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Blair’s “blood Price

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This was posted on another site by a friend of mine, I think it deserves a wider audience.

The four teenagers shot to death by other teenagers in Britain in four separate incidents this week were, to my mind, the latest British victims of Bush and Blair’s calamitous war in Iraq.

“But the two are completely unrelated, you will probably say.

I’m not so sure.

Our children learn by the deeds and example of their elders and peers. By their actions in and since the illegal invasion of a sovereign country in 2003, Bush and Blair have sent the message out loud and clear – if somebody pisses you off, well hey, you’ve just got to use force and kick ass to teach them a lesson and if a few people die in the process, well that’s just tough ****.

As Blair himself kept repeating back in the days when people actually believed a word he said, it’s all about “Education, education, education.

Teacher Tony has taught Britain’s next generation well. Violence, apparently, solves everything. Even if the recipient of that lethal violence is entirely innocent of whatever it was that pissed you off in the first place.

Blair glibly condemns those teenagers involved in gun crime as having “complete disregard for the Law whilst conveniently ignoring the contemptuous disregard he himself had for International Law in 2003. The word “hypocritical simply doesn’t do it justice.

If our leaders have no respect for the basic rights of others to live in peace, and can get away with the entirely unjustified attacking of innocent people with apparent impunity, why on earth should we be surprised when our children display the self-same aggressive and anti-social behaviour?

The answer, of course, is that we shouldn’t. The surprise, if there is one, is that it isn’t even more widespread. Give it time, though, give it time. There is so much more to come from Blair’s Britain.

My hatred for Blair and the sordid deceitful depths to which he and his cabal of toadies has sunk this once proud and decent country is well known on this web site. I have never been able to sum it up quite as eloquently, or as passionately, however, as the following excerpt from Neil Mackay’s brilliant “The War on Truth.

Read it and weep.

“The kind of lies this government tells are like a virus – like HIV. They weave themselves into the fabric and DNA of society, corrupting it, distorting it. Black is white, and up is down, and left is right. These lies are an abuse – an abuse of you and me and the society we live in. If you play with someone’s mind enough, eventually they will see the world in a different way – in a back-to-front, crazy way. The lies that our leaders tell us day in and day out have made us see the world the wrong way around.

If we see the world upside down, then our whole lives are lived on a false premise; our very existence becomes a sick joke. Our leaders, by lying to us, are robbing us of the reality of the world around us and stealing the truth from us – the one thing that each person should have an inalienable right to. The thoughts that we think after our minds are poisoned by the nonsense that our leaders spin for us bear no relation to reality. We see the world through a glass darkly – and the glass has been darkened by our Prime Ministers and Presidents lying to us and telling us that 2+2=5.

British soldiers are being drawn ever deeper into this terrible conflict; in Fallujah, a city was emptied by the Americans and Iraqi bodies were left to be eaten by cats and dogs in the streets; the insurgents kill daily; suicide bombers blow up lines of men waiting to join the police; US forces shoot dead injured combatants instead of taking them prisoner; our civil liberties are ripped up at home in the name of security; racism, hatred and fear become the common currency of day-to-day civil discourse.

How can we make any sense of any of these events – and events yet to come – if we have no context in which to understand them? If our framework for interpreting these events is based on lies then we cannot find the right answers to the right questions. To live in a world constructed out of someone else’s lies leaves each one of us unable to even identify what the right questions which we should be asking in the first place are. Our leaders have exploited us ruthlessly, and worse, they have corrupted our minds and our souls, making us culpable in their mass murders. Their ultimate sin is that they twisted our minds, took reality and the truth from us, fed us a diet of lies which infantilised us and made us dependent on them. Their lies were designed to frighten us (remember the one about us being only 45 minutes from destruction – that was a lulu wasn’t it?), stifle us, keep us quiet, meek and bewildered; our fear helped further their ends and keep them in power and us powerless. Trapped inside their lies, we are unable to challenge them. The truth, as the old saying goes, really will set you free.

