FG Debates

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:49 am

I am getting increasing upset with the way certain debates are being handled lately. It is my understanding that debates are discussions where people can express their understanding, beliefs and feelings regarding a subject. Not an opportunity to belittle and insult each other!

We have a wide range of people here, from all walks of life, with many different experiences, knowledge and beliefs. I love to see a good debate as it allows me to see others points of view and experiences, also to share my own. I have found out a lot from such debates and have had my view changed on more than a few subjects. It helps to broaden our outlook and understanding of life and individuals.

I therefore find it very upsetting when such debates are used to air personal grievances against others. I understand that there are many subjects that people feel very strongly about - but do they have to be so insulting when getting their views across.

Copied from the 'General Site' Rules....

1.1 No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest.

I also have very strong feeling towards people who put others on their 'ignore list' just because that person does not agree with them. It shows a very blinkered and tunneled view of life IMO.

I welcome the thoughts of others on this subject, as thats the kinda person I am - just say it nicely please.

:)

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:58 am

I don't agree with your post................just kiddin'!!:yh_giggle

I just thought I'd post my non-argumentitive comments before mud gets to slingin'....I hope that doesn't happen, but history proves otherwise in these type of well meaning "let's keep the peace" threads.

I look at it this way...there are people that LOVE to debate, and that is fine...and I agree with Pheasy, I've learned ALOT from reading the debate threads. There are also others that will defend their stand on a subject till the very end. Sometimes it gets onto a personal level, because of the passion of the poster. I look at it as being human. I don't think this will ever end tbh...because people are people....we just handle situations differently, I try to stay away from those subjects that will get my blood pressure boiling...thats just me.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:58 am

jimbo;722167 wrote: if every one does it is it a mass debate :wah:

oh its a seriuos thread

:yh_rotfl

Oh I forgot to add ... during my time at FG I have learned that when 'certain' people reply to threads you know (before even reading them) that they will make you laugh.

You are a breath of fresh air, and a good laugh Jimbo :-6

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:02 am

WonderWendy3;722171 wrote: I don't agree with your post................just kiddin'!!:yh_giggle

I just thought I'd post my non-argumentitive comments before mud gets to slingin'....I hope that doesn't happen, but history proves otherwise in these type of well meaning "let's keep the peace" threads.

I look at it this way...there are people that LOVE to debate, and that is fine...and I agree with Pheasy, I've learned ALOT from reading the debate threads. There are also others that will defend their stand on a subject till the very end. Sometimes it gets onto a personal level, because of the passion of the poster. I look at it as being human. I don't think this will ever end tbh...because people are people....we just handle situations differently, I try to stay away from those subjects that will get my blood pressure boiling...thats just me.

I agree Wendy. I just wish people would stop and think about the feelings others when replying - thats not directed at you Wendy - you always have the ability to state your feelings/experiences without insulting people. I admire that :-4

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:09 am

jimbo;722174 wrote: good post ww

i try to stay out of all the conflict posts totally full stop

but sometimes i get dragged in

the worst thing is when two of your buddies are fighting and you feel one of them is totally wrong but you know if you say something they will soon be an ex buddy

why cant everyone be like immy

oh yeah the place would be empty and boring

just kidding immypoo

:wah: I can't wait to see Immy bop you on the head in person!! And I agree Jimbo, I started to post that very fact that it bothers me when my friends are mad at each other. I try to stay very nuetral and not take sides of a situation that I was not involved in to begin with.

ThePheasant;722175 wrote: I agree Wendy. I just wish people would stop and think about the feelings others when replying - thats not directed at you Wendy - you always have the ability to state your feelings/experiences without insulting people. I admire that Thank you Pheasy!:-4 I cherish my friends wayyyy to much here to offend them in any way...:-4

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:59 am

When I see posts getting out of hand and personal, I just can't be bothered reading on. I love a good healthy debate, it shouldn't get personal though.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:32 am

To be honest pheasant, I have been here long enough to see a lot of debates get completely out of control and for people to turn on each other personally. Its not very nice, and I try to stay out of it as much as possible, but its one of the realities of how people intereact on the net. They thing when one gets out of hand is to just not enter into the thread if it upsets you, and if you think something is really out of line then report it, as there are rules here and they are enforced. Thats my tuppence anyways.

