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Rapunzel;1294878 wrote: According to the Mirror he's been downloading child porn off the internet! (Whilst being supervised by probation officers)

(Is anyone even surprised???)

Jon Venables sent back to prison over child porn offence - mirror.co.uk


From the same link:

But it was only when he was suspected of child porn offences that the decision was taken to jail him again.

All prisoners on licence can be recalled to prison if suspected of breaching a “good behaviour rule.



The Sunday Mirror knows which prison Venables is being held in but cannot report it.

Mr Straw said yesterday: “I said on Wednesday that I was unable to give further details of the reasons for Jon Venables’ return to custody, because it was not in the public interest to do so.


But it was only when he was suspected of child porn offences that the decision was taken to jail him again.

Of ALL of the things we've been reading about Jon Venables and THIS is what it takes to put him back behind bars?????

I am absolutely gob-smacked!!!!

What about all his other offences?????

HOW can he be allowed to get away with SO MUCH before he is punished?????

UN-FREAKING BELIEVABLE!!!!

No wonder Jack Straw wont give further details of the reasons for Jon Venables’ return to custody. It's not because 'it was not in the public interest to do so', it's because it's not in Jack Straw's and Jon Venables interest to do so!

I SO hope this f***s up their re-election campaign. Jack Straw et al should be strung up for this!!!!! :-5:-5:-5:-5:-5

Rapunzel;1294881 wrote: From the same link:





But it was only when he was suspected of child porn offences that the decision was taken to jail him again.

Of ALL of the things we've been reading about Jon Venables and THIS is what it takes to put him back behind bars?????

I am absolutely gob-smacked!!!!

What about all his other offences?????

HOW can he be allowed to get away with SO MUCH before he is punished?????

UN-FREAKING BELIEVABLE!!!!

No wonder Jack Straw wont give further details of the reasons for Jon Venables’ return to custody. It's not because 'it was not in the public interest to do so', it's because it's not in Jack Straw's and Jon Venables interest to do so!

I SO hope this f***s up their re-election campaign. Jack Straw et al should be strung up for this!!!!! :-5:-5:-5:-5:-5


On the Stormfront forum there are some posts that apparently Venebles had already served six months In a maximum security prison before this happened. Mr O said the same was said on TV this morning but I will try to find a link to substantiate the rumour.

Jack Straw needs to resign.

This Is the man who Initially would not allow the release of Biggs In failing health and no threat to the public, revoked curfew restrictions to allow thug Jack Tweed to get married and now Is trying to get his lawyers to gag newspapers over Venebles.

You know, absolutely all of this fits perfectly well with "if it involves a honeytrap set up by news reporters I'd not be the least bit surprised". Waiting for the result of a trial is the only way we're going to find out.

oscar;1294884 wrote:

Jack Straw needs to resign.

This Is the man who Initially would not allow the release of Biggs In failing health and no threat to the public, revoked curfew restrictions to allow thug Jack Tweed to get married and now Is trying to get his lawyers to gag newspapers over Venebles.


It's funny, I always thought well of Jack Straw. Maybe, in part, because Mr Rap and I had our very first date at Jack Straws Castle, a well-known pub situated in the north western corner of Hampstead Heath in North London. It was a wonderful evening and I realised I had met "the one"! :-4 Maybe that has coloured my view of Jack Straw. It just goes to show! Luckily "the one" is still a good guy - even 20 years down the line. :-4

(Sorry to digress).

spot;1294887 wrote: You know, absolutely all of this fits perfectly well with "if it involves a honeytrap set up by news reporters I'd not be the least bit surprised". Waiting for the result of a trial is the only way we're going to find out.


Do you think we'll hear any details of the trial?

Do you think we'll hear the outcome of the trial? (Beyond the fact that Venables is set free or sent down?)

Wouldn't Jack Straw consider that info to be 'not in the public interest'??? :sneaky:

spot;1294887 wrote: You know, absolutely all of this fits perfectly well with "if it involves a honeytrap set up by news reporters I'd not be the least bit surprised". Waiting for the result of a trial is the only way we're going to find out.
Honey Trap???????? My God, you really are clutching at Straws arn't you?

You sound more and more ridiculous. Go on then... I'll Indulge you. How on earth can an arrest and Imprisonment be a Honey Trap? So according to you, we will see every National Tabloid Sued within the next few months shall we? Along with the TV stations that are broadcasting that he has already served 6 months long before this.

Rapunzel;1294890 wrote: It's funny, I always thought well of Jack Straw. Maybe, in part, because Mr Rap and I had our very first date at Jack Straws Castle, a well-known pub situated in the north western corner of Hampstead Heath in North London.

