Who cares what students have to say?
Who cares what students have to say?
Students are just students…aren’t they? Why do students have such a great voice? Why is it that the cameras and reporters run to see what the students think about the environment, the war and the moral issues of the day? Who cares? They are students. They don’t have the answers. They are supposed to be asking questions.
For most of them, their opinions on significant issues will change at least once before their 30th birthday. They are in school preparing to enter the "adult" world where over the next ten years or more they will gain enough experience to form opinions worth listening to.
Their arrogance is only surpassed by the wild eyed greed of the news media. The news media knows they can get the extremes they need to make their stories sell if they go to the campus and listen to kids who think they have learned enough to shape policy on any given issue.
Listening to students has created huge problems in this world. They are manipulated by all sorts of people with agendas. They are manipulated because they don’t have the experience to know they are being manipulated. Once manipulated, any mediocre student leader can get enough other lemming students to make enough noise to draw the morally devoid media, like flies to feces, to air their half baked point of view.
If you want to recruit a student to wage a technical war against the people who paid the bills to get them educated, it is easy…because they are still kids getting their wisdom from other kids.
For most of them, their opinions on significant issues will change at least once before their 30th birthday. They are in school preparing to enter the "adult" world where over the next ten years or more they will gain enough experience to form opinions worth listening to.
Their arrogance is only surpassed by the wild eyed greed of the news media. The news media knows they can get the extremes they need to make their stories sell if they go to the campus and listen to kids who think they have learned enough to shape policy on any given issue.
Listening to students has created huge problems in this world. They are manipulated by all sorts of people with agendas. They are manipulated because they don’t have the experience to know they are being manipulated. Once manipulated, any mediocre student leader can get enough other lemming students to make enough noise to draw the morally devoid media, like flies to feces, to air their half baked point of view.
If you want to recruit a student to wage a technical war against the people who paid the bills to get them educated, it is easy…because they are still kids getting their wisdom from other kids.
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You're overlooking the fact that these days 40 to 60% of the student population are adults.
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A Karenina wrote: You're overlooking the fact that these days 40 to 60% of the student population are adults.
Hello Karenina.
“Adultsâ€Â… Now there’s a word worth discussing.
Are you saying then, that the attention students get is warranted? Should we be looking to college campuses to lead public opinion?
Hello Karenina.
“Adultsâ€Â… Now there’s a word worth discussing.
Are you saying then, that the attention students get is warranted? Should we be looking to college campuses to lead public opinion?
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Clint wrote: Hello Karenina.
“Adultsâ€Â… Now there’s a word worth discussing.
Are you saying then, that the attention students get is warranted? Should we be looking to college campuses to lead public opinion?
I for one want to say I think "students" opinions do matter, it isn't always a matter of peers influencing peers. These are childrenm/young adults/adults who are forming the future of our society and they should be listened too. Life affects them too. Are they swaying public opinion? I dunno have you a topic or incident in mind.
I have experienced a grade nine protest and believe me what those kids were protesting was well worth the attention they got. Many parents supported them. In the end the entire project was dropped due to the attention it was given.
“Adultsâ€Â… Now there’s a word worth discussing.
Are you saying then, that the attention students get is warranted? Should we be looking to college campuses to lead public opinion?
I for one want to say I think "students" opinions do matter, it isn't always a matter of peers influencing peers. These are childrenm/young adults/adults who are forming the future of our society and they should be listened too. Life affects them too. Are they swaying public opinion? I dunno have you a topic or incident in mind.
I have experienced a grade nine protest and believe me what those kids were protesting was well worth the attention they got. Many parents supported them. In the end the entire project was dropped due to the attention it was given.
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minks wrote: I for one want to say I think "students" opinions do matter, it isn't always a matter of peers influencing peers. These are childrenm/young adults/adults who are forming the future of our society and they should be listened too. Life affects them too. Are they swaying public opinion? I dunno have you a topic or incident in mind.