George W Bush won four more years as the ruler of the United States, and Tony Blair was re-elected as the Prime minister of my country. America and Britain are drugged with lies and fear and confusion. That’s why both countries made such terrible electoral mistakes. It’s time now to wake up and throw the whole lying, filthy crew out. Forget Labour and forget the Tories, and forget the Democrats and the republicans – they all backed this war. Let’s look elsewhere for leadership. Let’s look for vision, independence of thought, humanity, honesty and integrity. If we don’t then we may as well shred the true concept of democracy. Democracies don’t exist through the rule of lies and fear and stagnant party politics.

Democracies thrive and become great through openness and freedom of thought. Our democracies need governments which treat their citizens as equally as those who have been voted into power and given the temporary honour and job of enabling us, the people, to live good and decent lives. They are not meant to be our leaders, they are meant to be our enablers.

Tony Blair has long told us that Britain has a “blood price to pay in this war; that the British people have to bleed collectively for a war he created out of a fog of his own lies. He asked us to send our sons and daughters and mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters to Iraq to kill and be killed for his deception.

Well, there IS a blood price that can be paid for his lies. And here’s how this particular debt can be honoured: if Tony Blair won’t send his own children who have reached military age to kill and die in Iraq, then he should do the decent British thing. He should call into the Ministry of Defence one day soon and ask if he can borrow a revolver from one of his generals. When he gets his hands on it, he should make sure that there is one bullet left in the chamber and then he should go back to Number 10 Downing Street. On his return he should write an apology to the British, American and Iraqi people on his hands and knees, with tears of contrition running down his face. He should then lock the door of his office and, like the good Christian he says he is, send himself to his maker for his final judgement. I sincerely hope his God forgives him. Because I can’t.
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I don't buy it.

That's just another black eye for Bush and Blair to wear. Make no mistake, I don't like Bush and I have no opinion on Blair but these people who whine about war being unfair really get under my skin. So Americans shot people and left them for dead? That's because it's WAR and WAR is neither civil nor nice. That's why it's called war and that's why we try to avoid it.

No, these dumb kids were just that- dumb kids and if we weren't in a war then people would be blaming the dumb kids' dumb parents.
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If Chookies friend wants to see who these kids are emulating, let him/her read Dedos threads about "which rapper killed some other rapper today" I had to stop reading them, I couldn't keep score in the end!....:thinking:




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Chookie;557153 wrote: This was posted on another site by a friend of mine, I think it deserves a wider audience.

The four teenagers shot to death by other teenagers in Britain in four separate incidents this week were, to my mind, the latest British victims of Bush and Blair’s calamitous war in Iraq.

“But the two are completely unrelated, you will probably say.

I’m not so sure.

Our children learn by the deeds and example of their elders and peers. By their actions in and since the illegal invasion of a sovereign country in 2003, Bush and Blair have sent the message out loud and clear – if somebody pisses you off, well hey, you’ve just got to use force and kick ass to teach them a lesson and if a few people die in the process, well that’s just tough ****.

As Blair himself kept repeating back in the days when people actually believed a word he said, it’s all about “Education, education, education.

Teacher Tony has taught Britain’s next generation well. Violence, apparently, solves everything. Even if the recipient of that lethal violence is entirely innocent of whatever it was that pissed you off in the first place.

Blair glibly condemns those teenagers involved in gun crime as having “complete disregard for the Law whilst conveniently ignoring the contemptuous disregard he himself had for International Law in 2003. The word “hypocritical simply doesn’t do it justice.

If our leaders have no respect for the basic rights of others to live in peace, and can get away with the entirely unjustified attacking of innocent people with apparent impunity, why on earth should we be surprised when our children display the self-same aggressive and anti-social behaviour?

The answer, of course, is that we shouldn’t. The surprise, if there is one, is that it isn’t even more widespread. Give it time, though, give it time. There is so much more to come from Blair’s Britain.

My hatred for Blair and the sordid deceitful depths to which he and his cabal of toadies has sunk this once proud and decent country is well known on this web site. I have never been able to sum it up quite as eloquently, or as passionately, however, as the following excerpt from Neil Mackay’s brilliant “The War on Truth.

Read it and weep.

“The kind of lies this government tells are like a virus – like HIV. They weave themselves into the fabric and DNA of society, corrupting it, distorting it. Black is white, and up is down, and left is right. These lies are an abuse – an abuse of you and me and the society we live in. If you play with someone’s mind enough, eventually they will see the world in a different way – in a back-to-front, crazy way. The lies that our leaders tell us day in and day out have made us see the world the wrong way around.