(Sorry to digress).
I've never been In Jack Straws Castle but I have been up The Gordon Brown Arms a few times as well as The Blunkett Inn and The Ed Balls Brazzerie.

oscar;1294911 wrote: I've never been In Jack Straws Castle but I have been up The Gordon Brown Arms a few times as well as The Blunkett Inn and The Ed Balls Brazzerie.


In that case I'll meet you in Alastair Darling's Arms for a quick half!

Rapunzel;1294913 wrote: In that case I'll meet you in Alastair Darling's Arms for a quick half!


:yh_rotfl Then another half In The Fox and Cameron.

oscar;1294916 wrote: :yh_rotfl Then another half In The Fox and Cameron.


Ooh...I dunno...I might stay in Alastair Darlings Arms for another quickie..............

The gov would have absolutely no reason to give even the slightest details of the parolees offense because of the nature of it's initial crime. No one outside of the belief it's possible to rehabilitate murderers will ever feel comfortable with the same offense they could care less about their next door neighbor committing let alone having committed.

As a result I myself, whom would never let any murderer free ever, am forced to suggest it's only worth anyone's time after the details have been proven. Anything else is just an utter waste of time given the circumstances.

Robots being programmed by their masters must be less guilty than those truly responsible for the crimes having been created in my mind. Doesn't change the fact that the rest of society need be protected regardless of the chances those same instances might provoke another offense because there will always be the exact number of chances having been shown. Otherwise they'd be in a mental institution and we wouldn't even be disgusing any of it let alone jon venables

oscar;1294541 wrote: Funny.

No posts from those who were quick to slam me for making 'assumptions'.

Perhaps the Newbie who claimed to be In the Probation Servive would like to return and explain the Daily Mail's findings?

It's gone very quiet around here.


In my case, not funny at all - I've been on the boat all weekend and without internet connection.

What is funny is that, at the same time as the Mail was authoritatively reporting that he'd been returned to jail for drugs offenses and for attacking a workmate the Sun was authoritatively reporting that it was because he's been downloaded child porn.

The problem was never a disagreement over how serious the offenses were, a fact we still do not know by the way, it was and is a disagreement about the way you made assumptions with no possible facts to back them up and then insulted anyone who dared suggest that it might not be so.

Bryn Mawr;1295072 wrote: In my case, not funny at all - I've been on the boat all weekend and without internet connection.

What is funny is that, at the same time as the Mail was authoritatively reporting that he'd been returned to jail for drugs offenses and for attacking a workmate the Sun was authoritatively reporting that it was because he's been downloaded child porn.

The problem was never a disagreement over how serious the offenses were, a fact we still do not know by the way, it was and is a disagreement about the way you made assumptions with no possible facts to back them up and then insulted anyone who dared suggest that it might not be so.
Firstly, I Insulted, as you put It, some-one who Insulted me.

Secondly, you may call It 'assumption', most who have had some dealings with the police and penal system, call It common sense.

From everything I have read, It appears that venables may have attacked a work colleague and upon Police Investigations, was found to be In Possession of child porn that he had Downloaded.

I would have thought that Jack Straw officially announcing that Venebles Is looking at 'Very serious Charges', that there has to be an element of truth In which the papers are reporting.

We will never know however, because no doubt the charges will all be heard behind closed doors so the public never know that our Government put a 'Possible' child peadophile back on the streets and the public's children at risk. Far to risky to let that be made public such a short time away from an Election!!

oscar;1295088 wrote: Firstly, I Insulted, as you put It, some-one who Insulted me.

Secondly, you may call It 'assumption', most who have had some dealings with the police and penal system, call It common sense.

From everything I have read, It appears that venables may have attacked a work colleague and upon Police Investigations, was found to be In Possession of child porn that he had Downloaded.

I would have thought that Jack Straw officially announcing that Venebles Is looking at 'Very serious Charges', that there has to be an element of truth In which the papers are reporting.

We will never know however, because no doubt the charges will all be heard behind closed doors so the public never know that our Government put a 'Possible' child peadophile back on the streets and the public's children at risk. Far to risky to let that be made public such a short time away from an Election!!


Why on Earth should it be heard behind closed doors? Especially when the normal reason for refusing to comment about a case is so as not to prejudice a trial.

Bryn Mawr;1295089 wrote: Why on Earth should it be heard behind closed doors? Especially when the normal reason for refusing to comment about a case is so as not to prejudice a trial. So you think he will appear before a normal court In the name he goes by now? The security would be a nightmare.