I have experienced a grade nine protest and believe me what those kids were protesting was well worth the attention they got. Many parents supported them. In the end the entire project was dropped due to the attention it was given.
No, I don’t have a specific incident in mind. I’m making a general statement about the weight that is given to the opinion of students. I’m not saying that there is never a student point of view that is valid or worth listening to. I’m saying they are heard way too much as a group who by definition is preparing to be heard at some point in the future.
I have experienced a grade nine protest and believe me what those kids were protesting was well worth the attention they got. Many parents supported them. In the end the entire project was dropped due to the attention it was given.
No, I don’t have a specific incident in mind. I’m making a general statement about the weight that is given to the opinion of students. I’m not saying that there is never a student point of view that is valid or worth listening to. I’m saying they are heard way too much as a group who by definition is preparing to be heard at some point in the future.
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Clint wrote: No, I don’t have a specific incident in mind. I’m making a general statement about the weight that is given to the opinion of students. I’m not saying that there is never a student point of view that is valid or worth listening to. I’m saying they are heard way too much as a group who by definition is preparing to be heard at some point in the future.
Well I am of the opinion that everybodys opinion is worth hearing before we form an opinion hehehehe
Sorry, I had to type that.
Why so? Where is it you think they are heard way too much as a group. I can only recall a few times that really stand out in my mind, Vietman protests, Tianamon square. I think those were both valid (sorry on the spelling)
Well I am of the opinion that everybodys opinion is worth hearing before we form an opinion hehehehe
Sorry, I had to type that.
Why so? Where is it you think they are heard way too much as a group. I can only recall a few times that really stand out in my mind, Vietman protests, Tianamon square. I think those were both valid (sorry on the spelling)
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I don’t disagree with you when you say everyone’s opinion should be heard. My point is that student opinions are weighted to heavily.
Here in the Northwest it is frequent that the news media will give credence to a student protest over a visit by the Vice-President or the placement of a statue or an environmental issue. Is their protest really newsworthy? It can be a mere handful of students and they will get as much attention as the object they are protesting.
The news media shouldn’t give them special billing just because they are students . It should be just the opposite. I think the media should say something like; “….a handful of students searching for answers carried signs and protested the Vice-President’s visit…no working people were represented here today.â€Â
Here in the Northwest it is frequent that the news media will give credence to a student protest over a visit by the Vice-President or the placement of a statue or an environmental issue. Is their protest really newsworthy? It can be a mere handful of students and they will get as much attention as the object they are protesting.
The news media shouldn’t give them special billing just because they are students . It should be just the opposite. I think the media should say something like; “….a handful of students searching for answers carried signs and protested the Vice-President’s visit…no working people were represented here today.â€Â
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Ah..."no working people". So it's just the people who work whose opinions should be heard and counted? People in the "employed" column? What about stay-at-home moms?
I think your reasoning is flawed a bit, Clint. The students of today are the employed of tomorrow, and they are also the leaders of tomorrow. Yes, some of them will change their views in 10 or 15 years, but if we were just to dismiss them and their views, how would they ever learn? Learn that their views are A) correct, or B) flawed and need changing? If a "handful" is not indicative of the actual numbers, why should the media make it out to be so? The media skews enough news stories as it is.
Our "students" are just as much worthy of being heard as any other group. If your main concern is that they don't work, as you said above, then there's a lot more than just students who shouldn't be heard, according to your formula.
I think your reasoning is flawed a bit, Clint. The students of today are the employed of tomorrow, and they are also the leaders of tomorrow. Yes, some of them will change their views in 10 or 15 years, but if we were just to dismiss them and their views, how would they ever learn? Learn that their views are A) correct, or B) flawed and need changing? If a "handful" is not indicative of the actual numbers, why should the media make it out to be so? The media skews enough news stories as it is.
Our "students" are just as much worthy of being heard as any other group. If your main concern is that they don't work, as you said above, then there's a lot more than just students who shouldn't be heard, according to your formula.
