Hypocritical Native Americans

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:12 pm

It's all clear to me now:

Birthday:

April 30, 1986

This is rainbowsmiles birthday. I knew everything there was to know about everything at that age, too. Then I realized there was a lot more grey to the world than the strict black-and-white that I saw things in. I grew up, I opened my mind and my ears once in a while and discovered that I didn't know sh!t. It's a tough transition sometimes, realizing that you don't know everything, (and sometimes ANYTHING) but it's a lesson that we all have to go through. She's just not there yet.

I have no desire, or patience to try and convince anyone of anything about my heritage. Some people just don't want to accept another's word, which is fine. Like I said, I know where I come from.

Sometimes there is just no reasoning with anyone. That's why I rarely try. I tend to lose my temper and things get ugly.

rainbowsmiles · Post by **rainbowsmiles** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:19 pm

What? Your bothered by the fact that at 19 I know more than you... and your what? 40? 50? 60? You should be embarrassed that I know more about your heritage than you do and that I appreciate the Native people of this country and understand most of them better than you do! A person who claims to be proud of her heritage but is unwilling to discover her true roots and associate with her tribe but instead chooses to disrespect an entire race on a public forum just because of a few bad apples she's come in contact with.

Well, if all my rantings here make me an arrogant and immature child... Thats wonderful! I'd certainly rather be me than someone who isn't educated enough to have a mature conversation about the real issues at hand here!

Have a good life running from yourself!

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:44 pm

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:55 pm

Accountable wrote: stop
Not much chance of that, Acc. When children get an idea in their heads, it's often very difficult, if not downright impossible to get them to change their minds until they learn a few things. Manners, respect, tolerance, humility, composure; they're all learned through experience and time. It just takes some longer than others, as we've seen here.

cars · Post by **cars** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:33 pm

BabyRider wrote: It's all clear to me now:

Birthday:

April 30, 1986

This is rainbowsmiles birthday. I knew everything there was to know about everything at that age, too. Then I realized there was a lot more grey to the world than the strict black-and-white that I saw things in. I grew up, I opened my mind and my ears once in a while and discovered that I didn't know sh!t. It's a tough transition sometimes, realizing that you don't know everything, (and sometimes ANYTHING) but it's a lesson that we all have to go through. She's just not there yet.

I have no desire, or patience to try and convince anyone of anything about my heritage. Some people just don't want to accept another's word, which is fine. Like I said, I know where I come from.

Sometimes there is just no reasoning with anyone. That's why I rarely try. I tend to lose my temper and things get ugly.

Rain-

One of my quotes from another post:

It's what you learn after you know it all that counts!!!

(Reading your posts, I'm sure this is too deep for you to grasp)

I hate to admit it, but I have to agree with Far. You have not lived long enough to be as all knowing is you think you are!

Where you are, Baby Rider was, where she is, you still have to get!!! :-2

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:04 pm

Accountable wrote: Wow. I guess my first impressions were wrong.

Rainbow, if you'll kindly look behind you you'll see my line you just crossed. You take a line out of context and make a conclusion, then you demonstrate your prejudice with the next sentence.

You're a bigot. I don't try to reason with bigots.

I saw her bigotry in her first few posts.

I have said my say on the matter.

But I do have one little small question for rainbowfrowns:

I might have missed it, but just how much indian do you claim to have in your blood line?

I sorta have this hunch you are a wanna be indian.........Which strikes me weird in your attack on baby.........

She states her point that the majority of the indians I know. They support and feel the same way too.

So miss 19 yr old, smarter than the rest of the world, maybe you need to pull your head outa your arse and smell the real world before you start slamming a REAL native American like Baby..........

I quit with you here and now.

rainbowsmiles · Post by **rainbowsmiles** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:07 pm

Quit hanging on to your Token friends BTS... how many do you know? All of two! :wah:

I know it must hurt that I have my youth and you all are dragging ass over the hill! And I still have more knowledge than you all! OUCH!

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:08 pm

rainbowsmiles wrote: Quit hanging on to your Token friends BTS... how many do you know? All of two! :wah:

I know it must hurt that I have my youth and you all are dragging ass over the hill! And I still have more knowledge than you all! OUCH!

rainbowwannabe

Name fits right nice

The real indians I know would run you out of their rancheria.

cars · Post by **cars** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:17 pm

BTS wrote: I saw her bigotry in her first few posts.