I can understand the Governments Lawyers wishing to gag the tabloids. I would hate to see him evade trial due to It being deemed the press made a fair trial Impossible for him. He should have a fair trial however, I still believe the public will never know the truth of his charges.

The reality hitting the public that the Government put a 'Possible' Child Peadophile back on the Streets to attack again, Is just astounding and damaging to Pre-Election Campaigning.

oscar;1295098 wrote: So you think he will appear before a normal court In the name he goes by now? The security would be a nightmare.

I can understand the Governments Lawyers wishing to gag the tabloids. I would hate to see him evade trial due to It being deemed the press made a fair trial Impossible for him. He should have a fair trial however, I still believe the public will never know the truth of his charges.

The reality hitting the public that the Government put a 'Possible' Child Peadophile back on the Streets to attack again, Is just astounding and damaging to Pre-Election Campaigning.


If the CPS think there's a conviction in it then yes, open court and too long a sentence for it to make much difference - that is assuming that the tabloids don't stir that much sh!t that it's likely to get thrown out.

Where do they get a Jury from ?

Is it not to be handled 'Behind closed doors' as a breach of his conditions anyway ?

It was a life sentence he got originally.

Bruv;1295108 wrote: Where do they get a Jury from ?

Is it not to be handled 'Behind closed doors' as a breach of his conditions anyway ?

It was a life sentence he got originally. I will try to get some clarification on this but I tend to be of the same understanding as you In that It will be behind closed doors as a breach of his licence. That's what the Mail was saying today also.

Doesn't make sense for the court to need a jury over a breach of a life license. There were consequences that must have been set in writing in response to any breach what-so-ever and it doesn't make sense that anyone within a continuance of "rehabilitation" be tried like a first time offender. Perhaps part of the "rehabilitation" process is for the parolees to be instantly "rehabilitated" from any time after a crime has been committed so long as they'd gotten it off their chest.

K.Snyder;1295129 wrote: Doesn't make sense for the court to need a jury over a breach of a life license. There were consequences that must have been set in writing in response to any breach what-so-ever and it doesn't make sense that anyone within a continuance of "rehabilitation" be tried like a first time offender. Perhaps part of the "rehabilitation" process is for the parolees to be instantly "rehabilitated" from any time after a crime has been committed so long as they'd gotten it off their chest.
It's certainly complicated.

If he has attacked a workmate then that Is a breach of his licence.. to be Involved In violence. However, If Newspaper reports are correct that he has been found down-loading child porn, that Is a whole new crime.

Jack STraw Is to make an announcement at 3.30 this afternoon.

oscar;1295098 wrote: So you think he will appear before a normal court In the name he goes by now? The security would be a nightmare.Only as a result of the mob frenzy you're participating in, oscar.

He's had his parole licence revoked for an undisclosed serious breach of the conditions. We've discussed the conditions earlier. He's not been charged with any further crime. Meanwhile, the thread's building with all the media hype and invention of the last week. That's fine, we can go back and analyse it when genuine information turns up. For the time being the bloodfest is just street theatre.

spot;1295241 wrote: Only as a result of the mob frenzy you're participating in, oscar.

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Mob Frenzy ???????????

Have a word with yourself will you?

The public are perfectly entitled to know If the Government released a threat to Innocent people. If It turns out they did, then the public have every right to question the whole re-hab Issue.

I don't know If you have forgotton but we are suppossed to be a Democratic Society and our Government Is here to serve the People who elected them. When the day comes that the General Public have no say, then Fascism will have returned If not already.

The initial error was subjecting the two of them to a trial in the first place, they should have gone straight into care. It was well within UK law to have handled it that way instead of this sixteen years of media frenzy. It has, admittedly, sold a lot of papers but that's a lousy reason to screw up two more lives.

Anyway, keep going, the thread will be grist to someone's mill in due course, either yours or mine.

spot;1295249 wrote: The initial error was subjecting the two of them to a trial in the first place, they should have gone straight into care. It was well within UK law to have handled it that way instead of this sixteen years of media frenzy. It has, admittedly, sold a lot of papers but that's a lousy reason to screw up two more lives.

Anyway, keep going, the thread will be grist to someone's mill in due course, either yours or mine.
Your really floundering now.

What possible difference would them going Into care when they murdered James Bulger have made?

They could not have stayed In care beyond 17 years old, there-fore they would have been back on the streets regardless, but In care, they would have recieved no re-hab at all. Re-hab that seems to have benifited Thompson.

To suggest that they should not have had a trial Is farcical. They were of the age to be prosecuted so what do you suggest now? That we change the law to make child murderers exempt?