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Clint wrote: I don’t disagree with you when you say everyone’s opinion should be heard. My point is that student opinions are weighted to heavily.
Here in the Northwest it is frequent that the news media will give credence to a student protest over a visit by the Vice-President or the placement of a statue or an environmental issue. Is their protest really newsworthy? It can be a mere handful of students and they will get as much attention as the object they are protesting.
The news media shouldn’t give them special billing just because they are students . It should be just the opposite. I think the media should say something like; “….a handful of students searching for answers carried signs and protested the Vice-President’s visit…no working people were represented here today.â€Â
Perhaps it is news worthy because they have the power to take a stand en-mass unlike the majority of us. Heck we all likely knew more people at any given time during school than we do now. So perhaps that is it. I dunno do you think they really sway the public that much?
Here in the Northwest it is frequent that the news media will give credence to a student protest over a visit by the Vice-President or the placement of a statue or an environmental issue. Is their protest really newsworthy? It can be a mere handful of students and they will get as much attention as the object they are protesting.
The news media shouldn’t give them special billing just because they are students . It should be just the opposite. I think the media should say something like; “….a handful of students searching for answers carried signs and protested the Vice-President’s visit…no working people were represented here today.â€Â
Perhaps it is news worthy because they have the power to take a stand en-mass unlike the majority of us. Heck we all likely knew more people at any given time during school than we do now. So perhaps that is it. I dunno do you think they really sway the public that much?
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BabyRider wrote: Ah..."no working people". So it's just the people who work whose opinions should be heard and counted? People in the "employed" column? What about stay-at-home moms?
I think your reasoning is flawed a bit, Clint. The students of today are the employed of tomorrow, and they are also the leaders of tomorrow. Yes, some of them will change their views in 10 or 15 years, but if we were just to dismiss them and their views, how would they ever learn? Learn that their views are A) correct, or B) flawed and need changing? If a "handful" is not indicative of the actual numbers, why should the media make it out to be so? The media skews enough news stories as it is.
Our "students" are just as much worthy of being heard as any other group. If your main concern is that they don't work, as you said above, then there's a lot more than just students who shouldn't be heard, according to your formula.
Taken literally my statement would require me to keep my mouth shut. I’m unemployed even though I received my first paycheck 49 years ago. Who says stay-at-home moms don’t work? I sure didn’t.
I stand by my contention that student opinions are given much more credence than they should. You said it….. they are the leaders of tomorrow and that is when their opinions should get attention. The problem is, as I see it, the students of yesterday aren’t being heard because the news media is focusing too much on the students of today.
I think your reasoning is flawed a bit, Clint. The students of today are the employed of tomorrow, and they are also the leaders of tomorrow. Yes, some of them will change their views in 10 or 15 years, but if we were just to dismiss them and their views, how would they ever learn? Learn that their views are A) correct, or B) flawed and need changing? If a "handful" is not indicative of the actual numbers, why should the media make it out to be so? The media skews enough news stories as it is.
Our "students" are just as much worthy of being heard as any other group. If your main concern is that they don't work, as you said above, then there's a lot more than just students who shouldn't be heard, according to your formula.
Taken literally my statement would require me to keep my mouth shut. I’m unemployed even though I received my first paycheck 49 years ago. Who says stay-at-home moms don’t work? I sure didn’t.
I stand by my contention that student opinions are given much more credence than they should. You said it….. they are the leaders of tomorrow and that is when their opinions should get attention. The problem is, as I see it, the students of yesterday aren’t being heard because the news media is focusing too much on the students of today.
