan but just a possiability that is cabable.
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Scrat wrote: I was expected to say the pledge of allegiance every morning when I was growing up. I was taught that the "godless pinko commies" wanted to nuke America and take all of our refrigerators back to Siberia. :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl
Brianwashing isn't a talent of the commies alone.
Thank god I left the country and learned that there are people different from us here in America and not everyone is out to get us.
Scrat, I know. My Grandfather was a paid up 'commie' and my Dad dabbled with Lenin and Marx and was blacklisted, couldn't get a job for love not money. Please don't assume that just because I read the papers that I don't have a distrust for journalists or that because I believe that there are real issues with NK having nuclear arms that I am ignorant of the misgivings of capitalism or the leaders of the western world. I think there is a half way point, I think being so 'anti' can blind you from the truth as much as being 'pro' IYSWIM?
Brianwashing isn't a talent of the commies alone.
Thank god I left the country and learned that there are people different from us here in America and not everyone is out to get us.Scrat, I know. My Grandfather was a paid up 'commie' and my Dad dabbled with Lenin and Marx and was blacklisted, couldn't get a job for love not money. Please don't assume that just because I read the papers that I don't have a distrust for journalists or that because I believe that there are real issues with NK having nuclear arms that I am ignorant of the misgivings of capitalism or the leaders of the western world. I think there is a half way point, I think being so 'anti' can blind you from the truth as much as being 'pro' IYSWIM?
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MOTime wrote: My previous post was suposed to be unplanned as i am not a military analyst i only have my little knowledge of how the military works and what the strenghths of nk are. the "plan" as you call it is not a plan but just a possiability that is cabable.
Well, it makes sense to admit your not adept at military strategy so fair play to you. I am not a military planner either, but I have a fair grasp of general milirary ideas and military history, though there are actual military and ex-military people who post here and would have a better idea of what could or would be done, if anything. My point was just to elaborate that you ideas are not really feasible in a military sense.
Well, it makes sense to admit your not adept at military strategy so fair play to you. I am not a military planner either, but I have a fair grasp of general milirary ideas and military history, though there are actual military and ex-military people who post here and would have a better idea of what could or would be done, if anything. My point was just to elaborate that you ideas are not really feasible in a military sense.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally wrote: My point was just to elaborate that you ideas are not really feasible in a military sense.
Yes. I admit that my ideas are not feasible but that satement was a 'write before you think' statment. and do you know of any one on FG that could be of military help for example shooting down non feasiable plans like the one mentioned above.
Yes. I admit that my ideas are not feasible but that satement was a 'write before you think' statment. and do you know of any one on FG that could be of military help for example shooting down non feasiable plans like the one mentioned above.
NK Nuke test.
MOTime wrote: Yes. I admit that my ideas are not feasible but that satement was a 'write before you think' statment. and do you know of any one on FG that could be of military help for example shooting down non feasiable plans like the one mentioned above.
Well we used to have a couple of guys, one was from the U.S. miliary "Far Rider" though I can't remember what branch or rank he was. Another fella used to be a member of the British Parachute Regiment, so he would have been pretty much up on his military. I don't think they post much anymore unfortunatly, but I'm sure there must be others.
Well we used to have a couple of guys, one was from the U.S. miliary "Far Rider" though I can't remember what branch or rank he was. Another fella used to be a member of the British Parachute Regiment, so he would have been pretty much up on his military. I don't think they post much anymore unfortunatly, but I'm sure there must be others.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
NK Nuke test.
Thank you and Ill try to think my post through before i write them:D :-5