If and I stress IF, Venebles Is guilty of child porn, then there are victems out there. Don't you ever stop and think of them.?

How could the two boys take on any of the enormity of their actions without a trial? Your being ridiculous. Going straight Into care would have been a bonus for them given their alleged toxic home-life.

Are you not being some-what hypocritical here? You believe what Is written In the Tabloids when It suits you for this forum yet the moment It doesn't go your way, you are blaming them.

oscar;1295251 wrote: Are you not being some-what hypocritical here? You believe what Is written In the Tabloids when It suits you for this forum yet the moment It doesn't go your way, you are blaming them.
No, that's something you keep throwing at me and it's not true. There's a world of difference between the Bristol Evening Post and the Bloody Sun. You've already blamed rogue elements of the police for the inaccurate reporting of your trial, you can't have it both ways.

spot;1295252 wrote: No, that's something you keep throwing at me and it's not true. There's a world of difference between the Bristol Evening Post and the Bloody Sun. You've already blamed rogue elements of the police for the inaccurate reporting of your trial, you can't have it both ways.
Rogue Element of the Police Force yes and an Inept Rookie Reporter Yes.

Is the Bloody Sun, a sister paper of The Sun?

It's not just the Sun though Is It? A paper that by the way, I do not partake of. I rarely google It either.

You will find that all National Newspapers have carried the Venebles Story. You really must broaden your horizens.

It Is the Sun that Is claiming they know of Venebles Charges and have been gagged by Government Lawyers.

As for claiming that the boys went to trial to sell newspapers, that is ridiculous. Of course It sold newspapers but do you suggest that In a so called Democratic society, we should keep such cases from the public?

JAMES Bulger's killer Jon Venables was locked back up amid allegations that he was hoarding child pornography rated only one category below Britain's most serious.

Officers who examined the computer allegedly discovered sickening images rated at Category Four on an official legal scale of one to five.

The involvement of police who conducted the search triggered an alert which notified one of the ten officials aware who he really was.

Experts say Venables may now face the rest of his life behind bars.

Mike Hames, former head of Scotland Yard's paedophile unit, said last night: "All child pornography is serious, but Category Four images are particularly vile.

CATEGORY 4 images show serious or violent sexual acts between children, or adults and children

"They are among the most serious and depraved images of child pornography it is possible to possess and involve an element of sexual violence against children.

"Given this individual's background, that must clearly be a huge concern to the authorities."

Some experts questioned how a freed child killer supposedly being monitored by officials could collect violent child porn undetected.

One source said: "One of the questions being asked is how someone like Venables could have a laptop and internet access without having it regularly checked.

"It's incredible that someone could accumulate such images and evidently felt free to do so in the belief they were unlikely to get caught.

"It's chilling that they evidently felt the monitoring was lax enough that they could collect such images with impunity."



But even before the child porn allegations, Venables is believed to have repeatedly dodged being recalled after a string of suspected violations.

He was embroiled in two brawls, being stabbed in one.

Venables is now being held on an isolation wing in a jail in the south of England and must appear before a parole board within 28 days.

He has already been moved once over fears for his safety and his cover has been blown by lags who worked out his true identity.

Prosecutors are preparing to haul him back to court for the first time since he was jailed for murder.

That opens up a legal minefield with authorities keen to protect his new identity, but campaigners insisting he must be tried in open court.

He could even be tried under a SECOND false name to avoid blowing his cover.



Jon Venables locked back up amid allegations he was hoarding child porn | The Sun |News

oscar;1295228 wrote: Jack STraw Is to make an announcement at 3.30 this afternoon.


Straw will not reveal Venables data

4:12pm Monday 8th March 2010

Justice Secretary Jack Straw has refused to reveal further details of Jon Venables' recall to prison as he updated MPs on the case.

Mr Straw indicated earlier that he might break his silence on the reason for the recall but told the Commons "this would not presently be in the interests of justice".



Straw will not reveal Venables data (From Wirral Globe)



So that announcement was really worth waiting for, wasn't it Jack?

Rapunzel;1295266 wrote: Straw will not reveal Venables data

4:12pm Monday 8th March 2010

Justice Secretary Jack Straw has refused to reveal further details of Jon Venables' recall to prison as he updated MPs on the case.

Mr Straw indicated earlier that he might break his silence on the reason for the recall but told the Commons "this would not presently be in the interests of justice".



Straw will not reveal Venables data (From Wirral Globe)



So that announcement was really worth waiting for, wasn't it Jack?
Then he should resign.