If we see the world upside down, then our whole lives are lived on a false premise; our very existence becomes a sick joke. Our leaders, by lying to us, are robbing us of the reality of the world around us and stealing the truth from us – the one thing that each person should have an inalienable right to. The thoughts that we think after our minds are poisoned by the nonsense that our leaders spin for us bear no relation to reality. We see the world through a glass darkly – and the glass has been darkened by our Prime Ministers and Presidents lying to us and telling us that 2+2=5.

British soldiers are being drawn ever deeper into this terrible conflict; in Fallujah, a city was emptied by the Americans and Iraqi bodies were left to be eaten by cats and dogs in the streets; the insurgents kill daily; suicide bombers blow up lines of men waiting to join the police; US forces shoot dead injured combatants instead of taking them prisoner; our civil liberties are ripped up at home in the name of security; racism, hatred and fear become the common currency of day-to-day civil discourse.

How can we make any sense of any of these events – and events yet to come – if we have no context in which to understand them? If our framework for interpreting these events is based on lies then we cannot find the right answers to the right questions. To live in a world constructed out of someone else’s lies leaves each one of us unable to even identify what the right questions which we should be asking in the first place are. Our leaders have exploited us ruthlessly, and worse, they have corrupted our minds and our souls, making us culpable in their mass murders. Their ultimate sin is that they twisted our minds, took reality and the truth from us, fed us a diet of lies which infantilised us and made us dependent on them. Their lies were designed to frighten us (remember the one about us being only 45 minutes from destruction – that was a lulu wasn’t it?), stifle us, keep us quiet, meek and bewildered; our fear helped further their ends and keep them in power and us powerless. Trapped inside their lies, we are unable to challenge them. The truth, as the old saying goes, really will set you free.

George W Bush won four more years as the ruler of the United States, and Tony Blair was re-elected as the Prime minister of my country. America and Britain are drugged with lies and fear and confusion. That’s why both countries made such terrible electoral mistakes. It’s time now to wake up and throw the whole lying, filthy crew out. Forget Labour and forget the Tories, and forget the Democrats and the republicans – they all backed this war. Let’s look elsewhere for leadership. Let’s look for vision, independence of thought, humanity, honesty and integrity. If we don’t then we may as well shred the true concept of democracy. Democracies don’t exist through the rule of lies and fear and stagnant party politics.

Democracies thrive and become great through openness and freedom of thought. Our democracies need governments which treat their citizens as equally as those who have been voted into power and given the temporary honour and job of enabling us, the people, to live good and decent lives. They are not meant to be our leaders, they are meant to be our enablers.

Tony Blair has long told us that Britain has a “blood price to pay in this war; that the British people have to bleed collectively for a war he created out of a fog of his own lies. He asked us to send our sons and daughters and mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters to Iraq to kill and be killed for his deception.

Well, there IS a blood price that can be paid for his lies. And here’s how this particular debt can be honoured: if Tony Blair won’t send his own children who have reached military age to kill and die in Iraq, then he should do the decent British thing. He should call into the Ministry of Defence one day soon and ask if he can borrow a revolver from one of his generals. When he gets his hands on it, he should make sure that there is one bullet left in the chamber and then he should go back to Number 10 Downing Street. On his return he should write an apology to the British, American and Iraqi people on his hands and knees, with tears of contrition running down his face. He should then lock the door of his office and, like the good Christian he says he is, send himself to his maker for his final judgement. I sincerely hope his God forgives him. Because I can’t.


This thread is quite humorous to say the least. To say the most, it ludicrous. Blaming Bush & Blair because some moronic kids pulled a trigger on another human being? Were these YOUR kids? I only ask because too many parents these days take the "Oh my Johnny would NEVER do something like that" attitude, and it sounds to me like that's where you're coming from.

Our children learn by the deeds and example of their elders and peers.
Yeah? So why didn't the parents of these little maggots teach their kids NOT TO MURDER another human being? Scum is scum, no matter how you dress it up. Blaming Bush & Blair for the aggressions of these 4 imbiciles is like blaming the maker of the 1st Airliner to hit the World Trade Center, for the 9/11 disaster.