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I care what students have to say. But today it was what 2 of them did not say that got my goat - they are in HS. It was time for the Pledge of Allegience and they sat there and said curse words as it was being said over the loud speaker. I went ballistic - absolutely ballistic. I told both of them that I was the sub-teacher from hell. I would not now or ever tolerate such disrespect for this country again. They had better remember my name and face for future reference since I am one of the very few people that will go to that HS to sub. There was a duet of GYAAA - just cause we didn't stand? I said it was not only because they did not stand - it was because they were injecting curse words into the Pledge. The next time I would call security and have them removed from the classroom and given over to the principal. It was Homeroom so instead of letting them do their homework - I made them have a discussion on patriotism - and yes they could express any viewpoint. I also expressed my viewpoint - my Dad was killed in the service and my SIL is in IRAQ - I have very strong feelings.
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nvalleyvee wrote: I care what students have to say. But today it was what 2 of them did not say that got my goat - they are in HS. It was time for the Pledge of Allegience and they sat there and said curse words as it was being said over the loud speaker. I went ballistic - absolutely ballistic. I told both of them that I was the sub-teacher from hell. I would not now or ever tolerate such disrespect for this country again. They had better remember my name and face for future reference since I am one of the very few people that will go to that HS to sub. There was a duet of GYAAA - just cause we didn't stand? I said it was not only because they did not stand - it was because they were injecting curse words into the Pledge. The next time I would call security and have them removed from the classroom and given over to the principal. It was Homeroom so instead of letting them do their homework - I made them have a discussion on patriotism - and yes they could express any viewpoint. I also expressed my viewpoint - my Dad was killed in the service and my SIL is in IRAQ - I have very strong feelings.
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Thanks Clint - I felt I had gone a little overboard in my reaction.
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nvalleyvee wrote: Thanks Clint - I felt I had gone a little overboard in my reaction.
I have pretty good self control but I don't know if I would have been able to show the control you did.
I have pretty good self control but I don't know if I would have been able to show the control you did.
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Clint wrote: Students are just students…aren’t they? Why do students have such a great voice? Why is it that the cameras and reporters run to see what the students think about the environment, the war and the moral issues of the day? Who cares? They are students. They don’t have the answers. They are supposed to be asking questions.
For most of them, their opinions on significant issues will change at least once before their 30th birthday. They are in school preparing to enter the "adult" world where over the next ten years or more they will gain enough experience to form opinions worth listening to.
Their arrogance is only surpassed by the wild eyed greed of the news media. The news media knows they can get the extremes they need to make their stories sell if they go to the campus and listen to kids who think they have learned enough to shape policy on any given issue.
Listening to students has created huge problems in this world. They are manipulated by all sorts of people with agendas. They are manipulated because they don’t have the experience to know they are being manipulated. Once manipulated, any mediocre student leader can get enough other lemming students to make enough noise to draw the morally devoid media, like flies to feces, to air their half baked point of view.
If you want to recruit a student to wage a technical war against the people who paid the bills to get them educated, it is easy…because they are still kids getting their wisdom from other kids.
Hmm having only just finished being a student, I have to say I'm a little miffed at some of these comments Clint. I can only speak for fellow students in my area, but we would get little or no media coverage to anything that we have to say, regardless of what the points were.
I'll also have u know that some of the students that I've met are a lot more knowledgable on the world's goings-on than adults. I agree that most students are still in going through a learning period from teenagers to adults, but you can't just class all students as not being able to give a valid opinion on todays society. A lot of students where I live aren't as easy to be manipulated as u may think. We aren't all goons who who have a one track mind and only watch tv. We still love to read newspapers, listen to the radio, and absorb other points of view that allow us to give opinions that should be listened to, and not ignored simply because we are supposedly too young and guilable to fully understand the world and today's politics.
For most of them, their opinions on significant issues will change at least once before their 30th birthday. They are in school preparing to enter the "adult" world where over the next ten years or more they will gain enough experience to form opinions worth listening to.
Their arrogance is only surpassed by the wild eyed greed of the news media. The news media knows they can get the extremes they need to make their stories sell if they go to the campus and listen to kids who think they have learned enough to shape policy on any given issue.