I remember reading a long time ago that the details of James Bulgers torture was so revolting that only the bare essentials were released to the press. IF, the article from the Sun Is correct, then you have to wonder If part Of James Bulgers torture was of a sexual nature. If It was, then It makes his release even more sickening.

oscar;1295272 wrote: Then he should resign.

I remember reading a long time ago that the details of James Bulgers torture was so revolting that only the bare essentials were released to the press. IF, the article from the Sun Is correct, then you have to wonder If part Of James Bulgers torture was of a sexual nature. If It was, then It makes his release even more sickening.


I would have thought it unlikely that Venables was a sexual sadist at the age of ten. Definitely a sadist though and probably a sexual sadist now, according to The Sun's account.

Which makes me think . . .

Although the Titanic (this is an analogy) was a terrible tragedy, it is because of that tragedy that they set up boats to warn ships of drifting icebergs and by so-doing have saved thousands of lives.

What if Venables IS a sexual sadist and IS a psychopath and would relish becoming a mass murderer who tortures his victims?

Maybe...just maybe...his one act of torture and murder has perhaps saved countless lives as he has been prevented from embarking on a murderous, torturous rampage of young innocent children. How much harder would he be to catch if he started murdering now, as an adult?

Okay, it's not a great thought or a good analogy but.....WHAT IF?????

Rapunzel;1295278 wrote: I would have thought it unlikely that Venables was a sexual sadist at the age of ten. Definitely a sadist though and probably a sexual sadist now, according to The Sun's account.

Which makes me think . . .

Although the Titanic (this is an analogy) was a terrible tragedy, it is because of that tragedy that they set up boats to warn ships of drifting icebergs and by so-doing have saved thousands of lives.

What if Venables IS a sexual sadist and IS a psychopath and would relish becoming a mass murderer who tortures his victims?

Maybe...just maybe...his one act of torture and murder has perhaps saved countless lives as he has been prevented from embarking on a murderous, torturous rampage of young innocent children. How much harder would he be to catch if he started murdering now, as an adult?

Okay, it's not a great thought or a good analogy but.....WHAT IF????? The part I have the problem with Is that so called experts put him back on the Streets at the age of a hormonal teen. IF the Sun's account Is correct, then there are new victems out there.

Another part that makes me ask questions Is that he allegedly has regually told people of his true Identity and frequented the clubs and Bars of Merseyside. If true, that makes me think he almost does not want a new Identity and relishes In his noteriety.

I suppose if anything new had surfaced someone would have posted it but I would think as good as the press usually are something with solution should have surfaced by now

K.Snyder;1298035 wrote: I suppose if anything new had surfaced someone would have posted it but I would think as good as the press usually are something with solution should have surfaced by now


Apparently, the other day, an armed group of police officers removed Venables from his present prison, and moved him elsewhere in an unmarked car. The report did say that Venables was, at the moment, one of the most dangerous men, and also the most 'at risk' hence the armed police. It amazes me how the media get hold of such information, unless it was leaked by a member of the prison staff. I expect Venables will be constantly moved from prison to prison till the court case (if there is to be one), in order to 'protect' him from attack. I'm sure inmates soon find out who the new inmate is. Hence the constant 'change of address' - must create severe logistics problems.

G#Gill;1298061 wrote: Apparently, the other day, an armed group of police officers removed Venables from his present prison, and moved him elsewhere in an unmarked car. The report did say that Venables was, at the moment, one of the most dangerous men, and also the most 'at risk' hence the armed police. It amazes me how the media get hold of such information, unless it was leaked by a member of the prison staff. I expect Venables will be constantly moved from prison to prison till the court case (if there is to be one), in order to 'protect' him from attack. I'm sure inmates soon find out who the new inmate is. Hence the constant 'change of address' - must create severe logistics problems. I have an old school friend that I jaw with weekly on the phone. He's been a maximum security warden In one of our Infamous Prisons for over 25 years now and the things he tells me first hand !!!!!!!!!

He claims they all talk to each other and certainly there will be officers that will leak to the press... It's normal apparently but maybe not ethical.

He claims the secrecy of Venebles site Is due to the severity of his recent crimes. As we all know... Inmates do not take kindly to Peado's. Also, apparently, In the prison world It is spreading like wildfire as to what he Is to be charged with but If the press did print It, It could see a mis-trial and they want him tried and found guilty.

Wonder If the new poster who told me I was talking rubbish two weeks ago would like to come back?

oscar;1298106 wrote: I have an old school friend that I jaw with weekly on the phone. He's been a maximum security warden In one of our Infamous Prisons for over 25 years now and the things he tells me first hand !!!!!!!!!