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:35 am

I agree with all of you!

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:12 am

I dont get involved with many debates as some of the posts make me feel as if its a bit out of my league. But i would never put someone on ignore cos i am far too nosey for that:D

littlemissgiggle · Post by **littlemissgiggle** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:26 am

Putting someone on ignore is out of order in my view,

why are people that you met over the net on peoples ignore list :-3

I stay put of these so called debates, as Kaz said i feel they are out of my league also.

I just love to get on with everyone, and I have learnt so much from the people here.

Now lets all kiss and make up :-4

who's first for a kiss?

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:10 pm

There are a small number of people here who like to dominate any discussion. It's pretty pointless to try and 'debate' with them, though I guess many of us get drawn in from time to time. Mea culpa! Waste of time, really. I'm a peaceable person and have enough real problems to deal with in daily life not to want unpleasantness in my leisure time.

It's just dawn here, and the magpies are going beserk with happiness. Aussie magpies are heaps uglier than their brothers and sisters in Europe and North America - but their song is spectacular.

My youngest has an important job interview in Paris today. Send support waves, please!!!!!

Hugs to all !!!!

:-6

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:16 pm

AussiePam;722265 wrote: There are a small number of people here who like to dominate any discussion. It's pretty pointless to try and 'debate' with them, though I guess many of us get drawn in from time to time. Mea culpa! Waste of time, really. I'm a peaceable person and have enough real problems to deal with in daily life not to want unpleasantness in my leisure time.

It's just dawn here, and the magpies are going beserk with happiness. Aussie magpies are heaps uglier than their brothers and sisters in Europe and North America - but their song is spectacular.

My youngest has an important job interview in Paris today. Send support waves, please!!!!!

Hugs to all !!!!

:-6

Waves being sent to Paris from Ireland for AP's offspring. :-6

JacksDad · Post by **JacksDad** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:21 pm

AussiePam;722265 wrote: There are a small number of people here who like to dominate any discussion.

And if you feel that has happening all you need to do is tell them they are on your ignore list.

If they were truly arguing simply for the sake of argument they'll leave the thread if they think you aren't listening.

;)

koan · Post by **koan** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:21 pm

The ignore list is actually recommended as a first step to dealing with a problem if you find someone is either annoying you every time you read them or seems to be harassing you.

If you feel baited then telling them they are on your ignore list encourages them to cease addressing you in a thread. I usually ignore people without having to add them to a list and have only used it to prevent PMs from being sent.

As far as personal attacks go, it helps to realise that other people reading lose respect for a member that posts personal attacks so they already look bad even if you don't respond.

Imladris · Post by **Imladris** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:12 pm

jimbo;722174 wrote: good post ww

i try to stay out of all the conflict posts totally full stop

but sometimes i get dragged in

the worst thing is when two of your buddies are fighting and you feel one of them is totally wrong but you know if you say something they will soon be an ex buddy

why cant everyone be like immy :-6

oh yeah the place would be empty and boring :wah:

just kidding immypoo

Because I'm unique and special.

WonderWendy3;722179 wrote: I can't wait to see Immy bop you on the head in person!! And I agree Jimbo, I started to post that very fact that it bothers me when my friends are mad at each other. I try to stay very nuetral and not take sides of a situation that I was not involved in to begin with.

Thank you Pheasy! I cherish my friends wayyyy to much here to offend them in any way...:-4

He's going to get a huge snog - that'll scare him far more than threats of violence ever would.

koan;722274 wrote: The ignore list is actually recommended as a first step to dealing with a problem if you find someone is either annoying you every time you read them or seems to be harassing you.

If you feel baited then telling them they are on your ignore list encourages them to cease addressing you in a thread. I usually ignore people without having to add them to a list and have only used it to prevent PMs from being sent.

As far as personal attacks go, it helps to realise that other people reading lose respect for a member that posts personal attacks so they already look bad even if you don't respond.