Listening to students has created huge problems in this world. They are manipulated by all sorts of people with agendas. They are manipulated because they don’t have the experience to know they are being manipulated. Once manipulated, any mediocre student leader can get enough other lemming students to make enough noise to draw the morally devoid media, like flies to feces, to air their half baked point of view.
If you want to recruit a student to wage a technical war against the people who paid the bills to get them educated, it is easy…because they are still kids getting their wisdom from other kids.
Hmm having only just finished being a student, I have to say I'm a little miffed at some of these comments Clint. I can only speak for fellow students in my area, but we would get little or no media coverage to anything that we have to say, regardless of what the points were.
I'll also have u know that some of the students that I've met are a lot more knowledgable on the world's goings-on than adults. I agree that most students are still in going through a learning period from teenagers to adults, but you can't just class all students as not being able to give a valid opinion on todays society. A lot of students where I live aren't as easy to be manipulated as u may think. We aren't all goons who who have a one track mind and only watch tv. We still love to read newspapers, listen to the radio, and absorb other points of view that allow us to give opinions that should be listened to, and not ignored simply because we are supposedly too young and guilable to fully understand the world and today's politics.
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I can see where clint is coming from and do think some students do see it as their duty to be anti establishment and are on occasions rebels without a clue or cause.
But I do also believe students are key at challenging the status quo and helping all of us question whether the beliefs we have are our own or inherited.:-6
But I do also believe students are key at challenging the status quo and helping all of us question whether the beliefs we have are our own or inherited.:-6
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I'd agree with that Chervil. I'm not disputing that some students are chaos bringers, and don't really have a clue on issues today. So when they start like a mini revolt or something, then that I can't agree with either. My point though is that not all students are like this, and it appeared to me that Clint was classing all students under his definition, when I assure you we all aren't that way!
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I'm sure they aren't all empty vessels making noise and I have been a student, unfortunately the din of the insane few often drowns out the reasoned mumblings of the many. I do not believe wisdom or knowlegde come necessarily with age I know a lot of stupid people who have clocked up a few years and are still making the same mistakes they made at 17.
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Yeah very true, nicely put Chervil.
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nvalleyvee wrote: Thanks Clint - I felt I had gone a little overboard in my reaction.
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I assume Clint you are discussing college student's and their opinions. I think their opinion are as valid as any other adult, but they should not be given extra consideration because their are at an educational institution. They are the same as everyone else, and if the young men are signed up for selective service, in case they are drafted, then I think their opinions should count. But the news media does overdo it with attention on some issues, they should balance it out with other adult age level opinions. I notice the news always lacks in being balanced this way.
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I assume Clint you are discussing college student's and their opinions. I think their opinion are as valid as any other adult, but they should not be given extra consideration because their are at an educational institution. They are the same as everyone else, and if the young men are signed up for selective service, in case they are drafted, then I think their opinions should count. But the news media does overdo it with attention on some issues, they should balance it out with other adult age level opinions. I notice the news always lacks in being balanced this way.
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As the mother of a college student, I certainly hope that her opinion doesn't mean more then mine. She is not interested in politics or making the world a better place - she has spent the last year trying to get a soriority at her college instead of spending her energy on something more worthwhile. It seems her brains fell right out of her head the day her feet hit the campus.
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The more you can get a person to vocalize their views, the more closely you force them to examine them. That can only be good.
I have a game I play with my leadership students. I print 4 large signs: "Agree!" "Disagree! "Agree, except..." Disagree, except ..." and post one on each wall, opposites facing each other, of course. I then announce that it is so important for leaders to stand for what they believe, that we will do that today, literally.
I then write a broadly worded, very controversial statement on the board. My favorite: "Homosexual couples deserve the rights and privileges our society bestows on heterosexual couples" ... though I have used others.
The students then must stand under the sign that best fits their view. I take over as "Donahue" and stir the pot.