I have said my say on the matter.

But I do have one little small question for rainbowfrowns:

I might have missed it, but just how much indian do you claim to have in your blood line?

I sorta have this hunch you are a wanna be indian.........Which strikes me weird in your attack on baby.........

She states her point that the majority of the indians I know. They support and feel the same way too.

So miss 19 yr old, smarter than the rest of the world, maybe you need to pull your head outa your arse and smell the real world before you start slamming a REAL native American like Baby..........

I quit with you here and now.

I thinkin Rain's not part Indian, she's more like part TROLL!!! :wah:

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:18 pm

rainbowsmiles wrote: And I still have more knowledge than you all!
I just spewed coffee out of my nose reading this and laughing my ass off!! Had to get the windex and clean my screen! If THAT doesn't prove what I've been saying, nothing will.

Thanks for the best laugh I've had all day rainbow!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:23 pm

Accountable wrote: stop

You stop !

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:24 pm

BabyRider wrote: I just spewed coffee out of my nose reading this and laughing my ass off!! Had to get the windex and clean my screen! If THAT doesn't prove what I've been saying, nothing will.

Thanks for the best laugh I've had all day rainbow!
I'm sure she just couldn't find the smiley with its tongue in its cheek. That has to be it. :wah:

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:28 pm

cars wrote: I thinkin Rain's not part Indian, she's more like part TROLL!!! :wah:
:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

It's beginning to look that way...

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:29 pm

Ok theres a bunch of Indians but no cowboys

I want to be the cowboy ! :-6

With a horsey !

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:35 pm

Nomad wrote:

With a horsey !

Here ya go, Nomad...

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:39 pm

What are you doing to the horse ?

For the love of Jesus Joseph & Mary & all that is good in heaven !

Didnt your parents ever tell you its not nice to beat horses ?

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:45 pm

From babyrider ?

ya right ! :rolleyes:

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:53 pm

Nomad wrote: From babyrider ?

ya right ! :rolleyes:
HAHAHA!!! That's great!

Actually the smiley is "Beating a dead horse" which is exactly how I feel about trying to make people see reason, or be polite, or even nice....

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:57 pm

Im just smiling at that :-6 *sigh*

Let it go baby....let it go

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:21 pm

Far Rider wrote: I think your nice BR

Aww shucks... :yh_blush Thanks Far! xx

cars · Post by **cars** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:36 pm

Far Rider wrote: I think your nice BR

We all know she's nice, that's why we jump on whomever (in this case an adolescent) would flame her!!! (I know BR you can take care of yourself, but us "good" Gardners stick together)

(Jives you're quite the pot sterrer!)

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:58 am

WOW! When BabyRider gets involved in a thread, you can bet it's gonna be interesting!

Let me post one more time and clarify a couple of thinggs:

1. I respect Native Americans and their culture, all of my friends are Native and I was raised with them. (I can even speak some Navajo)

2. I DO NOT respect their tribal governments that refuse to release DWI information to the state, thereby increasing the DWI death rate.

3. I am appalled that Native Americans, who dominate my local paper with DWIs, would choose to ignore a law passed by our state to help this problem. (The ignition interlock law) To me, that is crimininally irresponsible.

4. This thread was not meant to be a debate on whether Native Americans had a hard time in the past, or to cast aspersons on their culture, it was meant to create an awareness of what I see as a despicable apathy to a terrible problem by a distinct group of people. I was hoping to get some of them to admit there even was a problem. At the very least, start a dialogue about a topic that is difficult to talk about without devolving to racism and name-calling, but a topic that is desperate and timely, and seriously needs to be talked about.

From BR's point of view, (and thanks for that amazing post, BR, you are your usual eloquent self!) I see that I have made a little impact.

From Rainbow's point of view, I see that I have failed miserably, and that some people will continue to ignore this problem while families die on the highways.

Well...I guess that's about as much as I can do. That's what forums are for, to talk about things, sometimes uncomfortable and volitile things.

My congratulations to all who passionately defended their position, which ever side you were on, and remember, at the end of the day, we are all still

ForumGardners!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:22 pm

Well said Chives !