He claims they all talk to each other and certainly there will be officers that will leak to the press... It's normal apparently but maybe not ethical.

He claims the secrecy of Venebles site Is due to the severity of his recent crimes. As we all know... Inmates do not take kindly to Peado's. Also, apparently, In the prison world It is spreading like wildfire as to what he Is to be charged with but If the press did print It, It could see a mis-trial and they want him tried and found guilty.

Wonder If the new poster who told me I was talking rubbish two weeks ago would like to come back?


Do your prisons in the U.K. have gang/ethnic group affiliations that alienate themselves from each other? I would have to imagine this is the case with any given defined community but I suppose I'm asking as to the sty/severity of said groups. I know in the U.S. if for instance I myself were to go to prison I would be forced to join with the Caucasian gangs even though I've not a shred of racism in my body. If I weren't to join this group I would forever be alienated and then become everyone's "bit*h" and that's just not my style! :yh_sungla :yh_rotfl :yh_wink :yh_kiss

PS: That would be because I would never be able to join another race's group simply due to the color of my skin.

K.Snyder;1298108 wrote: Do your prisons in the U.K. have gang/ethnic group affiliations that alienate themselves from each other? I would have to imagine this is the case with any given defined community but I suppose I'm asking as to the sty/severity of said groups. I know in the U.S. if for instance I myself were to go to prison I would be forced to join with the Caucasian gangs even though I've not a shred of racism in my body. If I weren't to join this group I would forever be alienated and then become everyone's "bit*h" and that's just not my style! :yh_sungla :yh_rotfl :yh_wink :yh_kiss

PS: That would be because I would never be able to join another race's group simply due to the color of my skin.


As far as I am aware... No.

I watch a programme on Sky late at night and I think It's called 'America's Hardest' and It goes Inside some of your toughest prisons. I have seen many of your Prisons where Blacks, Cubans, Hispanics etc are segregated. Why do they do this Kev? Does this not It'self lead to the gang culture?

Here, the only one's who are segregated are child killers and Peadophiles, also possibly rapists and other sex offenders. The British Inmates are know for dishing out their own justice in these cases and why Venebles no doubt, needs the security. Frankly, I wouldn't segregate them. Much more fun to stick them In with the old lags and then run a book on how long they will last.

oscar;1298111 wrote: As far as I am aware... No.

I watch a programme on Sky late at night and I think It's called 'America's Hardest' and It goes Inside some of your toughest prisons. I have seen many of your Prisons where Blacks, Cubans, Hispanics etc are segregated. Why do they do this Kev? Does this not It'self lead to the gang culture?

Here, the only one's who are segregated are child killers and Peadophiles, also possibly rapists and other sex offenders. The British Inmates are know for dishing out their own justice in these cases and why Venebles no doubt, needs the security. Frankly, I wouldn't segregate them. Much more fun to stick them In with the old lags and then run a book on how long they will last.


Most of it has to do with racial tension stemming from slavery no doubt but as you'll know anywhere in the World there is racism so it's not entirely unavoidable. Relative to the U.S. I'd summarize by saying quite simply the growth of people having to deal with a lack of civil rights that has left a sour taste in the mouths of all minorities in this country.

As for pedophiles, they are treated with extreme hostility in American prisons as well. so much so, I'd have to assume as similar elsewhere, that I myself would rather see their heads chopped off than to have to live their lives tortured on a daily bases and I'm one of the most unforgiving peoples you'll ever meet in relation to what I deem to be "crossing the line" so that must say alot oscy woscy!!!! :yh_giggles! :yh_kisses!

Anyway,..yes the gang mentality stems a great deal from American prisons and quite frankly our prisons truly serve as a "learning" experience in how to commit the same crime or more heinous crimes "better" without getting caught.

Many people don't know that when they sag their "pants on the ground" this was initiated in prisons as a means to induce sodomy. :yh_sick!

There are many other "cultural" habit's that have been adopted from prison life and not a one of it I can see is beneficial to anyone with an ounce of moral integrity.

Hi everyone,

Knowing our poor British justice system if we found out who he was now and what he had done the jury would be compromised so he would probably get away with his latest crimes as they would say it hadn't been a fair trial.

I would rather let him have a trial and have a chance of going back to prison rather then the trial being compromised and him just getting a new identity and walking free.

sassy999;1298861 wrote: Hi everyone,

Knowing our poor British justice system if we found out who he was now and what he had done the jury would be compromised so he would probably get away with his latest crimes as they would say it hadn't been a fair trial.

I would rather let him have a trial and have a chance of going back to prison rather then the trial being compromised and him just getting a new identity and walking free.