I've never put anyone on ignore regardless of how low they sink because I feel that I need to be able to judge the character of those that use personal attacks to get a point over. Koan is absolutely right - make a tit of yourself and everyone notices. (isn't that right Jimbo????:wah:)

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:37 pm

Copied from the 'General Site' Rules....

1.1 No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest.

If thats the case then what am I even doing here ?

If I cant harass the members here then theres no meaning or purpose to my life !

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:48 pm

Nomad;722300 wrote: Copied from the 'General Site' Rules....

1.1 No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest.

If thats the case then what am I even doing here ?

If I cant harass the members here then theres no meaning or purpose to my life !

We were waiting for you to catch on....geesh!:o

:wah:

Just kiddin' Nommie...I think you are great!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:52 pm

Ive actually never read the rules. Ignorance is bliss.

littlemissgiggle · Post by **littlemissgiggle** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:52 pm

Nomad;722300 wrote: Copied from the 'General Site' Rules....

1.1 No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest.

If thats the case then what am I even doing here ?

If I cant harass the members here then theres no meaning or purpose to my life !

:wah: ok whats happend to my kissing frog,

Kiss my frog nomie and that can be your purpose in life :sneaky:

Imladris · Post by **Imladris** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:02 pm

Nomad;722305 wrote: Ive actually never read the rules. Ignorance is bliss.

it's true, I'm blissfully happy............................:-3

littlemissgiggle · Post by **littlemissgiggle** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:09 pm

Imladris;722313 wrote: it's true, I'm blissfully happy............................:-3

:wah: all you need is custard :p

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:30 pm

rhubard rhubard

:D

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:05 am

I have difficulty understanding why some posters take things posted here so personally. At the end of the day if someone posts a hate post against me that I have never met, am not likely to meet- I don't care. Even if I do personally know someone that dislikes me (and there are some) It's up to me to decide how much their opinion matters to me. Total strangers I couldn't care less. People I know why- should I waste energy disliking them? Being civil and nice to them is much more fun and really annoys them.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:31 am

Gee whiz, is this the best we can muster around here?

Where's my flame fan? *starts digging around in the closet *

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:48 am

AussiePam;722265 wrote: There are a small number of people here who like to dominate any discussion. It's pretty pointless to try and 'debate' with them, though I guess many of us get drawn in from time to time. Mea culpa! Waste of time, really. I'm a peaceable person and have enough real problems to deal with in daily life not to want unpleasantness in my leisure time.

It's just dawn here, and the magpies are going beserk with happiness. Aussie magpies are heaps uglier than their brothers and sisters in Europe and North America - but their song is spectacular.

My youngest has an important job interview in Paris today. Send support waves, please!!!!!

Hugs to all !!!!

:-6

Any news?:-2

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:05 pm

I spoke to her last night just before she set off, Kazalala. Nothing yet, but she promised to sms me - aren't cell phones awesome?!!! Thanks, for all the good wishes, Galbers!!! Sweet of you.

littlemissgiggle · Post by **littlemissgiggle** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:17 pm

Aww Pam

best of luck to your daughter :-4

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:10 pm

She's really nervous LMG - but she's used to stage fright. When she was younger she was an elite gymnast - totally awful to be with just before any serious event, but the adrenalin rush was somehow part of her driving force. Her film and television quals are impeccable, but her French is only middling - the outcome will depend on what the employers are most after. I've promised her, for Christmas, a week's French language residential course - total immersion. She's going to do that whatever the result of this particular interview.

littlemissgiggle · Post by **littlemissgiggle** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:43 pm

AussiePam;722775 wrote: She's really nervous LMG - but she's used to stage fright. When she was younger she was an elite gymnast - totally awful to be with just before any serious event, but the adrenalin rush was somehow part of her driving force. Her film and television quals are impeccable, but her French is only middling - the outcome will depend on what the employers are most after. I've promised her, for Christmas, a week's French language residential course - total immersion. She's going to do that whatever the result of this particular interview.

That's the best way to be,

and wow i didn't realise what a job she was going in for

you seem very positive which is lovely for your daughter to have that vibe,

i bet you really wish you could be with her :-4

Fingers X crossed