I always stress that it is okay to change positions if you discover flaws in your original position. I also attack (maybe too strong a word but not by much) anyone that hides behind the "that's just how I was raised" curtain. How we were raised was fine until we became adults, then we have to examine those views and make our own decisions. We might discover we agree with our parents, but then it will be because it is right, not just because they say so.
It really opens eyes.
I have a game I play with my leadership students. I print 4 large signs: "Agree!" "Disagree! "Agree, except..." Disagree, except ..." and post one on each wall, opposites facing each other, of course. I then announce that it is so important for leaders to stand for what they believe, that we will do that today, literally.
I then write a broadly worded, very controversial statement on the board. My favorite: "Homosexual couples deserve the rights and privileges our society bestows on heterosexual couples" ... though I have used others.
The students then must stand under the sign that best fits their view. I take over as "Donahue" and stir the pot.
I always stress that it is okay to change positions if you discover flaws in your original position. I also attack (maybe too strong a word but not by much) anyone that hides behind the "that's just how I was raised" curtain. How we were raised was fine until we became adults, then we have to examine those views and make our own decisions. We might discover we agree with our parents, but then it will be because it is right, not just because they say so.
It really opens eyes.
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Clint:
AMEN!
I have a daughter who graduated cum laude last December with a major in political science.
She has always marched to her own drummer. AT 5 she refused to eat at Burger King because she said they destroyed to rainforests (this was really fun when we were on a trip). In first grade she went to the Principal to explain to her that the lunch ladies yelled at the kids and they should not be doing this (yes, the Principal did speak to the lunch ladies). My fear was always that she would stand toe to toe with a teacher and tell them they were wrong, esp about creationism. I stressed they were teaching one thought, but that there were other thoughts too, and her grade was based on learning what their 'thought' was...........
She is very intelligent. She is very opiniated. She loves learning. BUT, there is something missing yet from the opinions she shares with us. They are still immature. She lacks experience.
Perhaps the media coverage given to students is just a way of them gaining experience they might not otherwise have until later. Perhaps it is a way of preparing them for the many disappointments and roadblocks they will eventually face with they cross over into the 'real world'. Reality is a harsh teacher. Some people just lose heart when they realize it is not intelligence that rules but the swaying of the people into thinking they are bright enough to decide and the few using them unto their own end.
Ewwwwww. That's another can of worms.
AMEN!
I have a daughter who graduated cum laude last December with a major in political science.
She has always marched to her own drummer. AT 5 she refused to eat at Burger King because she said they destroyed to rainforests (this was really fun when we were on a trip). In first grade she went to the Principal to explain to her that the lunch ladies yelled at the kids and they should not be doing this (yes, the Principal did speak to the lunch ladies). My fear was always that she would stand toe to toe with a teacher and tell them they were wrong, esp about creationism. I stressed they were teaching one thought, but that there were other thoughts too, and her grade was based on learning what their 'thought' was...........
She is very intelligent. She is very opiniated. She loves learning. BUT, there is something missing yet from the opinions she shares with us. They are still immature. She lacks experience.
Perhaps the media coverage given to students is just a way of them gaining experience they might not otherwise have until later. Perhaps it is a way of preparing them for the many disappointments and roadblocks they will eventually face with they cross over into the 'real world'. Reality is a harsh teacher. Some people just lose heart when they realize it is not intelligence that rules but the swaying of the people into thinking they are bright enough to decide and the few using them unto their own end.
Ewwwwww. That's another can of worms.
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Alright… finally… this discussion takes off. I couldn’t understand why it didn’t get somebody like Chris going sooner. Thank you Chris, it wasn’t my intention to label all students the same.
I agree that there are some students who are mature and wise way beyond their years. I have been awed by more than one of them. It’s interesting that they aren’t the ones the news media focuses on. They are the ones who are making a difference rather than making a lot of noise. They are aware of the need to learn some more and get some experience before they express too much and they will tell you that is what they are doing.