Hi Sassy, Welcome to Forum Garden !

I agree with you about protecting Venables from being 'exposed', but can't see how the authorities can keep his identity secret when (if) he goes to court, even with a further false identity. Therefore his defence can plead unfair hearing because of who he actually is and therefore all the adverse publicity during the court case. Seems to be a no-win situation at the moment. I agree that he should attend court to answer these latest allegations, so that he can be found guilty in the court and jailed properly. Gawd, that's another huge headache for the authorities, to keep him 'safe' when he is incarcerated.

I just don't want him to get away with another offence. I don't think the court case would be a huge one as nobody knows who he is, so it would be fair. The justice system in this country is so poor that if people knew who he was they would probably let him off because the whole judge and jury would be prejudiced.

I think after the trial is finished people should know what he has done. I heard and this might be false that he was married.

In prison he would probably have to be isolated or with people who had committed similar crimes.

sassy999;1298870 wrote: I just don't want him to get away with another offence. I don't think the court case would be a huge one as nobody knows who he is, so it would be fair. The justice system in this country is so poor that if people knew who he was they would probably let him off because the whole judge and jury would be prejudiced.

I think after the trial is finished people should know what he has done. I heard and this might be false that he was married.

In prison he would probably have to be isolated or with people who had committed similar crimes.
Glad to see you have returned to the Forum

If the allegations are true and he was In possession of Catagory 4 child Pornography, I am quite sure, he will not be able to get off. It Is an extremely serious charge as Catagory 4 Includes sexual violence to children.

I agree the Justice system here Is a farce.

It Is quite believable that he would be married as he Is now 27 years old. Let's just pray he has not spawned any offspring.

sassy999;1298861 wrote: Hi everyone,

Knowing our poor British justice system if we found out who he was now and what he had done the jury would be compromised so he would probably get away with his latest crimes as they would say it hadn't been a fair trial.

I would rather let him have a trial and have a chance of going back to prison rather then the trial being compromised and him just getting a new identity and walking free.


So you all really think knowing the nature of the crime he's been charged with will effect the trial considering his initial crime was murdering a two year old boy by brutally torturing him over the course of hours leaving him at the mercy of 100's of tons of metal?

Everyone acts like if he'd stolen a lolly pop he wouldn't be shouted to hell...

People will know who is on trial unless they were plucked from Loch Ness.

K.Snyder;1298898 wrote: So you all really think knowing the nature of the crime he's been charged with will effect the trial considering his initial crime was murdering a two year old boy by brutally torturing him over the course of hours leaving him at the mercy of 100's of tons of metal?

Everyone acts like if he'd stolen a lolly pop he wouldn't be shouted to hell...
The Issue In this Country Kev goes far deeper than how he Is treated at any future trial.

For years we have had It rammed down our throats by the Bleeding Liberal heart lefties that re-habilitation Is the answer. I myself do not believe any child Is born evil and I do believe that their Up-Bringing Is also a factor. If the reports are to believed, then Venebles at a very young age was exposed regually to domestic violence, Pornography and violent video's.

I remember one report from his Initial trial where the boys were questioned and there was no doubt In some experts eyes that they knew right from wrong and knew the evil of leading that baby away from his mother.

The reason I believe there will be a hush hush trial for his latest offences Is that this has happened at a sensitive time. We are a few months away from an election and quite rightly, the public are asking questions as to why he was released as a hormonal teen after just 8 years re-hab. The fact that he has allegedly been found with catagory 4 child porn goes against all those so called experts and the Home Secretary of the time who deemed him safe to live back In society when he was clearly not.

This could turn the whole thinking of re-hab on It's head. People stand to lose jobs and the Government Is being questioned. There may have to be a whole re-thinking of the re-hab theory.

Another aspect, Is that as the election looms, folk may be looking to a Far Right Party who would have gassed him In an Instance. That Is the Governments worry here... That folk will see how pathetic they are at dealing with crime and vote for the BNP.

If his latest crimes are truely horrific and are made public... there will be a public out-cry at a very crucial time for the Government.

oscar;1298900 wrote: The Issue In this Country Kev goes far deeper than how he Is treated at any future trial.

For years we have had It rammed down our throats by the Bleeding Liberal heart lefties that re-habilitation Is the answer. I myself do not believe any child Is born evil and I do believe that their Up-Bringing Is also a factor. If the reports are to believed, then Venebles at a very young age was exposed regually to domestic violence, Pornography and violent video's.

I remember one report from his Initial trial where the boys were questioned and there was no doubt In some experts eyes that they knew right from wrong and knew the evil of leading that baby away from his mother.