It seems like this post was kind of a long way to go, and a far stretch, just to get an Anti-Bush/Blair diatribe on a monitor somewhere, don't you think? :confused:
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Hi Craig James, welcome to FG.

Excuse me if I waffle for a moment and go off-track, but these are just some of the things I've been thinking about lately.

I had a standard letter yesterday from the local council, stating that charges would have to go up but service levels would have to drop, yet they would also improve the services available. How can you create improvement when you have less funding and have to drop service levels??

Prices rise waaaay faster than salaries! Nowadays most mums have to work. Our mums used to be home for us when we were kids. But our kids have to come home to empty houses. Latchkey kids. So they don't bother to come home but hang out with their mates (other latchkey kids) on street corners. They cause mischief because they're bored. Even if they don't, just hanging round in groups is considered mischief-making today.

The TV is full of sex and violence. It's the norm now. Kids programmes are violent. Even cartoons are violent. Most of the computer and console games are violent. I'm not saying that watching these things causes violence, but there's a certain apathy towards violence. It's more acceptable now, it's the norm.

And we get A LOT of programmes from the US, also full of violence. Black kids always seem to murder other black kids on TV, so TV is encouraging this stereotype. They also encourage sex and sexiness and show it whether the storyline needs it or not. Sex and porn is all over the internet too. It's as though all man's most basic instincts are being appealled to constantly.

I don't think you can blame any one thing. Parents are too tired to teach their children; teachers are not allowed to touch kids; kids have no fear and so have no respect; family groups are disappearing, new step-mums and dads appear and people argue over responsibilities but nobody takes responsibility. Kids are bored, they have no money and nothing to do. If you have something nice and they don't then they might smash it up so you don't have it either. And what hope is there for them? Few jobs available with pittance for pay. What is there for them to look forward to? What kind of life are we giving them?

And we're all too tired and apathetic to do anything about it! We don't complain about all our taxes. We don't complain about charges. We don't complain about our schools and the appalling conditions in some of them. We complain to each other and then just carry on. And even if we do complain, our complaint just gets filed away and ignored.

We live in a Big Brother society where we're watched on CCTV, our bank records are known, our interests or preferences are logged by what we spend on our credit cards. We think not having a National Identity card keeps us free, but they know all about us anyway.

Its as though we're being kept poor and down-trodden so we are just puppets on a political string. Too poor and too tired to do anything but be forcefed violent TV so resultant gangwars can decimate our overpopulated country. Then we'll have less dole money to pay out and more houses available.

Sorry, this has become a cynical rant and an anti-government diatribe.

I'll shut up now.
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I agree with Craig. It seems that so many people are looking out their windows - especially thier TV & computer windows to the world - and feel overwhelmed. Then rather than taking care of their little part of the world - being good citizens, neighbors, and parents raising the next generation of good citizens, neighbors, and parents - they abandon their responsibilities and blame the world for it. That's why their kids do what they do. It's not because of the world's leaders, it's because of the leaders of their worlds.





If you suddenly get dropped in the middle of the ocean, you have several options. One is to look toward the horizons and see nothing and despair, think on how impossibly deep the water is and despair, imagine all the creatures that might see you as an afternoon snack and despair, then sink into the cold waters, satisfied that there's nothing you can do anyway.



Another option is to tread water until you figure something out.
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Accountable;557626 wrote: I agree with Craig. It seems that so many people are looking out their windows - especially thier TV & computer windows to the world - and feel overwhelmed. Then rather than taking care of their little part of the world - being good citizens, neighbors, and parents raising the next generation of good citizens, neighbors, and parents - they abandon their responsibilities and blame the world for it. That's why their kids do what they do. It's not because of the world's leaders, it's because of the leaders of their worlds.





If you suddenly get dropped in the middle of the ocean, you have several options. One is to look toward the horizons and see nothing and despair, think on how impossibly deep the water is and despair, imagine all the creatures that might see you as an afternoon snack and despair, then sink into the cold waters, satisfied that there's nothing you can do anyway.



Another option is to tread water until you figure something out.


Thanks for the welcome friends. I'm sorry to go off topic, for just one second, but thanks for the POW/MIA Icon Accountable! We need to remember our brothers & sisters who fought with us over there in the Nam. I'll stop my non-hijack now and go post my intro thread.

Sorry for the interupt.
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