I agree that there are some students who are mature and wise way beyond their years. I have been awed by more than one of them. It’s interesting that they aren’t the ones the news media focuses on. They are the ones who are making a difference rather than making a lot of noise. They are aware of the need to learn some more and get some experience before they express too much and they will tell you that is what they are doing.
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The media only pay attention to the whingers. It's always been that way. :-5
- actionfigurestepho
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Who cares what students have to say?
Many of the students in my college are:
1. Around 30
2. Parents and homeowners
3. Have been working since they were old enough
But then, I go to a community college, where common sense is often more prevalent than book smarts. I've been to "real" college and yes, it is a lot different to talk to someone whose mommy and daddy are paying for them to pretty much drink all night, spout controversial sound bites and go along with what's trendy. When I see a student protest being heavily publicized I just roll my eyes and change the channel. I think of where I was at 18, 19, and I thank the Good Lord that no one listened to a word I said. Heck, I think of where I am right now and there are many situations in which I'm GLAD people don't take me too seriously. What do I know about the Middle East, for example? Just what everyone else sees on TV. This is one student who is not going to be arrogant about her opinion.
1. Around 30
2. Parents and homeowners
3. Have been working since they were old enough
But then, I go to a community college, where common sense is often more prevalent than book smarts. I've been to "real" college and yes, it is a lot different to talk to someone whose mommy and daddy are paying for them to pretty much drink all night, spout controversial sound bites and go along with what's trendy. When I see a student protest being heavily publicized I just roll my eyes and change the channel. I think of where I was at 18, 19, and I thank the Good Lord that no one listened to a word I said. Heck, I think of where I am right now and there are many situations in which I'm GLAD people don't take me too seriously. What do I know about the Middle East, for example? Just what everyone else sees on TV. This is one student who is not going to be arrogant about her opinion.
Who cares what students have to say?
actionfigurestepho wrote: Many of the students in my college are:
1. Around 30
2. Parents and homeowners
3. Have been working since they were old enough
But then, I go to a community college, where common sense is often more prevalent than book smarts. I've been to "real" college and yes, it is a lot different to talk to someone whose mommy and daddy are paying for them to pretty much drink all night, spout controversial sound bites and go along with what's trendy. When I see a student protest being heavily publicized I just roll my eyes and change the channel. I think of where I was at 18, 19, and I thank the Good Lord that no one listened to a word I said. Heck, I think of where I am right now and there are many situations in which I'm GLAD people don't take me too seriously. What do I know about the Middle East, for example? Just what everyone else sees on TV. This is one student who is not going to be arrogant about her opinion.
When I say student, I mean the young ones who lack real life experience. Often their ignorance is compounded because those teaching them have never experienced anything outside of the educational system either.
1. Around 30
2. Parents and homeowners
3. Have been working since they were old enough
But then, I go to a community college, where common sense is often more prevalent than book smarts. I've been to "real" college and yes, it is a lot different to talk to someone whose mommy and daddy are paying for them to pretty much drink all night, spout controversial sound bites and go along with what's trendy. When I see a student protest being heavily publicized I just roll my eyes and change the channel. I think of where I was at 18, 19, and I thank the Good Lord that no one listened to a word I said. Heck, I think of where I am right now and there are many situations in which I'm GLAD people don't take me too seriously. What do I know about the Middle East, for example? Just what everyone else sees on TV. This is one student who is not going to be arrogant about her opinion.
When I say student, I mean the young ones who lack real life experience. Often their ignorance is compounded because those teaching them have never experienced anything outside of the educational system either.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
- Accountable
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Who cares what students have to say?
In South Korea, students protest against America almost constantly. I heard one middle-age Korean say that it's part of their youth. Then you get a job, a family, and realize why America is there. That's why it's only students who are protesting.
- chrisb84uk
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Who cares what students have to say?
Clint wrote: Alright… finally… this discussion takes off. I couldn’t understand why it didn’t get somebody like Chris going sooner. Thank you Chris, it wasn’t my intention to label all students the same.