The reason I believe there will be a hush hush trial for his latest offences Is that this has happened at a sensitive time. We are a few months away from an election and quite rightly, the public are asking questions as to why he was released as a hormonal teen after just 8 years re-hab. The fact that he has allegedly been found with catagory 4 child porn goes against all those so called experts and the Home Secretary of the time who deemed him safe to live back In society when he was clearly not.

This could turn the whole thinking of re-hab on It's head. People stand to lose jobs and the Government Is being questioned. There may have to be a whole re-thinking of the re-hab theory.

Another aspect, Is that as the election looms, folk may be looking to a Far Right Party who would have gassed him In an Instance. That Is the Governments worry here... That folk will see how pathetic they are at dealing with crime and vote for the BNP.

If his latest crimes are truely horrific and are made public... there will be a public out-cry at a very crucial time for the Government.


Well I'm afraid the course of action had been set upon the murderers release. Like a bullet being fired and expecting it will stop inches from the barrel.

Selecting a jury that will not know who's on trial at the same time the press not getting their greedy little hands on this will be one for the record books.

Shipping the entire courtroom to Australia would be at least somewhat feasible.

K.Snyder;1298906 wrote: Well I'm afraid the course of action had been set upon the murderers release. Like a bullet being fired and expecting it will stop inches from the barrel.

Selecting a jury that will not know who's on trial at the same time the press not getting their greedy little hands on this will be one for the record books.

Shipping the entire courtroom to Australia would be at least somewhat feasible.


Excellent Analogy Kev.

I agree... The chances of any Jury not knowing who he Is and his previous murder of a baby Is going to be hard to find even If he Is under a new name.

There again, Under a new name, he will not get any favours by Judge and Jury.

I tend to believe there will be no trial by Jury... It may be done behind closed doors by the Parole board.

He doesn't NEED a trial to be incarcerated for life...............again.

Bruv;1298914 wrote: He doesn't NEED a trial to be incarcerated for life...............again. You are right but he still has to answer to the charges. He has taken on the Human Rights Lawyer so he must be looking at some kind of trial by the Parole board.

He can not just be Imprisoned for life... Some-one, Some-where has to deem that he broke his License and there will have to be a hearing.

We don't have a system here where you can be sent back to prison on the say so of the Police without a hearing.

Put him In with Huntley.

oscar;1298111 wrote: As far as I am aware... No.

I watch a programme on Sky late at night and I think It's called 'America's Hardest' and It goes Inside some of your toughest prisons. I have seen many of your Prisons where Blacks, Cubans, Hispanics etc are segregated. Why do they do this Kev? Does this not It'self lead to the gang culture?

Here, the only one's who are segregated are child killers and Peadophiles, also possibly rapists and other sex offenders. The British Inmates are know for dishing out their own justice in these cases and why Venebles no doubt, needs the security. Frankly, I wouldn't segregate them. Much more fun to stick them In with the old lags and then run a book on how long they will last.


Unfortunately, Oscar, it is fairly well known that there are some so-called sex offenders who are innocent and have been framed for various reasons, e.g. a rapist, who has been 'set up' because the girl had sex with him but was scared her parents would find out that she was 'sleeping around', or perhaps her boyfriend would find out that she was two-timing him. Those men have been labelled for life, and they are innocent. Of course it also happens with non sex offenders, that they are not guilty but are behind bars. A friend of ours, who is a criminal law solicitor, said that if all the people jailed when in fact they were innocent, were released, there would not be a problem with spaces in our jails !

With this in mind, I would never say dispense with the segregation of sex offenders from other inmates.

G#Gill;1298920 wrote: Unfortunately, Oscar, it is fairly well known that there are some so-called sex offenders who are innocent and have been framed for various reasons, e.g. a rapist, who has been 'set up' because the girl had sex with him but was scared her parents would find out that she was 'sleeping around', or perhaps her boyfriend would find out that she was two-timing him. Those men have been labelled for life, and they are innocent. Of course it also happens with non sex offenders, that they are not guilty but are behind bars. A friend of ours, who is a criminal law solicitor, said that if all the people jailed when in fact they were innocent, were released, there would not be a problem with spaces in our jails !

With this in mind, I would never say dispense with the segregation of sex offenders from other inmates.
I'm totally In Agreement with you. I knowonly too well how the rules are bent and how Corrupt Police Officers can make It up as they go along and If nessessary, Lie Under oath In the blink of an eye.

Those Officers are scum and need to be Inside with the peado's.

I have no doubt what-so-ever that false rape claims have seen Innocent men go to prison... Your quite right.