I agree that there are some students who are mature and wise way beyond their years. I have been awed by more than one of them. It’s interesting that they aren’t the ones the news media focuses on. They are the ones who are making a difference rather than making a lot of noise. They are aware of the need to learn some more and get some experience before they express too much and they will tell you that is what they are doing.
Ah my apologies then Clint if I mistook your original post. I agree though with all you have to say. It is a shame that students who make all the noise think that they have a right to be heard, when they quite clearly can't back up their own points with sufficient knowledge. I also agree with AC that the media do focus on the few that make the noise, rather than the others who are actually trying to make a real difference by understanding what's going on in the world.
As I mentioned before, the students whom I have been with for the last 3 or 4 years, are all quite opinionated on various matters, as am I. However we all make an effort to listen and learn to others, and not become absorbed by some of the garbage that gets thrown around, trying to distort our own views. I'm sure that in the future, these wise and mature students will be able to grow in stature, and become outstanding members of our community.
I just hope that the rowdy ones don't go giving adults or the media, the wrong impression of students, and make us all look like a bunch of incompitent morons who would rahter been down the pub getting drunk, than reading a good book.
I agree that there are some students who are mature and wise way beyond their years. I have been awed by more than one of them. It’s interesting that they aren’t the ones the news media focuses on. They are the ones who are making a difference rather than making a lot of noise. They are aware of the need to learn some more and get some experience before they express too much and they will tell you that is what they are doing.
Ah my apologies then Clint if I mistook your original post. I agree though with all you have to say. It is a shame that students who make all the noise think that they have a right to be heard, when they quite clearly can't back up their own points with sufficient knowledge. I also agree with AC that the media do focus on the few that make the noise, rather than the others who are actually trying to make a real difference by understanding what's going on in the world.
As I mentioned before, the students whom I have been with for the last 3 or 4 years, are all quite opinionated on various matters, as am I. However we all make an effort to listen and learn to others, and not become absorbed by some of the garbage that gets thrown around, trying to distort our own views. I'm sure that in the future, these wise and mature students will be able to grow in stature, and become outstanding members of our community.
I just hope that the rowdy ones don't go giving adults or the media, the wrong impression of students, and make us all look like a bunch of incompitent morons who would rahter been down the pub getting drunk, than reading a good book.
Who cares what students have to say?
chrisb84uk wrote: Ah my apologies then Clint if I mistook your original post. I agree though with all you have to say. It is a shame that students who make all the noise think that they have a right to be heard, when they quite clearly can't back up their own points with sufficient knowledge. I also agree with AC that the media do focus on the few that make the noise, rather than the others who are actually trying to make a real difference by understanding what's going on in the world.
As I mentioned before, the students whom I have been with for the last 3 or 4 years, are all quite opinionated on various matters, as am I. However we all make an effort to listen and learn to others, and not become absorbed by some of the garbage that gets thrown around, trying to distort our own views. I'm sure that in the future, these wise and mature students will be able to grow in stature, and become outstanding members of our community.
I just hope that the rowdy ones don't go giving adults or the media, the wrong impression of students, and make us all look like a bunch of incompitent morons who would rahter been down the pub getting drunk, than reading a good book.
No apologies needed but since you apologized, I accept. Students like you are the reason people continue to support higher education.
As I mentioned before, the students whom I have been with for the last 3 or 4 years, are all quite opinionated on various matters, as am I. However we all make an effort to listen and learn to others, and not become absorbed by some of the garbage that gets thrown around, trying to distort our own views. I'm sure that in the future, these wise and mature students will be able to grow in stature, and become outstanding members of our community.
I just hope that the rowdy ones don't go giving adults or the media, the wrong impression of students, and make us all look like a bunch of incompitent morons who would rahter been down the pub getting drunk, than reading a good book.
No apologies needed but since you apologized, I accept. Students like you are the reason people continue to support higher education.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.